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We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.
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On January 30 2016 04:09 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected. Y'know what? That makes a lot of sense.
Not really. I can't remember his other matches at Blizzcon but he beat INno because INno played like a complete doofus. His run could have easily stopped in the ro8
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On January 30 2016 04:09 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected. Y'know what? That makes a lot of sense.
It makes no sens at all lol. So every good player is always at the stop and can't come back after they have a moment down ?
Like why don't you go and say that MVP vs Adelscott was in TSL3 was a fixed game. Jeez people.
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Well, let's not speculate now - patience and hoping for the best is all we can do.
Let's not smear anyone's reputation
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On January 30 2016 04:06 TheCzarOfAll wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 04:03 Bagration wrote:On January 30 2016 03:58 Shield wrote:On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case. So if a thief burgles a house, would you stop living in this world? What kind of logic is that to stop sc2 for just one guy? Quitting SC2 and quitting life are very very different It's not a rational thing - sports fandom is very emotional. When you get heartbroken like that, sometimes it's best to take a break I don't know, man. If houses in my neighborhood were getting burgled every few weeks (as in bets getting voided on Pinnacle), I'd probably consider moving.
To be fair there's a pretty good analysis about the recent Tennis controversy about all the reasons fishy betting doesn't mean match fixing is the cause: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-betting-data-alone-cant-identify-match-fixers-in-tennis/
Of course it has a link to the infamous Davydenko match where the betting was so fishy that people did go on the record saying it must have been fixed despite lack of corroborating evidence. So don't get me wrong, I'm just saying it's not as concrete as conventional wisdom around here has been saying.
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On January 30 2016 03:58 Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case. So if a thief burgles a house, would you stop living in this world? What kind of logic is that to stop sc2 for just one guy?
this the silliest comparison ive ever heard. i give you 5/7
my sc2 interest sloped off when idra retired, i know fully what that guy meant
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On January 30 2016 04:15 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 04:09 ErectedZenith wrote:On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected. Y'know what? That makes a lot of sense. It makes no sens at all lol. So every good player is always at the stop and can't come back after they have a moment down ? Like why don't you go and say that MVP vs Adelscott was in TSL3 was a fixed game. Jeez people. No one is saying player can't go into slumps. No one was even suspicious of Life at all last season because of that fact. All I'm saying is in light of today's news, I would not be surprised if it is for SPL games from last season. Again we give life the benefit of the doubt I'm just saying there is some smoke here.
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On January 30 2016 04:10 hachicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 03:56 neurego7647 wrote:On January 30 2016 03:54 ilikeredheads wrote: wait a minute? was he arrested or brought in for questioning? because those are completely different things. He got arrested with warrant Source? And direct translation please since you're Korean. I don't really see that mentioned :/
한국(Korea)e스포츠(Sports)협회(Association)(=KeSPA), 프로게이머(Pro-gamer) 이승현(Lee Seunghyun=Life) 체포 (Arrest) 관련(related) 입장(Statement) 발표(Announce)
This sentence is title of offical statement of KeSPA which is announced to media. If Life is just brought in for questioning, we use the term 소환 조사, 소환(summoning) 조사(investigation)
Summon to 소환 is general translation used in fantasy games. yes that's right, Magic
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Reading the comments, people don't seem to realize that Life is just another young boy (with great skillz). He wouldnt be the first nor the last to be stuck in a stupid money story. Hopefully we still get to see him.
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I'm not toooooo worried, I mean Life makes enough money already, so the chances of the allegations coming true are much slimmer than in the case of B-teamers or ex-Prime players.
If anything, Life was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, the zero tolerance policy of Kespa is gunna hurt Life no matter what.
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On January 30 2016 04:19 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 04:06 TheCzarOfAll wrote:On January 30 2016 04:03 Bagration wrote:On January 30 2016 03:58 Shield wrote:On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case. So if a thief burgles a house, would you stop living in this world? What kind of logic is that to stop sc2 for just one guy? Quitting SC2 and quitting life are very very different It's not a rational thing - sports fandom is very emotional. When you get heartbroken like that, sometimes it's best to take a break I don't know, man. If houses in my neighborhood were getting burgled every few weeks (as in bets getting voided on Pinnacle), I'd probably consider moving. To be fair there's a pretty good analysis about the recent Tennis controversy about all the reasons fishy betting doesn't mean match fixing is the cause: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-betting-data-alone-cant-identify-match-fixers-in-tennis/Of course it has a link to the infamous Davydenko match where the betting was so fishy that people did go on the record saying it must have been fixed despite lack of corroborating evidence. So don't get me wrong, I'm just saying it's not as concrete as conventional wisdom around here has been saying.
But to keep the comparison going, even if it isn't straight up burglary that's causing things to go missing from these houses, it's still indicative of some other problem that may be less serious, but is still a problem. Moving could be an ok precautionary measure to take if you think the benefits outweigh the costs of moving. At this point, I'm way too invested to leave regardless of the outcome, but I'd prefer to be in a somewhat teeming community as opposed to an empty neighborhood.
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On January 30 2016 04:25 EngrishTeacher wrote: I'm not toooooo worried, I mean Life makes enough money already, so the chances of the allegations coming true are much slimmer than in the case of B-teamers or ex-Prime players.
If history is anything to go by, how much money a player is making/made has little to do with the likelihood of the player being involved in matchmaking.
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On January 30 2016 03:35 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 02:34 Sapphire.lux wrote:On January 30 2016 02:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 30 2016 02:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: Oh dear God, this is not good... I sincerely hope it turns out he did nothing wrong. I'm going to leave it at this as well. No need to speculate until more information is gathered. That's why we're here though :p Wolf's comment is important though. There have no doubt been other cases of investigation where the players were cleared, but did not become public. This one did, apparently because an explanation was needed for SPL. But being detained, boy, it does not look good at all. I'm not familiar with Korean low but this usually means there is significant evidence on the table. Wolf's done quite the 180 since his drunken stream about the list of match fixers and the names that will shock you! Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:49 NEEDZMOAR wrote:On January 30 2016 01:32 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:28 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:26 jalstar wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote: [quote] bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal. I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more. whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in out of curiousity apart from the first matchfixing what else has he been a source for? Rekrul broke the story that Catz was too busy with a groupie to play against JulyZerg and that's why he was DQ-ed after Catz tried to make it out as MLG having stupid rules lol. Does that count as important news? More pertinently, Rekrul was pretty wrong about the disbanding of TSL but he posted about that too (iirc he seemed to just repeat what the disgruntled players were saying rather than actually knowing what really happened). So he still has contacts with people in SC2, but if they're still meaningful, I don't know.
Rekrul is a boss with friends/connections in many facets of eSports. He rarely says shit... but when he does, my advice would be to listen.
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On January 30 2016 04:23 neurego7647 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 04:10 hachicken wrote:On January 30 2016 03:56 neurego7647 wrote:On January 30 2016 03:54 ilikeredheads wrote: wait a minute? was he arrested or brought in for questioning? because those are completely different things. He got arrested with warrant Source? And direct translation please since you're Korean. I don't really see that mentioned :/ 한국(Korea)e스포츠(Sports)협회(Association)(=KeSPA), 프로게이머(Pro-gamer) 이승현(Lee Seunghyun=Life) 체포 (Arrest) 관련(related) 입장(Statement) 발표(Announce) This sentence is title of offical statement of KeSPA which is announced to media. If Life is just brought in for questioning, we use the term 소환 조사, 소환(summoning) 조사(investigation) Summon to 소환 is general translation used in fantasy games. yes that's right, Magic
Ah right, thanks for clearing that up.
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This is a bad day for Life and for korean esports. No matter, what this turns into, big damage is already done (again),i fear.
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On January 30 2016 04:15 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 04:09 ErectedZenith wrote:On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected. Y'know what? That makes a lot of sense. It makes no sens at all lol. So every good player is always at the stop and can't come back after they have a moment down ? Like why don't you go and say that MVP vs Adelscott was in TSL3 was a fixed game. Jeez people. Because everyone knows Adelscott is a god.
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On January 30 2016 04:25 EngrishTeacher wrote: I'm not toooooo worried, I mean Life makes enough money already, so the chances of the allegations coming true are much slimmer than in the case of B-teamers or ex-Prime players.
If anything, Life was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, the zero tolerance policy of Kespa is gunna hurt Life no matter what.
one wonders what would have happened had Idra gg-ed out of a game where he had a clear lead under Kespa's suspicious eye?
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Nooooooooo! I deeply hope he is not involved in any bad shits...
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Just a small reminder,
Now it is 4:55 AM in Korea, so if you are checking this thread for some news, you need to wait at least 4 hours.
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Yo Rekrul, go sneak that shit.
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On January 30 2016 03:01 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 02:46 opisska wrote:On January 30 2016 02:40 goody153 wrote:On January 30 2016 02:34 Incognoto wrote: It would be so hilarious if they were questioning him about his match vs Lilbow though.
I am still hopeful. I do not think that Life would throw a match. What match would that have even been, had he done so? It just doesn't add up. it's really weird since he's prolly the most successful sc2 player history so it;s hard to believe (of course it's not yet confirmed) The only problem with this logic is that saviOr was in a very similiar position in BW - in his time he was surely the greatest zerg to date. I am only now getting a remote idea how much of a shock that revelation must have been for BW fans back then, because it just does not make sense, for exactly the same reasons why Life matchfixing wouldn't. But I still believe this is just a regular police work randomly blown out of proportions for some procedural reasons. Uhm i didn't follow bw that time but i've read from some article here i can't remember which one stating that he was losing his form like before he was caught matchfixing. Like he was not the best anymore, maybe still good but not good enough. There's also JD in bw too who's probably bigger than him, so yeah it's the same in a sense but a bit different cause life may literally be the best zerg of sc2 ever. savior was really bad when he got arrested and had been mediocre at best for over a year before that
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