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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 29 2015 03:57 The_Templar wrote: Life when he won GSL and RorO when he won GSL. I think he was trying to illustrate that Taeja lost to eventual champions in the BL/Infestor era. == Additionally, he lost in both of his ro8 runs to eventual finalists (Squirtle and MC) xD | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On April 29 2015 03:57 The_Templar wrote: Life when he won GSL and RorO when he won GSL. So as I see it, Taeja really got 2nd in both of those tournaments  | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On April 29 2015 04:15 y0su wrote: So as I see it, Taeja really got 2nd in both of those tournaments Nah, let's be real here. Life and RorO both crushed him and the 2nd place finishers put up a much better fight. I'll go with third best though.  | ||
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North2
134 Posts
On April 28 2015 23:48 stuchiu wrote: I included players having hot runs as players that would count (i.e. Sjow, Haypro and Patience all fell under this category for specific tournaments). If you're gonna go through that much trouble, why not just go by what I suggested? At the very least, someone had to beat the tournament favorites and the player in question probably had to beat the person that beat them. I.E. Top 5 Zerg beat Top 1 zerg, and then Taeja came in and beat Top 5 Zerg. In this case, there's at least some solid proof that Top 5 Zerg was in prime form or even better than their usual best(that, or Top 1 Zerg was in bad form and would have lost anyways if he went up against Taeja), and it was just Taeja's day to win. Your balancing act just feels like too much effort in trying to prove that Taeja was more skilled than MC(which you did successfully, imo). Individual skill doesn't mean anything for a list like this, it's what they've done with it that counts. We're indeed at an impasse. I did still enjoy the rest of your article though. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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testi759
7 Posts
On April 28 2015 15:13 lichter wrote: or rating john stockton (0 titles) higher than derek fisher (5 titles) it's not an analogous argument That doesn't fit the analogy at all. John Stockton played at the highest competition and won countless awards like mvp and a fuckton of awards for being the assist leader in the entire nba and leader for steals, etc. Taejas success comes winning easy competition. To put him the 3rd all time greatest sc2 player for winning a bunch of easier competition is jusy outright silly. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On April 29 2015 19:05 testi759 wrote: That doesn't fit the analogy at all. John Stockton played at the highest competition and won countless awards like mvp and a fuckton of awards for being the assist leader in the entire nba and leader for steals, etc. Taejas success comes winning easy competition. To put him the 3rd all time greatest sc2 player for winning a bunch of easier competition is jusy outright silly. "Easy competition" doesn't leave you with winning records against almost every other player on this list. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
I love how this articles started very seriously and ended up being best troll ever, gj  | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:15 Gwavajuice wrote: As I'm very slow I just realized that with Mvp and Life being granted the top 2 spots there will be no parting in the 15 greatest players of all times, hahaha. I love how this articles started very seriously and ended up being best troll ever, gj Yes, because a well-written, passionate and very thorough ranking is such a good way to troll. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:38 The_Templar wrote: Yes, because a well-written, passionate and very thorough ranking is such a good way to troll. Exactly! You may not now french writer Romain Gary (1914-1980) he got the "Prix Goncourt" in 1956 - most prestigious price for a french language novel - and in 1970 he"created" a fake author : Emile Ajar, started publishing books under this name, using a family relative to impersonate him during interviews and public appearences. This fake Emile Ajar received the 'Prix Goncourt' in 1975. Only after Gary's death, his relative revealed the whole thing. To this day, Gary is the only author to have received the 'Prix Goncourt' twice Well-written, passionate and very thorough writing are, of course, the best trolls | ||
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testi759
7 Posts
On April 29 2015 19:16 Elentos wrote: "Easy competition" doesn't leave you with winning records against almost every other player on this list. Having winning records over certain players doesn't mean much. Accomplishments do. Supernova has a winning record vs nestea and violet has a winning record over mvp. But nestea amd mvp are way more accomplished than the other 2. | ||
nimdil
Poland3775 Posts
On April 29 2015 03:57 The_Templar wrote: Life when he won GSL and RorO when he won GSL. When you think about it there are some parallels between Life beating Mvp and Federer beating Sampras. Sure - Federer didn't beat Sampras in the final but they were two greatest players in the history of the game, perhaps greatest (although many would make a case for Nadal who - I feel - is more like TaeJa). They played only once - the same as Life and Mvp. And they went all the way 3:2 and 4:3. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
TaeJa OP, told all you that for a long time and no one believed, I believed! TaeJa, the real SC2 Bonjwa. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Also if you guys wanna know what bias is, I'll refer you to the Brood War Power Ranks where Flash was consistently ranked #1 month in month out even though he didn't win shit and didn't even make the finals in over a year (if not two). | ||
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genai
Croatia78 Posts
On April 30 2015 00:35 testi759 wrote: Having winning records over certain players doesn't mean much. Accomplishments do. Supernova has a winning record vs nestea and violet has a winning record over mvp. But nestea amd mvp are way more accomplished than the other 2. You contradict yourself... you claim he didnt play at highest competition and played college and high school crap, yet when presented that during his play and all his "easy" wins, he has winning record against all other top players and probably has best win ratio when we combine those 15 players only you say winning records against best dont matter, only accomplishments... and he has most of those too... but you dont accept it because you consider those accomplishments "easy", even tho he amassed winning record against the best on the way to those accomplishments. Not to mention how he consistently beat people who were considered "gods"(at least by insanely biased Artosis) at a time, of all 3 races... zest, soO, innovation etc. How exactly did he get winning records against all best players of all time(and best at the time) if he played high school and college? Or how people keep saying that other guy was having a bad day every time Taeja beats them. Taeja getting high(but not winning) in preparation tournaments without preparing and only playing ladder to practice is considered a failure, but "best" players losing to Taeja in non preparation tournament is a "bad day", jet lag, "easy tournament" etc etc. Clearly shows who is biased... and its not the OP... His accomplishments dont matter, and his winning record against the best doesnt matter too... all that matters is GSL!!!!!1!!1!!1!!(even tho he stomps most of those who win GSL or get high in it in all other tournaments where skill matters most... preparing for everyone is harder than preparing for 1 guy... as preparing for 1 guy is like consumable boost to skill, you use it to beat 1 guy and then what if you have to play another right after and its still on cooldown?) Kespa > all i guess... and when they are forced back to korea, suddenly GSL has more koreigners than Kespa... oooooooooops! And those that say MC got further after returning... Taeja was semi retired already after Blizzcon... he pretty much lost everything he played and didnt even try to qualify for most tournaments, and yet he got into Code S ahead of other "best" players "Reset" happened after he semi retired, so saying how he cant beat people now after returning is showing that he is not good is silly... | ||
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gamebouille
France14 Posts
I'm so thrilled by this that my brain feels like saying "thank you" in english is not big enough or doesn't reflect my thought.... So I will say in my native language : "Merci beaucoup". | ||
munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On April 30 2015 23:47 gamebouille wrote: Thank you so much for these articles ! It's so refreshing and interesting to read your comment on the player and some history about their rival. Can't wait for the top 2 !!! I'm so thrilled by this that my brain feels like saying "thank you" in english is not big enough or doesn't reflect my thought.... So I will say in my native language : "Merci beaucoup". Final 2 is already done - enjoy! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/484252-greatest-players-of-all-time-the-finale | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2224 Posts
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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