On February 17 2015 12:44 orllyfools wrote:
Olivia pretty much ruined grassroots SC2. I'm sorry Mal. Hope you continue doing what you're doing. GLHF

Right because forming tournaments with legitimate sponsors or donations is so difficult.

Ovid

United Kingdom948 Posts

February 17 2015 14:32 GMT

#24

On February 17 2015 13:16 olimoley wrote:

Show nested quote +

Right because forming tournaments with legitimate sponsors or donations is so difficult.

Don't even bother wasting your time responding, it's one idiot with not a popular opinion.
Olimoley hasn't called anyone out she has only listed "suspect" tournament sponsors and brought the matter to our attention.

Thax

Belgium1060 Posts

February 17 2015 15:19 GMT

#25

On February 14 2015 18:15 sc2chronic wrote:

Show nested quote +

sorry, matchfixing and bet scandal terms have been thrown around like hotcakes i just typed that out on autopilot. yes i meant to say betting scandal.

your wall of text couldve been summarized a lot without it being so lengthy and while you answered questions the situation is still very unclear because even you are saying you do not know the full details yet. so essentially you are adding to the what-ifs and confusion. why not just wait until the report is out? i feel this is unfair to Dragon and the pugh tourney hosts, as well as others. you are excluding yourself from the rest of the list to defend solely for you. if every tourney host came out and said "hey guys, i didnt know 100% my sponsors were "maybe" gamblers, im sorry that i didnt check thoroughly", we would get no where. if that was the point of this post then okay, i accept your apology for being duped as anyone would have. but again, this does not add or help the situation as a whole and it is very random. someone as organized as yourself should know this

Really man? He was implicated in this whole mess and a few days later, after sorting his stuff out and getting his bearings, he wanted to provide some transparency as far as his "involvement" is concerned. How is that in any way an unreasonable or "random" thing to do? And of course he is only speaking for himself. Why would he have any knowledge of what pugh or Dragon did with their tournaments, and even if he did, it wouldn't on him to make that public.

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

February 17 2015 17:12 GMT

#26

The PHS guy should have thrown red flags for you as shady esports money. You concluded that he's a benevolent esports fan, but you probably should have been more skeptical of some random real estate investment company wanting to sponsor a Starcraft tournament. I don't understand why the name of the company or anything would be associated with the tournament since this guy is clearly not trying to market his random real estate company to SC2 fans. On top of that he is claiming the rest of his company, or at least his company's "investors", are involved in the decision to sponsor the tournament. So his investors are also benevolent esports fans? This already makes little sense.

I'm also very confused about the part where he says two other people were impersonating him. You were dealing with this guy from the start of the tournament, now he's telling you it wasn't him communicating at all, it was two impersonators? Yet, after these things are coming to light, he's going to continue with the tournament himself? So if I'm reading this correctly, it was impersonators you were communicating with up until the point he was accused??? It makes no sense whatsoever.

This guy's explanations sound bogus from the very beginning. People should really stop accepting shady money.

HewTheTitan

Canada331 Posts

February 17 2015 17:36 GMT

#27

Mal, you're a good guy. If you want, here's my thoughts on the situation:

It just sounds like a "not careful enough" situation. I think you might have been duped, or maybe not, and its led to an uncomfortable position regardless. You seem like a simple guy- in the sense that you are very non-conniving and expect others to be the same way. You seem honest and expect others to be honest. Even this thread says this between the lines since you didn't opt to lay low but instead took a risk by posting this.

I feel bad for you. I will tune in to your future tournaments! Keep at it!

(But beware of people a little bit more. We come in all shapes and sizes. The world isn't a innocent as we want it to be!)

<3

jinjin5000

United States1547 Posts

February 17 2015 21:13 GMT

#28

If you know the players personally and are friends with them and someone approached you offering tournement money if you can organize it, first thought in your mind shouldn't really be about all the shady possibility that could be there; hindsight is 20/20 but that is extremely negative way to live your life if you see everything coming at you aiming to exploit you. To a lot of people, such possibility shouldn't even come into thought.

Now that these exposure and possibility has been explored, people can be more careful next time.

But olivia, you did sound very accusing to those reading it when you pointed out and by looks of it, very little communication between organizers and you have been done. The situation certainly could have been handled better as it sounds right now that people are "guilty until proven innocent".

Your snappy responses do seem like it is because you genuinely care about this issue, but what about benefit of doubt or people whom are unknowingly involved? What good does it say when you exclaim "well you should have explored every single possibility then!"

Wuster

1974 Posts

February 17 2015 21:31 GMT

#29

On February 18 2015 02:12 Doodsmack wrote:
The PHS guy should have thrown red flags for you as shady esports money. You concluded that he's a benevolent esports fan, but you probably should have been more skeptical of some random real estate investment company wanting to sponsor a Starcraft tournament. I don't understand why the name of the company or anything would be associated with the tournament since this guy is clearly not trying to market his random real estate company to SC2 fans. On top of that he is claiming the rest of his company, or at least his company's "investors", are involved in the decision to sponsor the tournament. So his investors are also benevolent esports fans? This already makes little sense.

I'm also very confused about the part where he says two other people were impersonating him. You were dealing with this guy from the start of the tournament, now he's telling you it wasn't him communicating at all, it was two impersonators? Yet, after these things are coming to light, he's going to continue with the tournament himself? So if I'm reading this correctly, it was impersonators you were communicating with up until the point he was accused??? It makes no sense whatsoever.

This guy's explanations sound bogus from the very beginning. People should really stop accepting shady money.

Ya, there were a lot of red flags that seem obvious in hindsight. I assume it was one-part wishful thinking that things were taking shape and one-part denial that despite the warnings it would happen to Mal.

Nice to hear him be honest about the entire episode regardless. It's a crummy situation and this is probably the best way to move forward (the tournament changes, not the post. Personally I don' need or feel owed an explanation, but I appreciate reading this regardless).

Mistakes

United States1102 Posts

February 17 2015 21:54 GMT

#30

On February 16 2015 06:21 docvoc wrote:
Very impressive you made this post. This is the kind of transparency I like to see in E-sports.

This is the kind of transparency we NEED in eSports. Well done MAL. Keep casting and translating for SC2 please! :D