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On April 26 2015 06:04 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 05:45 bartus88 wrote:On April 26 2015 05:03 Darkhorse wrote:
2. MoustacheTerran
1. LiquidSucksBallsWithoutMe
but seriously a bunch of you are idiots repeating the same "durrr Liquid bias Taeja never won a single game in Korea I heard"
Guessing ya'll didn't watch Taeja in IPL TAC. Guessing ya'll don't think about how he has won more Premiers than anyone else. Guessing none of you have seen him body GSL heavy hitters (in weekend events and sometimes in GSL remember he has actually made some Ro4s) over a period of 3+ years
On my GOAT list I had Taeja at 4 behind MC but I can see him at 3 The reason people keep saying Liquid bias is because it happens in every single ranking article Liquid has produced. I really love most of the articles the writers of this site put out, but I really can't take the rankings serious any more. I have written longer posts about it in the past but it's not really worth it. I think this is an unfair assessment. Anyone who has read my posts in LR threads will know that I am no fan of Taeja or even of Team Liquid, but I was still routinely accused of being biased in favor of Taeja when I was writing Power Ranks. It's not impossible, but isn't it just as likely that you, and many others, are biased against Taeja?
Fair point, but I hardly read the power ranks for SC2, so I can't say anything about that.
My main problem is with the yearly player rankings which are done by collective voting. You may not be biased. But the way I perceive it, is that the staff as a collective is biased. But obviously that might be my own confirmation bias.
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Taeja #3, not a complete farce argument under that criteria...... but how many people would actually say Taeja is #3? Lack of wins in Korea is like never winning a grand slam in tennis.
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France9034 Posts
On April 26 2015 06:18 Thrillz wrote:
Taeja #3, not a complete farce argument under that criteria...... but how many people would actually say Taeja is #3? Lack of wins in Korea is like never winning a grand slam in tennis.
Or rather not winning Roland Garros, winning some others (that could be considered a bit less "hard"), but beating the likes of Nadal, Federer, Djokovic on the way. That counts.
Also, some GSL were truly not as hard as some others (like GSL November 2011, GSL Season 3 2012, etc.), so uh, yeah, I'd not overrate players that won a GSL.
Seriously, Taeja has won way more premier tournaments than anyone else. If the ones that actually win GSLs are so better than him, how come they don't win these foreign tournaments?
On April 26 2015 06:15 bartus88 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:04 Zealously wrote:On April 26 2015 05:45 bartus88 wrote:On April 26 2015 05:03 Darkhorse wrote:
2. MoustacheTerran
1. LiquidSucksBallsWithoutMe
but seriously a bunch of you are idiots repeating the same "durrr Liquid bias Taeja never won a single game in Korea I heard"
Guessing ya'll didn't watch Taeja in IPL TAC. Guessing ya'll don't think about how he has won more Premiers than anyone else. Guessing none of you have seen him body GSL heavy hitters (in weekend events and sometimes in GSL remember he has actually made some Ro4s) over a period of 3+ years
On my GOAT list I had Taeja at 4 behind MC but I can see him at 3 The reason people keep saying Liquid bias is because it happens in every single ranking article Liquid has produced. I really love most of the articles the writers of this site put out, but I really can't take the rankings serious any more. I have written longer posts about it in the past but it's not really worth it. I think this is an unfair assessment. Anyone who has read my posts in LR threads will know that I am no fan of Taeja or even of Team Liquid, but I was still routinely accused of being biased in favor of Taeja when I was writing Power Ranks. It's not impossible, but isn't it just as likely that you, and many others, are biased against Taeja? Fair point, but I hardly read the power ranks for SC2, so I can't say anything about that.
Wait, you call out PR writers for something you say happens in all PR, but you didn't read those?
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On April 26 2015 06:24 Ragnarork wrote:
Wait, you call out PR writers for something you say happens in all PR, but you didn't read those?
No I'm not. If I did, I probably stated it wrongly. Also, you cut out the part where I said my problem was not with the PR. I only mentioned the PR because he was defending himself as a non-biased writer for the PR. Read better next time.
Once again commenting on 'Liquid bias' has resulted in unproductive discussion and Taeja fans name-calling me in PM's. I'm done with this topic.
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Iraq16955 Posts
Top 5 is pretty obvious, so it isn't as interesting. Taeja over MC is something that you could easily argue both ways (though personally I'd favour MC), so w/e. Part 4 next week though...
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United States23455 Posts
On April 26 2015 06:32 bartus88 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:24 Ragnarork wrote:
Wait, you call out PR writers for something you say happens in all PR, but you didn't read those?
No I'm not. If I did, I probably stated it wrongly. Also, you cut out the part where I said my problem was not with the PR. I only mentioned the PR because he was defending himself as a non-biased writer for the PR. Read better next time.Once again commenting on 'Liquid bias' has resulted in unproductive discussion and Taeja fans name-calling me in PM's. I'm done with this topic.
The reason people keep saying Liquid bias is because it happens in every single ranking article Liquid has produced
I hardly read the power ranks for SC2, so I can't say anything about that.
Write better next time
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Russian Federation421 Posts
Whatever Stuchio writes, MMA will hold #5 place on that list in my heart.
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Taeja has not been in a single GSL finals.
Not a single GSL finals, or WCS.
That is all
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On April 26 2015 06:46 showBanquo wrote:
Taeja has not been in a single GSL finals.
Not a single GSL finals, or WCS.
That is all
Rainbow has though, Rainbow should've been #3 instead
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On April 26 2015 06:49 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:46 showBanquo wrote:
Taeja has not been in a single GSL finals.
Not a single GSL finals, or WCS.
That is all Rainbow has though, Rainbow should've been #3 instead
Starting the coalition to have stuchiu write Inca into the top spot
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On April 26 2015 06:51 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:49 Die4Ever wrote:On April 26 2015 06:46 showBanquo wrote:
Taeja has not been in a single GSL finals.
Not a single GSL finals, or WCS.
That is all Rainbow has though, Rainbow should've been #3 instead Starting the coalition to have stuchiu write Inca into the top spot
The #0 spot would be perfect
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Rank 1 and 2 is Jaedong and Flash.
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On April 26 2015 06:53 LTAskill wrote:
Rank 1 and 2 is Jaedong and Flash.
you must be thinking of the "Most Disappointing Players of All Time" list
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United States97277 Posts
On April 26 2015 06:54 Die4Ever wrote:you must be thinking of the "Most Disappointing Players of All Time" list
Would still be wrong since Bisu played sc2
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On April 26 2015 06:56 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:54 Die4Ever wrote:On April 26 2015 06:53 LTAskill wrote:
Rank 1 and 2 is Jaedong and Flash. you must be thinking of the "Most Disappointing Players of All Time" list Would still be wrong since Bisu played sc2
If only sentries were as good as he thought they were
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Basically, I am ok with taeja in the top 5... even if I hate taeja.
But you know, I would have rate him #5 or #4. Taeja has no premiere wins in Korea, and when you are making a top 15 GOAT rank, I don't know if you can easily underestimate that fact, even when in some of Taeja's weekend runs he's faced strong opposition. And imo, homestory cups don't deserve the premiere tournament tag, since it's basically a friendly reunion, and lacks the hype, tension and stress of a regular tournament.
Anyways, it's stuchiu's oppinion, and the guy knows a lot of sc2. A proof of this fact it's his avatar: 10pool is the greatest BO ever.
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Can't we have a huge vote on the top 15? let's put in 30 players and everyone votes for 15 players and gives them points on some scale, and we'll crown the "TL community" top 15. I'd imagine e.g. parting making it in there, which he doesnt seem to here (I mean even when I saw the top 15 concept, I called mvp and life for top 2, I don't think many would argue that).
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Mvp is the only bonjwa sc2 ever had and life is looking promising to complete that. But I definitely think Taeja deserves top 3 even though its hard to decide between MC or Taeja.
Yes arguments can be made between MC and Taeja, but the reason I believe Taeja is the best, is that while MC created protoss, Taeja has his own build-style to playing terran that I haven't seen many other players create.
I don't know guys, but I do think Taeja deserves third.
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got a little sad that MC is #4 behind Taeja. To me the top3 were a no brainer with Mvp/Life/MC.
won't care about it in probably about 2 minutes and still view Mvp/Life/MC as my top3 all time
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parting should really be ahead of leenock, mkp, rain
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