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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed.


This goes for other players too. -The_Templar
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 31 2016 17:05 GMT
#461
On February 01 2016 02:04 Shield wrote:
Slight offtopic, was savior in jail? I missed all the news after he was caught matchfixing.


Public service and probation, no actual jail time
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 31 2016 17:05 GMT
#462
On February 01 2016 01:58 Solar424 wrote:
mfw
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liffuuuuuuu
rip passion
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16008 Posts
January 31 2016 17:08 GMT
#463
And this guy denied TaeJa his blizzcon victory...
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Orr
Profile Joined February 2014
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-31 18:25:56
January 31 2016 17:08 GMT
#464
On February 01 2016 00:36 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 22:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 31 2016 22:38 Grizvok wrote:
On January 31 2016 22:21 jeeeKyyy wrote:
To be honest, it doesnt matter how much money Life makes/made. Lately there have been some match-fixing problems even among top 10 tenis players and hell, they make a lot of money.


I would love to see a link to something implicating a current top 10 men or women's player. This is completely false information. Way to sensationalize something completely untrue.


He didn't say that the top ten tennis players are fixing matches, but several top players (including Novak) have explicitly stepped forward to say that they have been approached and offered money to throw matches: http://www.si.com/tennis/2016/01/18/novak-djokovic-offered-money-match-fixing
That's not the same as actually doing it, and jeeeKyyy didn't say they fixed matches. His point was that athletes can and will be given such offers, regardless of how successful they are.


Well, during the latest rumours regarding fixed matches in tennis, it was mentioned that 'players with multiple Grand Slam victories' were suspected. So far no proof ofc, but still...


Correct to an extent. But need to understand the issues much deeper before throwing around important terms without proper context. The player in question was Hewit (multiple sources easily decoded the long numerical code names for all suspected players in a matter of hours), and another follow-up piece that randomly analyzed 8 of his 15 matches in question, found lots of evidence to suggest that because of his up and down injury history and inconsistent play, that certain initial betting lines had been weighted incorrectly, and were quickly corrected, which triggered the match-fixing computer algorithms.

There is clearly lots of corruption in tennis, as in all other sports. But as this demonstrated, simply using a computer algorithm alone is an entirely incomplete and inconclusive science. The suspicious betting for the aforementioned also all occurred after his rather fluky grand slam victories in 2001 and 2002 (total down years in tennis when the men's game was really weak and diluted after Sampras, and before the rise of Federer and Nadal). His career was very inconsistent afterwards due to injuries, ineffectiveness, and largely not being as talented as the new breed of his peers.

Comparing him to Life is absurd. The tennis player most analogous to Life would probably be some mixture of Nadal (back in his prime and now Djoker). Not the perfect ground-strokes and ballet movement of Federer, but the sheer force of will and endless energy to bludgeon you into the dust. The mixture of Nadal/Djoker would also likely be the greatest of all-time. Which is worlds different than Hewitt who no one ever confused as being particularly special even during his peak in the early 2000s (him and Roddick were recognized by non-fanboys at the time as mere placeholders). For someone along the lines of Federer/Nadal/Djoker/Serena (for these are the comparables to Life) to engage in illicit behavior against their sport, the ramifications would be seismic and landscape altering. For these champions are not only very wealthy, but trying their hardest to secure their place in history as the greatest ever (something Life is widely considered to already be in SC2).

It's become common knowledge in recent years that being a professional tennis player is hardly profitable. It's widely estimated that only the top 150 or so on both the men's and women's tour net any profit after all their expenses. Estimates generally place the percentage of tennis pros coming out ahead at 2-3% overall. Which in SC2 terms can be viewed roughly as the 2.67% of global users in Masters/GM (http://nios.kr/sc2/global/1v1/hots/). The critical caveat for this analogy, being that only the top 25 or so on KR GM are winning all the major tournaments and receiving all the big endorsements.

I think that starcraft and tennis are very good comparisons despite their obvious differences. Since both are largely individual sports. Which make cheating (namely betting and match-fixing) extremely tempting and easy to do. Especially in light of the hugely CEO-like prize/endorsement structure where only those at the absolute top reap the lavish profits, while everyone else scratches and claws for whatever is left as it trickles down.
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3126 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 05:36:09
January 31 2016 17:12 GMT
#465
Dadgummit, I've had really bad luck cheering for players in SC2 so far. In BW, I had Stork and Jangbi, two upstanding gents who hung around forever...but in SC2, as soon as I start cheering for someone they retire...and then this.

What I'm saying is, this is totally my fault, guys. I promise to stop joining fan clubs on TL.
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-31 17:14:00
January 31 2016 17:13 GMT
#466
On February 01 2016 02:08 Charoisaur wrote:
And this guy denied TaeJa his blizzcon victory...


I'm confused...are you seriously sad about the fact that Life didn't throw those games, too? O.o
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
jpg06051992
Profile Joined July 2015
United States580 Posts
January 31 2016 17:14 GMT
#467
Amazing how greedy you can be at the top of the food chain even, Life is without a doubt in the top 0.1% of pay in the entire scene, literally the poster child for high level Korean Starcraft.

And it still wasn't enough, still needed more money.

I was a gigantic fanboy until I saw this, I know how Asian law works, they don't arrest you until they pretty much got your ass on lock down with a conviction, Life is done.
"SO MANY BANELINGS!"
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-31 17:17:28
January 31 2016 17:17 GMT
#468
If he really did that and he's found guilty I'll be done with pro starcraft.
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MRSA_SC2
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany19 Posts
January 31 2016 17:17 GMT
#469
People keep forgetting all the legal money he earned as a minor was on parents-watch.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1082 Posts
January 31 2016 17:18 GMT
#470
Hrmm is he going to Kespa-Jail or to real Jail?
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Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
January 31 2016 17:19 GMT
#471
On February 01 2016 02:17 MRSA_SC2 wrote:
People keep forgetting all the legal money he earned as a minor was on parents-watch.

Yeah, doesn't that mean that he pretty much can't spend it?
Yet people are saying that he threw his winnings away whimsically.
Anyone can explain?
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
EatingBomber
Profile Joined August 2015
1017 Posts
January 31 2016 17:21 GMT
#472
MODS: Is it appropriate to bust out some ded gaem memes?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24234 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-31 17:23:00
January 31 2016 17:22 GMT
#473
On February 01 2016 02:21 EatingBomber wrote:
MODS: Is it appropriate to bust out some ded gaem memes?

if you want to get banned this the perfect idea
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
January 31 2016 17:28 GMT
#474
On February 01 2016 02:21 EatingBomber wrote:
MODS: Is it appropriate to bust out some ded gaem memes?


That is one of the stupidest questions I've read in recent times
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KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
January 31 2016 17:29 GMT
#475
Dang.... I don't even know what to say, so disappointing.
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Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
January 31 2016 17:38 GMT
#476
On February 01 2016 00:39 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 00:35 Penev wrote:
On February 01 2016 00:31 Silvana wrote:
I find this reading very on point:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1so8nbh

Give it a look guys.

Well put. I'd like to add that even though it's looking really grim for Life it's still not yet 100% certain.

There is major difference between the fields which suffered scandals and live on healthily and SC2 though


If you believe most people on these boards Korean SC2 was already dead and buried weeks ago, so this doesn't make much difference anyway.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
January 31 2016 17:38 GMT
#477
Life....always finding ways to fuck you. I hope his games don't include some of the higher levels of competition. Would be a shame if he could have coasted through a ton of tournies but he lost some on purpose to increase betting odds.

TaeJa, stay pure.
Koivusto
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Finland542 Posts
January 31 2016 17:38 GMT
#478
On February 01 2016 02:28 KadaverBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 02:21 EatingBomber wrote:
MODS: Is it appropriate to bust out some ded gaem memes?


That is one of the stupidest questions I've read in recent times

But I'm kinda interested what kind of memes the guy has to offer :O
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
January 31 2016 17:40 GMT
#479
On February 01 2016 02:38 Koivusto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 02:28 KadaverBB wrote:
On February 01 2016 02:21 EatingBomber wrote:
MODS: Is it appropriate to bust out some ded gaem memes?


That is one of the stupidest questions I've read in recent times

But I'm kinda interested what kind of memes the guy has to offer :O


Consider this thread "No Meme's Land"
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 31 2016 17:41 GMT
#480
What a scandal - Life was the GOAT too. At least Yoda and Prime were seen as fringe players (Yoda had some good runs, but wasn't really a big star)

It's like if we found out that Michael Jordan had been using steroids / match-fixing. After Lance Armstrong, cycling interest in the USA still hasn't recovered
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