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On July 07 2015 18:57 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 07:34 Judicator wrote:On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol.  Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!!  Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. Epidemiologist here. Even though I am in an extremely low risk area (about as close to none as possible), I still keep an eye on this for any reports that come across my desk. Yes the population of millions is the number of Koreans, but I don't actually care about the number of Koreans, I care about the exposed number of people given the outbreak nature here. A 15% death rate is high enough for me to be on the look out on the other side of planet albeit a very casual one at that. Yes, you do that because it's your job or it is interesting to you because of your job. And I'm aware that the death rate is high. But are you actually worried about snutes health? Do you think he is likely to die soon because of SARS? Is it justified that Otherworld is "scared for snute"? Should Teamliquid pull snute from SSL? (these are not rethorical questions, I'm interested in your answer) Because one thing I've learned of the last few years is that common people (meaning "not epidemiologist or related professions") get waaaay to worried about these Infections. I'm not saying SARS is harmless, I'm saying there is no reason to be worried about the health of a player that resides in Korea because the chance that he gets infected in the first place is very, very low.
Well if it's so low, would you go with him?
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On July 08 2015 21:43 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 17:34 OtherWorld wrote:On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear. So you're telling us that those people tend to overgeneralize based on a few of their personal experiences? Isn't that the case of, like, everyone? It is more apparent in Eastern Asian countries especially among China, Korea and Japan, since they had a very complicated historical relationship,.
so did France and Germany
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On July 08 2015 16:50 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear. That was uncalled for. Pretty sure we're not that mean and know that caucasians aren't that different. What kind of people were you hanging out with?
Sorry. I should have added this piece to my post:
There's always that one guy who says this or thinks this. The same way if you perhaps somehow facially disfigured, and most people have the decency not to stare or talk to you about it, then there's always that one moron who has to ask you about it.
Make sense now?
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On July 08 2015 22:39 chaos021 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 18:57 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 07:34 Judicator wrote:On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. Epidemiologist here. Even though I am in an extremely low risk area (about as close to none as possible), I still keep an eye on this for any reports that come across my desk. Yes the population of millions is the number of Koreans, but I don't actually care about the number of Koreans, I care about the exposed number of people given the outbreak nature here. A 15% death rate is high enough for me to be on the look out on the other side of planet albeit a very casual one at that. Yes, you do that because it's your job or it is interesting to you because of your job. And I'm aware that the death rate is high. But are you actually worried about snutes health? Do you think he is likely to die soon because of SARS? Is it justified that Otherworld is "scared for snute"? Should Teamliquid pull snute from SSL? (these are not rethorical questions, I'm interested in your answer) Because one thing I've learned of the last few years is that common people (meaning "not epidemiologist or related professions") get waaaay to worried about these Infections. I'm not saying SARS is harmless, I'm saying there is no reason to be worried about the health of a player that resides in Korea because the chance that he gets infected in the first place is very, very low. Well if it's so low, would you go with him?
Of course. I always wanted to go to Korea and Japan, but I lack the money.
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No one is concerned about MERS here.. I did hear though that the Chinese government is seeking an extremely large (billions of krw) settlement for the Korean who brought MERS to China originally.
When I read this news I was very saddened because life in Korea continues on normally. There are some health and safety checks at large crowded places monitoring body heat and for symptoms but it is really not a big deal.
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On July 09 2015 00:46 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 21:43 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 17:34 OtherWorld wrote:On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear. So you're telling us that those people tend to overgeneralize based on a few of their personal experiences? Isn't that the case of, like, everyone? It is more apparent in Eastern Asian countries especially among China, Korea and Japan, since they had a very complicated historical relationship,. so did France and Germany
France and Germany don't have complicated relationships, though I don't think China, Korea and Japan do too. It's just Japan hasn't apologized its crimes against humanity in WWII to China and Korea and they hate Japan for it. Germany did and is very sorry for WWII and Japan doesn't officially seem to be.
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Asian geopolitics vis-a-vis Starcraft II. Sounds like a research paper.
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Just for context:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/m0dKcb5.png)
The worst of the outbreak seems to be gone since middle of June or so, but still the occasional case popping up.
For comparison, 16 people die every day in traffic accidents in South Korea. source. So while there is a reason to keep an eye on the outbreak in case it starts to grow again, at no point did the death rate come close to the traffic death rate. Unless things take a very serious turn for the worse, both TooDming and Snute should be far more worried about traffic accident than MERS. 
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On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear.
Out of curiosity, is that a statement about amorous fidelity, intimate hygiene, or both? 
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On July 09 2015 14:28 Ashent wrote:
No one is concerned about MERS here.. I did hear though that the Chinese government is seeking an extremely large (billions of krw) settlement for the Korean who brought MERS to China originally.
When I read this news I was very saddened because life in Korea continues on normally. There are some health and safety checks at large crowded places monitoring body heat and for symptoms but it is really not a big deal.
Actually this is why korea is getting critized pretty much everywhere in Asia, not just china.
Taiwan, hong kong, Vietnam etc news were reporting how poorly s korea handled the whole thing initially and this is why they are finally doing better after criticisms.
Of cause, these aren't baseless accusation, WHO also said the lack of responsiveness and reaction from the gov and SK people are going to make MERS worse than it should be.
There was a news about two Chinese students wearing mask in lectures in korea and the lecturer told them to get out or take off the mask.
People refusing to get quarantined and even took taxi back home. (eventually made illegal to refuse quarantine)
No clear announcement on which hospital handled MERS patients.
SK even offer compensation money if any tourist got infected by MERS (lol?)
Most people here don't understand that after SARS, the whole Asia is very sensitive in how to handle these because it was a huge problem.
Everyone worn mask pretty much daily for a few months and lots of lives were lost.
Most of us, especially Hong Kong are very strict in these standards, the government and the SK people ruined all reputation of SK. Not the media.
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