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IEM Katowice - Bracket revealed - Page 12
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The_Red_Viper
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the viewers obviously | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
More importantly, why did you put Shine on your anti? Evil is dangerous D: | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
aah yes, the fine art of sucking up | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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It just is kinda meh when 2 of the best players in the world meet in the first round  That's maybe just me, but Life vs Innovation shouldn't really be possible before the semis (maybe even finals) | ||
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usopsama
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On March 05 2015 02:15 The_Red_Viper wrote: I would love it if tournaments like this would seed the players "properly". It just is kinda meh when 2 of the best players in the world meet in the first round That's maybe just me, but Life vs Innovation shouldn't really be possible before the semis (maybe even finals) Agreed, kind of like that string of tournaments where polt and Scarlett just happened to meet in the first round 3 times. Like yeh rivalries are cool.but they shouldn't be forced upon us by making the rivals meet in r1 , then all the hype fizzles when one of them is knocked out. | ||
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Exitor45
United States72 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On March 05 2015 02:15 The_Red_Viper wrote: I would love it if tournaments like this would seed the players "properly". It just is kinda meh when 2 of the best players in the world meet in the first round That's maybe just me, but Life vs Innovation shouldn't really be possible before the semis (maybe even finals) I don't know man, almost whoever Life would meet it would be "one of the best players in the world". The bracket is so stacked it doesn't even matter, if the other participants were players like Pet, eMotion, Center and so on then I would agree. The other players are the likes of Maru, herO, Cure, Zest, Rain, Dark, Solar and Bbyong. The ranking of these players are pretty subjective to say the least. Best of Inno, herO and Maru is really impossible to say at the moment. Seeding players of this caliber would just be waaay too subjective, they are basically championlevel all of them. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Just ask X "experts" to rank them 1-16, give points for each place and look at the end results. I think it would be pretty good. In a perfect world the wcs ranking would be exactly that. | ||
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CAG Husker
United States117 Posts
On March 05 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sure, it might not be 100% objective, but i am sure it would be possible to have a pretty good seeding if you would try it. Just ask X "experts" to rank them 1-16, give points for each place and look at the end results. I think it would be pretty good. In a perfect world the wcs ranking would be exactly that. We should test this theory here. Try and pick ten members who you have seen show little to no bias and ask them to rank the players if they have time. Hopefully a few will do so and we will get to see how similar the rankings are. I'm definitely curious how this would turn out. Hopefully it won't be like the NCAA where the SEC has so much clout. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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rotta
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
On March 05 2015 12:20 rotta wrote: Any particular reason why ro16 can't be group play? That would solve the seeding problem and players wouldn't have to fly to the other side of the world for one bo5. I think even a losers' bracket would be acceptable at this level... No reason has been given, but it was the same last year in Katowice. Before 2014, when the final event was in Hanover at CeBIT they had 5 days to work with but last year it was only 3 and now it is 4 days. Although, in Hanover they've had 24 players while in Katowice there are 16. The amount of time affects the format they can use, but 4 days with 16 players would normally be enough to have a group stage. However, I think they want to broadcast every single match, which limits the options quite a bit, but still there should be room for one group stage played in two days. I guess they just like the single elimination format, which is very easy to follow and makes each match exciting as someone is always about to drop out. Still, single elimination is fine for finding a single champion like last year (winner takes it all), but it does not accurately rank the players in spots 2-16. Sure, neither would a single elimination with 8 players after a group stage, but groups+playoffs would still produce a more precise final ranking. Not to mention the "bracket luck" the straight playoffs includes. Anyway, ESL has its reasons but some words from them to explain the thinking behind the format would be nice. The 2014 tournament was special as it was the "one time only" winner takes it all tournament, and as the upcoming event does pay out to the all 16 players, apparently they still adopted the format from the special case. Here is a quote from Carmac from last year: Every season the IEM was one of the hardest tournaments to win all year. In 2014 we would like to take it to a new level of extreme. True champions are born when they express their talent in the most extreme situations. We wanted to create the most high-pressure tournament this audience has ever seen. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
HO LY SH IT! Even if half the players suddenly dropped out this would be one STACKED tournament!!! Feels like 2015 is getting started late but with a BANG :D edit: with a full bracket released (no group stages etc) where's the bracket contest?? | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Why IEM WHY ! | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
4:3 Flash wins! | ||
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messioso
Denmark635 Posts
On March 05 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote: More importantly, why did you put Shine on your anti? Evil is dangerous D: I did it quite quick before the cutoff time and I reasoned with Samsung being so poor it was worth it! | ||
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Lucrania
United States44 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 05 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sure, it might not be 100% objective, but i am sure it would be possible to have a pretty good seeding if you would try it. Just ask X "experts" to rank them 1-16, give points for each place and look at the end results. I think it would be pretty good. In a perfect world the wcs ranking would be exactly that. Ok so i actually wanna try this. Anybody who thinks he knows enough about this can pm me with the list. Rank the players from 1-16. First will get 16 points, etc. If there are enough lists (i will do one too) i will post the end results in this thread as well. | ||
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