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Well if Rain gets a walkover then...
  Rain vs   TooDming in in StarLeague Season 3 round of 24. Rain has the #1 Headband. Rain is at 99.99% Blizzcon Chances, with a 87.04% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 100%, or 99.99% if they lose. TooDming is at 0.01% Blizzcon Chances, with a 12.96% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.01%, or 0% if they lose.
Congrats Rain for locking in your Blizzcon qualification! lol
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On July 07 2015 08:30 Dracover wrote:
Decision doesn't surprise me at all. I haven't looked it up but if the statistics quoted above is correct, 24/200 deaths is like 12%. That's really high.Looking up wiki, it seems breast cancer has ~11% mortality (in 5 years), Skin cancer ~9%, prostate 1%. And I'm sure you have all heard more noise about those cancers than MERS.
When I wrote the previous statistic, I was reading a Korean news article that stated 166 infected and 24 fatalities, which is about 14.5% and that was as of June 14th, but as of July 4th it has risen to 185 infected and 33 dead (18% fatality rate). Apparently they're pretty certain it comes from camels, but to them its basically like having a cold, where as its much more deadly to humans. The same news article claimed it has a 40% mortality rate, but doesnt specify that information..
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Viruses getting from one continent to another.. globalisation best thing eva!
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On July 07 2015 07:34 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol.  Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!!  Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. Epidemiologist here. Even though I am in an extremely low risk area (about as close to none as possible), I still keep an eye on this for any reports that come across my desk. Yes the population of millions is the number of Koreans, but I don't actually care about the number of Koreans, I care about the exposed number of people given the outbreak nature here. A 15% death rate is high enough for me to be on the look out on the other side of planet albeit a very casual one at that.
Yes, you do that because it's your job or it is interesting to you because of your job. And I'm aware that the death rate is high. But are you actually worried about snutes health? Do you think he is likely to die soon because of SARS? Is it justified that Otherworld is "scared for snute"? Should Teamliquid pull snute from SSL? (these are not rethorical questions, I'm interested in your answer)
Because one thing I've learned of the last few years is that common people (meaning "not epidemiologist or related professions") get waaaay to worried about these Infections. I'm not saying SARS is harmless, I'm saying there is no reason to be worried about the health of a player that resides in Korea because the chance that he gets infected in the first place is very, very low.
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Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us.
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On July 07 2015 01:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:51 phagga wrote:On July 07 2015 00:36 OtherWorld wrote:On July 07 2015 00:10 NyxNax wrote:On July 06 2015 23:18 coloursheep wrote:On July 06 2015 22:56 nimbim wrote:
Well, there are hypochondriacs. Their behaviour doesn't make a lot of sense, but that won't stop them. Based on the reactions from people I have seen here I think it is more about how serious SARS was in China for a long time that has people so paranoid about MERS. I remember what is was like coming into China during not even the worst SARS time and they were very srtict and careful so I think over-reaction to MERS stems from what happened during that time. Yea thats what I was thinking as well. SARS was a much bigger epidemic than MERS currently is, but like anything you learn from past experiences. SARS infected more than 8000 people spreading to 25 countries in 7 months, while MERS so far has spread to a few countries and currently in Korea has infected less than 200 with 24 fatalities as of June 14th. While thats not a huge number of infected, the 15% death rate or so isn't a percentage anyone would want to chance and considering how little they know about the virus who knows what could happen. They still dont even know where MERS originated from. If I recall SARS originated from bats and using civet cats as an intermediary passed the virus to humans. Apparently Civet cats are a delicacy in China. I've never eaten a Civet cat, but I've had Kopi Luwak, which essentially is very expensive coffee that has taken a trip through the digestive system of a civet cat. Whoever came up with the idea must've been one desperate coffee drinker. Just google it if your interested lol. Guess I got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, all that being said I still think he should've gone lol.. Snute Fighting!! Grats, you made me scared for Snute now ): It's 200 Infected out of how many million korean citizens? It's an in insanely small number of infected in the first place. There is really no need to be worried about snute. That's the kind of logic that gets you killed. A 2 in 1,000,000 chance is significant, though dealth is likely lower, as usually infants and elderly are more at risk of death. Anyway, I dunno how bad this MERS stuff really is around there, so I hope the thread wasn't completely derailed with these theories.
No, it's not significant. That's the kind of logic that gets people panicing about completelly irrelevant threats, while taking their cars every day to drive on a road somewhere in a "safe" country, smoking and eating fast food.
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Out of topic, but why would any foreign player travel all the way to Korea only to be botched by top level Koreans in one best of five? It's not very educational because you'd rarely meet those kind of top-level players in WCS, unless you're really good (so I guess it's ok for snute?). It's better to focus beating those in your level first.
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The decision is made by both TooDming and his team, together; according to the article: "Zoo战队与TooDming经过慎重考虑正式宣布放弃本次韩国SSL个人联赛的种子邀请" Literal translation: Team Zoo and TooDming has made the decision to forfeit TooDming's SSL spot due to the MERS epidemic, after careful consideration.
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On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us.
There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here.
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On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here.
that you rather not talk in public ? Dude, this is the internet
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On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here.
Whats there to not talk about.
One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis.
There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia.
Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you.
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On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you.
Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China.
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On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China.
But we are like that only against the Japanese I would assume.
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On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China.
Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear.
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On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear.
That was uncalled for. Pretty sure we're not that mean and know that caucasians aren't that different. What kind of people were you hanging out with?
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On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear.
So you're telling us that those people tend to overgeneralize based on a few of their personal experiences? Isn't that the case of, like, everyone?
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damn first effort and now toodming. it's like they dont want money
edit: wait toodming was first
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On July 08 2015 17:41 ShurykaN wrote:
damn first effort and now toodming. it's like they dont want money
edit: wait toodming was first
not the same SSL ^^
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Gotta ask if his opponent being Rain played a role. Would he worry as much about MERS if he got to play aLive, San, or Heart? It probably is worth taking a mulligan on his opponent.
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On July 08 2015 17:34 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 15:54 BreAKerTV wrote:On July 08 2015 03:33 digmouse wrote:On July 08 2015 01:20 Kaizor wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 digmouse wrote:On July 07 2015 21:37 RKC wrote:
Maybe I can offer some perspective, based on my personal experience:
In May 2014, my former company had organised a regional conference for our business partners - to be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Guests flew in from India, Australia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Hong Kong. The Chinese delegation pulled out last minute. Reason given? It was not a good time, in light of the MH370 crash two months earlier that tragically killed hundreds of Chinese nationals (I forgot the exact email reply, but it was rather short and lacking details). There was no governmental ban on travel to Malaysia by the Chinese government. Oh, and the business partners were highly educated professionals. So what was the real reason? We could only speculate. Perhaps it was due to paranoia for their safety and simmering diplomatic tensions?
Morale of the story: Chinese nationals see and react to things differently than most of us. There are some complicated and rather controversial reasons behind those decisions that I rather not talk about in public but one thing is real: nationalism is strong here. Whats there to not talk about. One of my ex-colleagues was from china and from what he said, a lot of chinese were very pissed with how the Malaysian Government handled the MH370 crisis. There were even protests at the Malaysian Embassy in China if i am not wrong. So for RKC's experience, they were mostly boycotting the conference because of how pissed they were with Malaysia. Yup, thats Chinese Nationalism for you. Yep that can also be said towards Koreans especially after the not-so-pleasant MERS patient's entry into China. Adding to that, having lived in Confucian societies for, give or take, three years of my life, the clear message, "You - ascribed trait here- all do ___________ action." Has become a law as true as gravity. An example would be the idea of the typical western male in Asia these days: can't speak the local language, goes drinking every night, and changes his girlfriend every time he changes his underwear. So you're telling us that those people tend to overgeneralize based on a few of their personal experiences? Isn't that the case of, like, everyone?
It is more apparent in Eastern Asian countries especially among China, Korea and Japan, since they had a very complicated historical relationship, plus China's increasingly complex diplomatic struggle vs pretty much every country in the region.
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