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If ForGG picked Dayshi because he is afraid of players like uThermal, Welmu, Nerchio or Naniwa, that's a bid sad for ForGG and I doubt that he can win WCS.
That's really sad for Dayshi, he was just starting playing SC2 full time again and obtained some results. I think he would have had a real change versus an other opponent. I hope he won't loose his motivation once again if he loose versus ForGG.
I don't think ForGG is a failure for Millenium, as he was the best player in their team for years, BUT I think Millenium expected him to win way more tournaments in Europe when they recruited him. Remember he was a Code S player when he arrived to Millenium in 2012. He did not play in Europe because they could not perform well anymore in Korea like MvP, MC jjakji, Duckdeock, MMA. He cancelled his code S spot to come and was expected to completely dominate Europe, which he never really did (it took 2 years to win a premier tournament).
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On July 12 2015 23:40 Totorosc2 wrote:
If ForGG picked Dayshi because he is afraid of players like uThermal, Welmu, Nerchio or Naniwa, that's a bid sad for ForGG and I doubt that he can win WCS.
That's really sad for Dayshi, he was just starting playing SC2 full time again and obtained some results. I think he would have had a real change versus an other opponent. I hope he won't loose his motivation once again if he loose versus ForGG.
I don't think ForGG is a failure for Millenium, as he was the best player in their team for years, BUT I think Millenium expected him to win way more tournaments in Europe when they recruited him. Remember he was a Code S player when he arrived to Millenium in 2012. He did not play in Europe because they could not perform well anymore in Korea like MvP, MC jjakji, Duckdeock, MMA. He cancelled his code S spot to come and was expected to completely dominate Europe, which he never really did (it took 2 years to win a premier tournament).
If i remember right, he wasnt alone here, MMA, Mvp and MC were since the first WCS here in Europe too. ForGG is good but against them he had almost no chance. And other tournaments like IEM, DH had Code S level players anyway. It made no difference.
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nanibae got one of the most difficult players in the entirety of the European WCS. Hope he can pull through!
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On July 13 2015 00:52 SharkStarcraft wrote:
nanibae got one of the most difficult players in the entirety of the European WCS. Hope he can pull through!
"Trash player" Tweets incoming?
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On July 12 2015 23:40 Totorosc2 wrote:
If ForGG picked Dayshi because he is afraid of players like uThermal, Welmu, Nerchio or Naniwa, that's a bid sad for ForGG and I doubt that he can win WCS.
That's really sad for Dayshi, he was just starting playing SC2 full time again and obtained some results. I think he would have had a real change versus an other opponent. I hope he won't loose his motivation once again if he loose versus ForGG.
I don't think ForGG is a failure for Millenium, as he was the best player in their team for years, BUT I think Millenium expected him to win way more tournaments in Europe when they recruited him. Remember he was a Code S player when he arrived to Millenium in 2012. He did not play in Europe because they could not perform well anymore in Korea like MvP, MC jjakji, Duckdeock, MMA. He cancelled his code S spot to come and was expected to completely dominate Europe, which he never really did (it took 2 years to win a premier tournament).
MVP, MC, MMA were all better players than ForGG. Hell, even Jjakji was a GSL champion. They left Korea for different reasons but "code s player" is nothing too significant to believe he would have a walkover against them. Maybe he could win like one more premier title somewhere along the road but he is definitely what Millenium asked for - best player of the team and a star on EU level.
Actually, I think Mill has nothing to blame ForGG for. Suppose you have Dayshi, the worst player on team who is likely to drop already at Challenger and has no chances further whatsoever, and ForGG, your best player who currently struggles for whatever reasons but has a chance to win it all if he regains his form. Would you prefer a risk of losing both players or get one player to groups for sure?
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On July 12 2015 23:40 Totorosc2 wrote:
If ForGG picked Dayshi because he is afraid of players like uThermal, Welmu, Nerchio or Naniwa, that's a bid sad for ForGG and I doubt that he can win WCS.
That's really sad for Dayshi, he was just starting playing SC2 full time again and obtained some results. I think he would have had a real change versus an other opponent. I hope he won't loose his motivation once again if he loose versus ForGG.
I don't think ForGG is a failure for Millenium, as he was the best player in their team for years, BUT I think Millenium expected him to win way more tournaments in Europe when they recruited him. Remember he was a Code S player when he arrived to Millenium in 2012. He did not play in Europe because they could not perform well anymore in Korea like MvP, MC jjakji, Duckdeock, MMA. He cancelled his code S spot to come and was expected to completely dominate Europe, which he never really did (it took 2 years to win a premier tournament).
If you check ForGGs twitter he followed up by saying he isn't confident on these maps and thereforse choose the easy teamkill. Its sad but true, ForGG is afraid of 50% of the challengers. For those people saying ForGG is Mills best player and that he has a chance to win WCS, keep on dreaming.
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If i remember right, he wasnt alone here, MMA, Mvp and MC were since the first WCS here in Europe too. ForGG is good but against them he had almost no chance. And other tournaments like IEM, DH had Code S level players anyway. It made no difference.
When Mvp arrived in WCS Europe, he was already declining due to his wrist problems. After his issues with Slayers MMA was quite terrible for a while. Jjakji arrived later and was also quite bad for a while after winning his GSL trophy.
If I remember correctly, when ForGG signed for Millenium, he just finished an awesome run in Code A (it was his first attempt qualifying for code S), beating Sage, Polt and JulyZerg without loosing a map. For me (and I probably was wrong :p), he was a rising start in SC2 and I expected him to be a future top 4 GSL player if he stayed in Korea.
I don't say he was the best Korean, but he always was showing an excellent level in Team leagues (even versus full Korean teams) and in early stages of tournaments. In term of skill, I would probably put him very close (maybe above) to MMA and Jjakji. At some point, he possibly had the best TvT in the world, and I found crazy that the only premier tournaments he won is a Dreamhack in 2014.
Actually, I think Mill has nothing to blame ForGG for. Suppose you have Dayshi, the worst player on team who is likely to drop already at Challenger and has no chances further whatsoever, and ForGG, your best player who currently struggles for whatever reasons but has a chance to win it all if he regains his form.
Are you saying that Dayshi had no chance if he was picked by Harstem (he beat him at HSCXI), Ret, Elfi, Elazer, Snute (he beat him in HSCXI), Mana and Showtime?
I really think Dayshi had a good change against all those players. (he would not necessarily be the favorite, but he had a good chance to make it to Premier)
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Well, I hope 4gg gains confidence in premier to make it to the finals. It'll vindicate his decision
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Wow, everyone here is super salty.
Everyone getting mad in place of someone else - how about you ask Dayshi how he feels about it and then calm down? I'm sure none of the angry people here know how he reacted 
Also to the person saying omg i lost all my respect for ForGG: Do you really think he cares? Do you think it matters?
And about the 'Millenium should fine him for doing this' statement : Nowhere does it state picking your teammate is forbidden. Is it morally questionable? Yes, but that's about it.
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Maybe ForGG just wanted a guaranteed spot in Premier for his team.
Also, when will match dates be announced?
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On July 13 2015 02:55 cheerful wrote:Wow, everyone here is super salty. Everyone getting mad in place of someone else - how about you ask Dayshi how he feels about it and then calm down? I'm sure none of the angry people here know how he reacted Also to the person saying omg i lost all my respect for ForGG: Do you really think he cares? Do you think it matters? And about the 'Millenium should fine him for doing this' statement : Nowhere does it state picking your teammate is forbidden. Is it morally questionable? Yes, but that's about it.
I'd like to add to this that for millenium this might even be the best course of action. Dayshi has a 0% chance of getting to blizzcon where as ForGG has ~10%. Giving forgg his easiest opponent possible, which ends up being dayshi, just makes sense from a standpoint of "Lets try and get at least 1 guy to blizzcon"
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picking your team mate is a dick move, whoever tries to put it in different light doesn´t understand anything about what a team means
only in e-sports
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On July 12 2015 21:15 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 17:28 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay ForGG lost all my respect for the third or fourth time in his career now, what a low move. That's just lame and Millenium should fine him for doing this.
One of Snute and Serral not going into Premier sucks too, but I guess poor Snute didn't have much choice T_T ForGG doesn't give a shit about your opinion (and no one does either) so don't bother, he plays it because it's his job not just a game. Every man for himself.
He actually does give a shit. Not only is his income tied to his fan base (which is probably connected to the large group of French millennium fans), but he even explained his thought process and apologized on twitter, saying that he didn't realize people would find it so BM
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On July 12 2015 08:38 mikumegurine wrote:
all the koreans are in NA (cept for ForGG)
hmmm
almost evens the strengh of the regions out!
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Edit: Post deleted for peace of mind.
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On July 13 2015 02:55 cheerful wrote:Wow, everyone here is super salty. Everyone getting mad in place of someone else - how about you ask Dayshi how he feels about it and then calm down? I'm sure none of the angry people here know how he reacted Also to the person saying omg i lost all my respect for ForGG: Do you really think he cares? Do you think it matters? And about the 'Millenium should fine him for doing this' statement : Nowhere does it state picking your teammate is forbidden. Is it morally questionable? Yes, but that's about it. How did Dayshi react?
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Huh, would have guessed that ForGG would feel pretty much as confident against Heromarine for example. Just seems like a bit of a weird decision since one should expect backlash and whatnot.
And as always kinda nervous for all the Finns because of the level of their opponents, but hopefully will see at least two of them in premier next season. Never know.
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what if ForGG loses in challenger...
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On July 13 2015 02:55 cheerful wrote:Wow, everyone here is super salty. Everyone getting mad in place of someone else - how about you ask Dayshi how he feels about it and then calm down? I'm sure none of the angry people here know how he reacted Also to the person saying omg i lost all my respect for ForGG: Do you really think he cares? Do you think it matters? And about the 'Millenium should fine him for doing this' statement : Nowhere does it state picking your teammate is forbidden. Is it morally questionable? Yes, but that's about it.
Damn I always love people who react with "do you think he gives a shit about your opinion?". Obviously I know he doesn't give a shit about my opinion, however yes just like any progamer his popularity is as essential as his skill to succeed, and you just have to look up the reactions to his tweet or on Millenium's site to know that I'm not the only one to feel that way.
And please read carefully, I suggested that Millenium fine him, and I'm pretty sure Millenium (or any team for that matter) can fine their own players for literally every reason they could imagine. You don't need a "picking a teammate is forbidden" rule to fine your own players. And the fact that it's ethically questionable is the very reason why he should be fined.
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On July 13 2015 06:27 D-light wrote:
Huh, would have guessed that ForGG would feel pretty much as confident against Heromarine for example. Just seems like a bit of a weird decision since one should expect backlash and whatnot.
And as always kinda nervous for all the Finns because of the level of their opponents, but hopefully will see at least two of them in premier next season. Never know.
On TakeTV Stream during WCS Season 2 Finals heroMarine said, that he made over 100 TvT practice games with forGG and he, Heromarine, won most of the Bio vs Bio games. You rather pick a your teammate you have no real contact to then a recent practicepartners, who has over 100 recent TvT replays to analyse you. No Heromarine was out of limits. And Uthermal looks stronger then dayshi. And everything but TvT ForGG lacks something.
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