EPTFezvez's' Co-op guide and hero review - Page 12
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50ShadesOfSenpai
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Laurens
Belgium4553 Posts
On January 07 2016 17:50 50ShadesOfSenpai wrote: Guys what's the fastest way you know of to farm 150 brutal wins? So far I'm just massing DTs with Vorazun on void thrashing, each time I do the mission it takes ~14 minutes. I'm wondering if there are better ways. My quickest win is as Karax on Void Thrashing. It requires a somewhat competent ally. Take expo ASAP and get a good econ. Go for your usual static def upgrades (cannon range etc), and just cannon the 3rd spawn of trashers. You'll clear it whilst your ally is (hopefully) clearing out the 2nd spawn. Use spear of adun to help him if required. Quickly take the optional if you like, then move into the final area. Job done. | ||
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DrSeRRoD
United States490 Posts
On January 07 2016 17:50 50ShadesOfSenpai wrote: Guys what's the fastest way you know of to farm 150 brutal wins? So far I'm just massing DTs with Vorazun on void thrashing, each time I do the mission it takes ~14 minutes. I'm wondering if there are better ways. That's decent time when you consider some maps take 20-30 minutes (especially Temple Defense). With a good and consistent partner/commander combo, you can shave a minute or two of time off, but try to have fun with it as well or grinding 150 boring games can be... brutal.  | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
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Tresher
Germany404 Posts
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DrSeRRoD
United States490 Posts
On January 19 2016 23:08 mantequilla wrote: Is there a quick way to get 5000 units warpin achievement with artanis? The quickest way is to get max gathering and then spam zealots and observers. Higher difficulty is best since you can suicide them into the enemy. You can handle base "defense" and just mass up zealots and throw them at patrol waves to die. You may need some cannons in the base against flyers. As for observers, just send them right across the map to die. This doesn't work with a Vorazun partner though as the obs keep respawning and taking up army count, but HTs will work almost as well to use up the gas. | ||
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Tresher
Germany404 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I got my ass handed to me in hard mode on the temple defense mission as Raynor a few months back. I'd just beaten the campaign on hard. I guess I always wanted to come back and avenge that loss. Vorazun just makes it so easy. Zagara doesn't feel very good. The 100 supply cap means you have to constantly remacro in between fights. And your attacks on offensive missions are frequent, they're a lot weaker. But people here have mentioned you can mineral dump with spine crawlers. | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
On January 25 2016 08:48 obesechicken13 wrote: I listened to all your guys' advice and Vorazun is broken. That Dark Templar dash. That gas fast expand. That Black Hole. I haven't even gotten to the time stop ability yet. I got my ass handed to me in hard mode on the temple defense mission as Raynor a few months back. I'd just beaten the campaign on hard. I guess I always wanted to come back and avenge that loss. Vorazun just makes it so easy. Zagara doesn't feel very good. The 100 supply cap means you have to constantly remacro in between fights. And your attacks on offensive missions are frequent, they're a lot weaker. But people here have mentioned you can mineral dump with spine crawlers. Yeah, Vorazun makes the game a bit too easy About Zagara, it's important to make banelings. Pure lings or abo/lings often suffer terrible losses, and yes, you have to remacro. But banelings are just much much stronger than in multiplayer and allow you to lose much less stuff each fight. | ||
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Malhavoc
Italy308 Posts
It's true that you have to remacro every time. That's why it's vital that you put down around 3 macro hatch with queens, on top of the two bases. That will give you more larva than you'll ever need. Ah, and don't make scourge before researching their cost-lowering upgrade | ||
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
On January 25 2016 23:36 Malhavoc wrote: Lot of banelings and scourge, with some lings, make every Zagara game quite easy. However, Zagara needs some level upgrade to really start rolling. It's true that you have to remacro every time. That's why it's vital that you put down around 3 macro hatch with queens, on top of the two bases. That will give you more larva than you'll ever need. Ah, and don't make scourge before researching their cost-lowering upgrade Interesting. While hitting somewhat decent injects, I nearly never need more than my 2 normal hatcheries. I noticed that when I started making more banelings, I didn't lose as many lings, and didn't need macro hatches. | ||
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Xsyq
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Nazara
United Kingdom235 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
But I don't really know how to play early game for the shuttle mission. Any other mission, I can rush DT and get a few of them by Wave 2, then from there, I defend well enough to get my imba ball rolling, but on the shuttle mission, I have to either rely on my teammate (not reliable, and even a decent ally is unreliable if they are using a commander that can't handle shuttle wave 1) or open somewhere from 5-8 stalkers. I'm OK with this, but it slows my tech down to the point that I feel like I'm playing catchup the entire game. If I build DTs, I can't hit shuttles, and if I build corsairs, I may very well get wiped out. If I build stalkers, I can handle anything, but I'm using a kinda weak comp and delaying my good units. If I build both sairs and DTs, I'm weak in both areas until the late game (where typically, the game is already won) I find the shuttle mission's early game really uncomfortable with Vorazun. Every other map, yeah I agree, she's crazy powerful, though I don't feel she's so far above every other commander that she trivializes the game. She requires so many upgrades to get to the point of crazy OP whereas I feel that commanders like Raynor and Zagara can do more with less. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I'm trying right now to grind up to level 15 but I'm not sure that's necessary. What's the easiest mission on brutal for Vorazun? Shuttles with mass DT Corsair? I kinda wanna improve by playing Brutal but I don't want to cost people a win. | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
- I tell my partner I take care of the first wave (shadow guard) and tell them to take care of the 2nd wave (all heroes can use their spells to easily dispatch the 2nd wave). It's really unfortunate if your ally can't do it though. - Shadow guard on the rocks as soon as you see the red dot appear. Once they kill the rocks, go kill the red dot - I go 14 pylon, 15 gate then 4 gas before cyber core. Nexus immediately after the shadow guards kill the rock - You should have enough time to have either 3 DT or 2 Void Rays (chrono the stargate) by the time the 3rd wave hit. This plus the 8 second CC clears the wave - Then the game diverges from there depending on the map On Void Launch, I believe the first air wave is the 4th. You will have around 4 Void Ray, and using both the 8 second CC on the air wave and shadow guard on the ground wave should be sufficient. On a side note, I find that she trivializes the game because she has the economic explosiveness of Raynor Zagara thanks to her automated refineries (12 "free" workers) combined with incredibly strong units (like Karax/Swann). I won on Lock&Load Brutal with exclusively Blink Stalkers (and Karax as a partner). @obesechicken13 : You are right, stick to Brutal until level 15, even if you have to choose the mission. I personally feel that Void Trashing and Rifts of Korhal are the easiest. The safest way to engage a wave / a base is to let your DT do their omnislash and once they are done, immediately blink back and wait 10 seconds until their omnislash codlin is up again | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
I've started going mass ground. I find if I go sair/DT, I'm spreading myself too thin on upgrades (3 forge upgrades, 2 core upgrades, as well as any fleat beacon/dark shrine/twilight council upgrades that I want). On any other map, that's fine since I can just play it slow and slowly build my way up to a crazy powerful sair/DT combo, but on the shuttle mission, I'm just too pressured to get all the right stuff out on time. I'm liking a ground army of DT/stalker/DA with cannons as my mineral dump. It feels solid, but not as OP as her other compositions. Void Rays are powerful but I don't quite like playing early game with them I'm also learning to be more trigger happy when it comes to my abilities like Time Stop. It's really helpful early game, while in the late game, it's still really good but I'm already overpowered enough that it's not as crucial I think her auto-assimilators are her best feature. She wouldn't be able to get to her OP comps as easily if she didn't get such a head start on her gas collection Note for the people who want to practice Brutal but are afraid of letting down their allies: Don't worry about it. You're my favourite people to play with. You know what you're doing (afterall you find Hard too easy), and you're not quite so good that you trivialize the game. If you want to practice on an easier map, the two that Fezvez suggested are the easiest. I think the temple defense and shuttle mission are the hardest. The rest of the maps are not too bad with Vorazun | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
On February 01 2016 04:54 Purind wrote: Do you mass void rays on Void Launch? I've started going mass ground. I find if I go sair/DT, I'm spreading myself too thin on upgrades (3 forge upgrades, 2 core upgrades, as well as any fleat beacon/dark shrine/twilight council upgrades that I want). On any other map, that's fine since I can just play it slow and slowly build my way up to a crazy powerful sair/DT combo, but on the shuttle mission, I'm just too pressured to get all the right stuff out on time. I'm liking a ground army of DT/stalker/DA with cannons as my mineral dump. It feels solid, but not as OP as her other compositions. Void Rays are powerful but I don't quite like playing early game with them I'm also learning to be more trigger happy when it comes to my abilities like Time Stop. It's really helpful early game, while in the late game, it's still really good but I'm already overpowered enough that it's not as crucial I think her auto-assimilators are her best feature. She wouldn't be able to get to her OP comps as easily if she didn't get such a head start on her gas collection Note for the people who want to practice Brutal but are afraid of letting down their allies: Don't worry about it. You're my favourite people to play with. You know what you're doing (afterall you find Hard too easy), and you're not quite so good that you trivialize the game. If you want to practice on an easier map, the two that Fezvez suggested are the easiest. I think the temple defense and shuttle mission are the hardest. The rest of the maps are not too bad with Vorazun Sorry, I should have said that I don't mass VR, I just open VR because as you said, you spread yourself much less than DT/corsair. VR are anti-ground, anti-air and low tech (no need of fleet beacon unlike corsairs). And I fully agree with your opinion on people who are not too sure on Brutal, but think Hard is too easy | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
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