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The Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 1 - Page 2

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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 17:22:34
December 24 2015 17:21 GMT
#21
Stephano should be first and second at the same time, that's how much better he was

Edit : Like Day 1 Stephano is #1 and Drunk/Hangover/Day2 Stephano is #2
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SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
December 24 2015 17:22 GMT
#22
On December 25 2015 02:01 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 01:58 oGoZenob wrote:
If stephano isn't top 1 I'll riot
I'd say a top 3 stephano/naniwa/scarlett as those who had the most impact on the game


Snute over Scarlett.


I think it is a hard call between the two, I always feel that Scarlett had the highest peak of any foreign player, Snute was and still is quite good, but Scarlett showed complete domination of even high level Korean players. It still makes me sad to think what her results would have been with just a bit more luck, with a 14 pool instead of hatch first it is likely she would have won WCS NA 2013 over polt, similarly her losses to bomber wcs finals 2013, sOs at redbull, and Trap at MLG were heartbreakingly close. With just a few more wins Scarlett could possibly have been considered the best foreigner of all time, certainly overtaking Naniwa.......

lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 24 2015 17:23 GMT
#23
jinro's gsl ro4 was probably the highest peak skill of any foreigner relative to his time/competition ever, sad it didn't last longer
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Promised_pain
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland61 Posts
December 24 2015 17:23 GMT
#24
1. Avilo
2. Stephano
3. Naniwa

My top 3 guess
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
December 24 2015 17:24 GMT
#25
On December 25 2015 02:01 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 01:58 oGoZenob wrote:
If stephano isn't top 1 I'll riot
I'd say a top 3 stephano/naniwa/scarlett as those who had the most impact on the game


Snute over Scarlett.


Stephano/Nani/HuK/Snute/Scarlett
Sen/Mana/Nerchio/VortiX/IdrA.

Won't be surprised to see likes of Jim in top-10 though, but eh.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16057 Posts
December 24 2015 17:31 GMT
#26
On December 25 2015 02:23 Promised_pain wrote:
1. Avilo
2. Stephano
3. Naniwa

My top 3 guess

Are you serious? Of course it's:
1. Avilo
2. Avilo
3. Avilo
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 17:35:58
December 24 2015 17:35 GMT
#27
On December 25 2015 02:22 SlammerIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 02:01 Hider wrote:
On December 25 2015 01:58 oGoZenob wrote:
If stephano isn't top 1 I'll riot
I'd say a top 3 stephano/naniwa/scarlett as those who had the most impact on the game


Snute over Scarlett.


I think it is a hard call between the two, I always feel that Scarlett had the highest peak of any foreign player, Snute was and still is quite good, but Scarlett showed complete domination of even high level Korean players. It still makes me sad to think what her results would have been with just a bit more luck, with a 14 pool instead of hatch first it is likely she would have won WCS NA 2013 over polt, similarly her losses to bomber wcs finals 2013, sOs at redbull, and Trap at MLG were heartbreakingly close. With just a few more wins Scarlett could possibly have been considered the best foreigner of all time, certainly overtaking Naniwa.......


I'm the biggest Scarlett fan, but Snute just has better overall results. Scarlett has a bad habit of coming so close to winning and then finding some way to not. Like you said, if maybe 5 games in her career had gone the other way she'd be right up there but as it is there's no way you can put her over Snute. Maybe if WCS NA 2012 had counted as a Premier (like EU did) it'd be a more significant result too.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
December 24 2015 17:35 GMT
#28
On December 25 2015 02:31 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 02:23 Promised_pain wrote:
1. Avilo
2. Stephano
3. Naniwa

My top 3 guess

Are you serious? Of course it's:
1. Avilo
2. Avilo
3. Avilo

avilo is first and no one can deny that, so of course it won't appear in that ranking

the first will always be second to the great avilo
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Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore909 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 17:42:27
December 24 2015 17:35 GMT
#29
O come on, the TL writers left out one of Thorzain's achievements again.

He won the 2012 WCS Sweden Nationals, and that was back when Sweden was considered one of the strongest nations outside of korea with players like Thorzain, Naniwa, Sortof, Sase competing. It was so competitive, Naniwa wasn't even in the top 3.

And my predictions for top 5

1. Stephano. No doubt he is the best performing foreigner in SC2 history so far.
2. Snute
3. Naniwa
4. Scarlett
5. Vortix
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
December 24 2015 17:52 GMT
#30
On December 25 2015 01:46 Poopi wrote:
Okay so I guess the obvious #1 is Stephano and the obvious #2 is NaNiwa, I don't know who would be 3rd.


If Scarlett is any worse than 3rd this list is obviously biased.

She has the results and she has them against the top level players.
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RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
December 24 2015 17:56 GMT
#31
I really hate the argument people use of "Well the competition wasn't as fierce back then." Are you kidding? It's not like it was easier to be good back then. Everybody was still on the exact same level playing field and that was a time when a LOT of people were trying to make it in SC2, especially in Korea. There were more players back then than there are now.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 18:05:33
December 24 2015 18:05 GMT
#32
Stephano then Naniwa then Scarlett. If someone else beats Stephano and Nani then lol TL.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 24 2015 18:10 GMT
#33
Oh wow I would have expected Jinro top 5 or something! To me lists like this are about what you did in your era against your peers. Every sport evolves and the level always gets higher, it is not because people are innately more talented or working harder in later eras just because they ended with a higher skillcap, it is the evolution of the game, practice methods, your peers, etc. Props for another awesome article series though, no complaints here just opinions.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 24 2015 18:16 GMT
#34
The MLG Dallas that Jinro won was my first ever e-sports tournament. I remember I had to leave early because technical difficulties delayed the finals, but I was rooting for him all the way. Very fond memories of that, but beyond that and his GSL run later that year, he kind of faded away.

There's really only 4 foreigners that have had careers where they actually did well against Korean competition and those were Scarlett, Snute, Naniwa, and Stephano. Probably in reverse order.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 18:17:49
December 24 2015 18:16 GMT
#35
So my predictions

#1 Stephano
#2 NaNiwa
#3 HuK
#4 IdrA
#5 Scarlett
#6 Sen
#7 Snute
7-10 I dunno. I'm thinking VortiX, MaNa, Nerchio and shit I dunno. I don't think ANY of those 3 should be above Jinro though.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17301 Posts
December 24 2015 18:17 GMT
#36
did HuK play in more seasons of GSL Code S than any other non-Korean?
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RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
December 24 2015 18:18 GMT
#37
On December 25 2015 03:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
did HuK play in more seasons of GSL Code S than any other non-Korean?

Yes
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 24 2015 18:27 GMT
#38
On December 25 2015 03:16 RPR_Tempest wrote:
So my predictions

#1 Stephano
#2 NaNiwa
#3 HuK
#4 IdrA
#5 Scarlett
#6 Sen
#7 Snute
7-10 I dunno. I'm thinking VortiX, MaNa, Nerchio and shit I dunno. I don't think ANY of those 3 should be above Jinro though.

I have the same list as you but with Snute higher, I'd put him as #3. Otherwise, exact same.

I'm still frustrated VortiX stopped SC2 when he was possibly the best foreigner, right after he qualified for IEM without losing a map including wins against koreans.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17301 Posts
December 24 2015 18:27 GMT
#39
Then i vote for HuK as #1.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 24 2015 18:31 GMT
#40
On December 25 2015 02:23 lichter wrote:
jinro's gsl ro4 was probably the highest peak skill of any foreigner relative to his time/competition ever, sad it didn't last longer


Double ro4! Down the road that seems so much more impressive to me now than it did at the time.

Great start to a good showpiece.
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