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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On March 06 2015 05:59 sharkie wrote: herO, Innovation, Life, Zest - You have the top4 players of 2014 in one side of the bracket. it's 2015 now I would add that the bracket is done to know the best IEM player, not the best player in the world. You have the WCS Global Finals for this | ||
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sharkie
Austria18772 Posts
On March 06 2015 06:03 Yhamm wrote: it's 2015 now I would add that the bracket is done to know the best IEM player, not the best player in the world. You have the WCS Global Finals for this If IEM had at least used their internal rankings... You can't tell me that Flash is rated higher than Life in IEM... | ||
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On March 06 2015 06:07 sharkie wrote: If IEM had at least used their internal rankings... You can't tell me that Flash is rated higher than Life in IEM... and he's not rated higher in IEM, they have the same seed I have no idea why I'm continuing this pointless discussion | ||
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Elentos
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sharkie
Austria18772 Posts
On March 06 2015 06:10 Yhamm wrote: and he's not rated higher in IEM, they have the same seed I have no idea why I'm continuing this pointless discussion Two persons can not have the same seed... Seed is singular, it is impossible for one person to have the same seed. They clearly had to assign #1 to someone and #2 to someone and #3 to someone and #4 to someone. (out of the four winners) On March 06 2015 06:10 Elentos wrote: I mean, if I had to choose IEM's first seeded player, I'd go with CJ herO who has won more IEMs total than anyone else and was runner-up of last year's World Championship. Then it's between TaeJa and Life who both won an IEM and both took 3rd/4th in Toronto, so you'd seed TaeJa higher for doing better than Life in the previous IEM World Championship. Then Life over Flash because Flash only placed high in Toronto. And then you'd proceed in a similar manner for everyone else I guess. And INnoVation gets seeded lower because he cancelled his participation for Taipei, which is why he plays Life. The conspiracy is on <.< Exactly. Life and herO should never ever be on the same side of the bracket. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On March 06 2015 06:17 sharkie wrote: Two persons can not have the same seed... Seed is singular, it is impossible for one person to have the same seed. They clearly had to assign #1 to someone and #2 to someone and #3 to someone and #4 to someone. (out of the four winners) Exactly. Life and herO should never ever be on the same side of the bracket. They went with 1st and 3rd/2nd and 4th on the same side of the bracket because they didn't want any IEM final rematches to happen before the actual finals. If they went with 1st/4th and 2nd/3rd that'd have been harder. They didn't want TaeJa and Solar, Flash and Zest, herO and Rain or Life and Maru on the same side of the bracket. That'd be a bitch to do. EDIT: Actually nevermind wouldn't be that difficult. I guess they felt like it? | ||
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hborrgg
United States888 Posts
On March 06 2015 06:07 sharkie wrote: If IEM had at least used their internal rankings... You can't tell me that Flash is rated higher than Life in IEM... He did get 1st place over Zest at IEM Toronto Bracket design appears to be San Jose 1st | Shenzen 2nd Toronto 2nd | Tiapei 1st. Toronto 1st | San Jose 2nd Tiapei 2nd | Shenzen 1st Sure some of the previous winners have possibly started slumping since they first qualified, but they're no doubt practicing very hard at the moment. The biggest problem is Life vs Innovation in the first round which mainly due to Innovation forfeiting IEM Tiapei to qualify online as well as a bit of bad luck. | ||
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Elentos
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
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hborrgg
United States888 Posts
San Jose 1st EU 3rd | Shenzen 2nd AM Toronto 2nd EU | Tiapei 1st KR Toronto 1st AM | San Jose 2nd EU Tiapei 2nd KR | Shenzen 1st KR 3rd Yeah, the seeding for those seems a bit random, they probably needed to weight the KR qualifiers a bit more. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
GROUP SELECTIONS!! yeah :D group selections ceremony onto playing right away! I wonder if they have consider this possibility?? Although there would be a lot more matches and the time constraints probably wouldn't allow it... | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On March 06 2015 06:49 hborrgg wrote: Online qualifier locations added: San Jose 1st EU 3rd | Shenzen 2nd AM Toronto 2nd EU | Tiapei 1st KR Toronto 1st AM | San Jose 2nd EU Tiapei 2nd KR | Shenzen 1st KR 3rd Yeah, the seeding for those seems a bit random, they probably needed to weight the KR qualifiers a bit more. I agree, I think the Korean qualifiers should be weighted more and give higher seeds, EU and NA should be treated equal. Seeding would be: 1. herO 2. TaeJa 3. Life 4. Flash 5. Maru 6. Rain 7. Zest 8. Solar 9. INnoVation 10. Patience 11. NA/EU player with least map losses (Trap or Hydra) 12. NA/EU player with 2nd least map losses (Hydra or Trap) 13. NA/EU player with 3rd least map losses (Bbyong) 14. NA/EU player with 4th least map losses (Fantasy) 15. KR 3rd place qualifier 16. EU 3rd place qualifier I arranged 5-8 by the recency of their 2nd place finish at an IEM. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 06 2015 07:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I think people are reading into the seeding too much. It seems like they literally give the four winners seeds 1-4, and it was random what seed they get. And each player gets put a tier, but it's random what seed they get. I fail to see how this isn't fair and it certainly makes a lot of sense rather an arbitrarily giving rankings based on performance or to "adjust the bracket so it's even". Why do you think seeds make no sense? Wouldn't it be nice to have a higher chance of getting the best semis/finals possible? I am not sure about tennis, but i think they do it like that? Would be nice if someone with more tennis experience could explain it. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On March 06 2015 07:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I think people are reading into the seeding too much. It seems like they literally give the four winners seeds 1-4, and it was random what seed they get. And each player gets put a tier, but it's random what seed they get. I fail to see how this isn't fair and it certainly makes a lot of sense rather an arbitrarily giving rankings based on performance or to "adjust the bracket so it's even". If I can find a system to easily seed the 4 winners, so can they. Really, seeding herO and TaeJa 1st and 2nd for their overall IEM success would be obvious and they are the highest seeded players. On the other side, INnoVation is one of the top 5 players in the world right now and Trap is on a roll, and the two of them get seeded lower than Patience, Hydra, Bbyong and Fantasy. This means top 4 seeded players Life and Flash get stronger opponents than seeds 5-8. This isn't inherently unfair, but it's unfortunate because it causes matches like Life vs INnoVation which might as well be the grand finals to take place in round 1. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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feebleFanfare
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On March 06 2015 07:30 Elentos wrote: If I can find a system to easily seed the 4 winners, so can they. Really, seeding herO and TaeJa 1st and 2nd for their overall IEM success would be obvious and they are the highest seeded players. On the other side, INnoVation is one of the top 5 players in the world right now and Trap is on a roll, and the two of them get seeded lower than Patience, Hydra, Bbyong and Fantasy. This means top 4 seeded players Life and Flash get stronger opponents than seeds 5-8. This isn't inherently unfair, but it's unfortunate because it causes matches like Life vs INnoVation which might as well be the grand finals to take place in round 1. That happens in all competition tho, if you're gonna have a bracket sometimes it might be a little stronger in some places than others. Is it unfortunate? Maybe, but I'd rather have it like this than for them to have some sort of double standard because "they think one player is better" instead of leveling everybody's "chances" so to speak. | ||
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Elentos
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On March 06 2015 07:50 KingofdaHipHop wrote: That happens in all competition tho, if you're gonna have a bracket sometimes it might be a little stronger in some places than others. Is it unfortunate? Maybe, but I'd rather have it like this than for them to have some sort of double standard because "they think one player is better" instead of leveling everybody's "chances" so to speak. It kinda ruins the point of seeding anyone if the 4 lowest seeded players are Cure, Dark, INnoVation and Trap, who are objectively better than several of the players seeded higher (at least right now). They might aswell completely randomise everything at that point and remove the "no previous finalists on the same side of the bracket" constrait IMO. | ||
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