EPTThe Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 3 - Page 8
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Tryxtira
Sweden572 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
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mrhobbers
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nimdil
Poland3775 Posts
On January 11 2016 06:24 Tryxtira wrote: To me, you cannot have a player at the top of this list who has never done anything in Korea. It just doesn't count then imo. It would be very interested to have a write-up on how the writers evaluated the whole Korea vs The World thing. To me personally I just think Korea trumps most things. Which is why I disagree with Nani being behind Stephano and why I disagree with Jinro being so low. Stephano had 6-5 result in Korea in Proleague. By comparison: ThorZaIN is 1-4, Snute 0-2, HuK 0-3. His percentage at 55% is sadly the highest for the whole EG-Liquid with HerO coming 2nd with 51% and Oz 3rd with 50%. | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
On January 11 2016 04:47 nimdil wrote: I'm not entirely sure that it's fair to compare eras. If someone was best foreigner early in WoL it should be as much of an accomplishment as it was 3 years later because otherwise you're dragged down by playing in the wrong moment of time. There's no harder or easier era of any game - you can only be compared to your contemporary peers. There is definitely a difference, considering that the level of play and knowledge of the game was abysmal compared to today. It allowed for a much more even playing field. Everyone was in the same boat, learning as they went. As time went on the meta crystallized, the required mechanics sky-rocketed, and players that became truly skilled stood out. The rest fell behind, which is why foreigners had less and less of a chance doing well in Korea. To some extent you can only be compared to your contemporaries, but early WoL is unique in this sense. Late WoL is comparatively much closer to LotV in terms of mechanics and knowledge of the game than early WoL is, by a long shot. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18017 Posts
gratz to Naniwa and to TL for being pretty objective. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On January 09 2016 04:54 beheamoth wrote: nope. Idra LOL | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Top 5 are still Stephano Nani Huk Jinro and Idra. You're not top anything if you have never even qualified for a GSL or haven't had a complete and undisputed dominance in the west. Nobody is counted as the greatest of all time for "consistency" in getting top 8s and top 4s in IEMs and Dreamhacks. | ||
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
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Madars
Latvia166 Posts
Going by WCS points: 1) Lilbow 3625 2) Snute 2050 3) Bunny 2025 4) MaNa 1775 5) TLO 1550 | ||
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Foncy
Germany16 Posts
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Befree
695 Posts
Stephano was certainly the best and on his own level. But behind him, I can really only see HuK, Jinro, Scarlett, and Idra (maybe Naniwa too if I weren't so biased against his personality :p). They went above and beyond being simply foreign tournament heroes. I just feel these rankings puts too much emphasis on our random overhyped foreign tournaments, and not enough on actual competitiveness with Koreans. I think it's too heavily influenced by bias and a culmination of delusions we've kept up over the years. | ||
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Atrimex
193 Posts
On January 09 2016 05:25 Xoronius wrote: Also I'd like to add GoOdy to list list of people, who got robbed: The guy had won more tournaments than Stephano and Naniwa combined, he should be an obvious pick for number 1. At least his contribution to make SC2 popular is underrated. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/482944-the-process-of-creating-the-top-15-greatest-list | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
The thing I liked most about Stephano is that he hardly ever got visibly nervous. Didn't give a fuck and just tried to play his A-game in any circumstance. This is the only way to become a true champion. Maybe Naniwa had more raw skill and dedication, but he has a hard time keeping his cool. Snute on 3 is a suprise to me. Maybe I underrated him. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10890 Posts
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JAG.war
United States76 Posts
Does anyone have that game where Scarlett last-minute off-races in a major tournament and wins? That was epic! | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 12 2016 10:00 JAG.war wrote: Great article, thanks for the memories. Does anyone have that game where Scarlett last-minute off-races in a major tournament and wins? That was epic! + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
On January 12 2016 10:00 JAG.war wrote: Great article, thanks for the memories. Does anyone have that game where Scarlett last-minute off-races in a major tournament and wins? That was epic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrJ9lGuvi9A protoss bullshit at its best  | ||
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
WoL was pretty different compared to HotS, but also the 1st period of WoL with the late WoL, like two different games for some aspects. In each "era", each player can be compared with another player in the same era. For Example in early WoL, White Ra was one of the best players, thanks to his special tactics too, no joke. In that era for example, tactics were more important than mechanics. So White Ra was one the best in "that" more tactic game. Sjow also, in the same era he was one of the strongest players, because of his solid strategies and gamesense. And remember TLO plays and Socke micro, and other players. Then, maps and balance changed all the game over the months and years. Sill will change again. The aritcle sitll is interesting, but it has not an "absolute" value, it's an opinion, and maybe a bit based on the last results more than past results, but doesn't matter. In my opinion Stephano is the number one, not only for what he won, but also because in his "era" he could win against any players, and Naniwa follows of course. They impressed me more than all the other players. | ||
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