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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 16:15:24
February 06 2015 16:10 GMT
#1
After the departure of Starbuck and Sjaak, Miguel "Majestic" Julià Rubio leaves the German team. The Spanish player is an up and coming player, he qualified for WCS Season 1. He did not qualify for the Premier league, the Russian player, Happy barely defeated him 3-2.

de mouseports roster : (T)HeRoMaRinE
(P)HasuObs (on break)

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DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
February 06 2015 16:16 GMT
#2
Wow.

No more SC2 for Mouz, I guess.
pretender58
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany713 Posts
February 06 2015 16:17 GMT
#3
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 06 2015 16:21 GMT
#4
On February 07 2015 01:17 pretender58 wrote:
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.

mousesports wants to focus on the German scene.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
pretender58
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany713 Posts
February 06 2015 16:23 GMT
#5
On February 07 2015 01:21 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:17 pretender58 wrote:
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.

mousesports wants to focus on the German scene.

speculation or reliable information?
would make sense though
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 06 2015 16:24 GMT
#6
On February 07 2015 01:23 pretender58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:21 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:17 pretender58 wrote:
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.

mousesports wants to focus on the German scene.

speculation or reliable information?
would make sense though

Reliable information.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
February 06 2015 16:24 GMT
#7
Very sad about mouz disbanding/inactivity.
Vasacast always in my <3
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 16:28:38
February 06 2015 16:26 GMT
#8
On February 07 2015 01:23 pretender58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:21 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:17 pretender58 wrote:
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.

mousesports wants to focus on the German scene.

speculation or reliable information?
would make sense though

based how mousesport did in the last 10 years. German scene is and was always #1.
If that player/team is strong outside Germany too, they send it.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1975 Posts
February 06 2015 16:27 GMT
#9
mouz is going to disband?
Total Annihilation Zero
pretender58
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany713 Posts
February 06 2015 16:29 GMT
#10
On February 07 2015 01:24 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:23 pretender58 wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:21 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:17 pretender58 wrote:
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.

mousesports wants to focus on the German scene.

speculation or reliable information?
would make sense though

Reliable information.

ok thx ^^
Then I´m hoping for a few pickups
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
February 06 2015 16:34 GMT
#11
Sad that mouz doesn't really have a team anymore. I hope they all find good teams soon!
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
February 06 2015 16:43 GMT
#12
This doesn't look good at all. Hoping for Aeromis source to be correct and this just being a re-focus on EPS/German scene.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
February 06 2015 16:51 GMT
#13
mouz has always been one of my favourite teams. MaNa, ThorZaIN, Hasu, VortiX, LucifroN... so many good players were on mouz
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
February 06 2015 17:04 GMT
#14
On February 07 2015 01:51 Boucot wrote:
mouz has always been one of my favourite teams. MaNa, ThorZaIN, Hasu, VortiX, LucifroN... so many good players were on mouz

Thorzain had his epic sprint down the aisle while on mouzsports.
eNjiin
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany27 Posts
February 06 2015 17:12 GMT
#15
On February 07 2015 01:27 TaShadan wrote:
mouz is going to disband?


You mean the SC2 Squad hopefully :D With HasuObs focussing on Heroes of the Storm / waiting for LotV, I think they might stick to HeroMarine. Otherwise it would be sad if they close the RTS section.
Enigmasc
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom147 Posts
February 06 2015 17:50 GMT
#16
mouzsports as an org really doesnt seem as formidable as they once did tbh
sc2 rosters effectivley dead
and thier cs:go teams hardly a big hitter..
alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany628 Posts
February 06 2015 17:54 GMT
#17
Mouz gungfubanda!
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
February 06 2015 18:10 GMT
#18
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 18:51:43
February 06 2015 18:50 GMT
#19
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
February 06 2015 18:53 GMT
#20
On February 07 2015 01:29 pretender58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:24 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:23 pretender58 wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:21 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:17 pretender58 wrote:
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.

mousesports wants to focus on the German scene.

speculation or reliable information?
would make sense though

Reliable information.

ok thx ^^
Then I´m hoping for a few pickups


Hoping for a Mouz MC and Naniwa. These two volatile Protoss players are the best in the world.
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 06 2015 19:03 GMT
#21
On February 07 2015 03:53 swag_bro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:29 pretender58 wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:24 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:23 pretender58 wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:21 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:17 pretender58 wrote:
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.

mousesports wants to focus on the German scene.

speculation or reliable information?
would make sense though

Reliable information.

ok thx ^^
Then I´m hoping for a few pickups


Hoping for a Mouz MC and Naniwa. These two volatile Protoss players are the best in the world.

Welcome back.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
February 06 2015 19:13 GMT
#22
On February 07 2015 03:53 swag_bro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:29 pretender58 wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:24 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:23 pretender58 wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:21 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:17 pretender58 wrote:
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.

mousesports wants to focus on the German scene.

speculation or reliable information?
would make sense though

Reliable information.

ok thx ^^
Then I´m hoping for a few pickups


Hoping for a Mouz MC and Naniwa. These two volatile Protoss players are the best in the world.

Well we'll found out if this is true when MCs group plays in the GSL mate =D
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 06 2015 20:04 GMT
#23
the team that had roped in the talent is now... well, void.sux
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
February 06 2015 20:07 GMT
#24
Makes sense, downsizing seems like a smart choice for them, and localizing talent is the way to make a brand continue even without much of a presence in the scene as a whole. This reminds me of how long Alternate Attax lasted with just Socke for a while, hopefully mouz can go for longer and support Heromarine and maybe Hasu when he comes back.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
February 06 2015 21:24 GMT
#25
i honestly hope mouz isn't going to disband... hopefully they pick up Naniwa and letting go some player is their way of clearing up cap
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
February 06 2015 21:25 GMT
#26
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 23:09:20
February 06 2015 22:58 GMT
#27
On February 07 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh


I still think Dear is still by far the least successful Korean signing by a foreign team. Sea and Moon were players with success from other games that never really translated into SC2, Rain (edit: the old Terran player Rain) was a mediocre player who had one good run in GSL 2010 S3 and that's it (in other words, he didn't get worse after his signing by Fnatic), and ByuL was a total unknown when he signed with Fnatic so no one expected more of him. Dear is the only player I can think of that was a top Korean when signed by a foreign team and completely fell through the floor after being signed. Sure, INnoVation lost his dominant edge after signing with Acer but he was still a strong player and played very well in GSTL. YoDa and First signing with TCM didn't really work out but they were not dominant players in Korea when they signed up.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
February 06 2015 23:16 GMT
#28
On February 07 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh

Yes, sure and Rain made a final of GSL. Both was at a time, in which they were not playing for Fnatic.

On February 07 2015 07:58 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh


I still think Dear is still by far the least successful Korean signing by a foreign team. Sea and Moon were players with success from other games that never really translated into SC2, Rain was a mediocre player who had one good run in GSL 2010 S3 and that's it (in other words, he didn't get worse after his signing by Fnatic), and ByuL was a total unknown when he signed with Fnatic so no one expected more of him. Dear is the only player I can think of that was a top Korean when signed by a foreign team and completely fell through the floor after being signed. Sure, INnoVation lost his dominant edge after signing with Acer but he was still a strong player and played very well in GSTL. YoDa and First signing with TCM didn't really work out but they were not dominant players in Korea when they signed up.

You have a pretty small sample size here, though. How many really top tier koreans have ever been on foreign teams? Aside from MC on SK and Inno on Acer, the list pretty much ends. Taeja can be rated a s a top tier korean, but he got his major success after being signed by Liquid. MMA was in the worst phase of his career, when he joined Acer and while he did recover afterwards, he wasn't a top tier koeran at the time of the signing.
So, if you want to inculde only 3 people as a viable choice, I could agree with you. But given, that Dear stayed at mousesports for only 3 months and had decent runs at both ASUS and IEM WC, calling his signing less succesfull than for example Seas seems ridiculous to me.
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
February 06 2015 23:27 GMT
#29
On February 07 2015 03:53 swag_bro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 01:29 pretender58 wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:24 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:23 pretender58 wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:21 Aeromi wrote:
On February 07 2015 01:17 pretender58 wrote:
Again, no statement from mouz. I wonder what´s gonna happen with Heromarine.

mousesports wants to focus on the German scene.

speculation or reliable information?
would make sense though

Reliable information.

ok thx ^^
Then I´m hoping for a few pickups


Hoping for a Mouz MC and Naniwa. These two volatile Protoss players are the best in the world.

Yay! swag_bro!
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
February 06 2015 23:35 GMT
#30
On February 07 2015 08:16 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh

Yes, sure and Rain made a final of GSL. Both was at a time, in which they were not playing for Fnatic.

Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 07:58 Yakikorosu wrote:
On February 07 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh


I still think Dear is still by far the least successful Korean signing by a foreign team. Sea and Moon were players with success from other games that never really translated into SC2, Rain was a mediocre player who had one good run in GSL 2010 S3 and that's it (in other words, he didn't get worse after his signing by Fnatic), and ByuL was a total unknown when he signed with Fnatic so no one expected more of him. Dear is the only player I can think of that was a top Korean when signed by a foreign team and completely fell through the floor after being signed. Sure, INnoVation lost his dominant edge after signing with Acer but he was still a strong player and played very well in GSTL. YoDa and First signing with TCM didn't really work out but they were not dominant players in Korea when they signed up.

You have a pretty small sample size here, though. How many really top tier koreans have ever been on foreign teams? Aside from MC on SK and Inno on Acer, the list pretty much ends. Taeja can be rated a s a top tier korean, but he got his major success after being signed by Liquid. MMA was in the worst phase of his career, when he joined Acer and while he did recover afterwards, he wasn't a top tier koeran at the time of the signing.
So, if you want to inculde only 3 people as a viable choice, I could agree with you. But given, that Dear stayed at mousesports for only 3 months and had decent runs at both ASUS and IEM WC, calling his signing less succesfull than for example Seas seems ridiculous to me.


I'm not talking about which Koreans on a foreign team accomplished least. If you want to say that you can go through a whole list of Koreans who were on foreign teams and (not to be mean) never accomplished anything of significance. How about CrazymoviNG with Infinity 7, or Sleep with CheckSix. I'm talking about top top (GSL Code S level) Koreans who got way worse after moving to a foreign team. Sea just doesn't fall into that group. Sure there haven't been a ton of them but if you include foreign sponsors there's INnoVation, Bomber, Polt, MMA, MC, jjakji, TaeJa, HerO, Jaedong, aLive, etc. Second least successful is probably Oz--he stuck around for a while and had a few decent results but he never recaptured his FXO form when he went to Fnatic and then EG.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12204 Posts
February 07 2015 00:13 GMT
#31
I think next level swag_bro reaction should be to pretend to take him very seriously, so that people who are stuck on the last level would go like "noooo but this is a troll"
No will to live, no wish to die
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 07 2015 01:10 GMT
#32
Honestly, if you think a team will pick up someone else after they drop players in 2015, in SC2, you're kinda delusional.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
February 07 2015 01:27 GMT
#33
On February 07 2015 09:13 Nebuchad wrote:
I think next level swag_bro reaction should be to pretend to take him very seriously, so that people who are stuck on the last level would go like "noooo but this is a troll"


What if those people are so next level they're just pretending to take us seriously 0.o
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
February 07 2015 02:49 GMT
#34
On February 07 2015 08:35 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2015 08:16 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh

Yes, sure and Rain made a final of GSL. Both was at a time, in which they were not playing for Fnatic.

On February 07 2015 07:58 Yakikorosu wrote:
On February 07 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh


I still think Dear is still by far the least successful Korean signing by a foreign team. Sea and Moon were players with success from other games that never really translated into SC2, Rain was a mediocre player who had one good run in GSL 2010 S3 and that's it (in other words, he didn't get worse after his signing by Fnatic), and ByuL was a total unknown when he signed with Fnatic so no one expected more of him. Dear is the only player I can think of that was a top Korean when signed by a foreign team and completely fell through the floor after being signed. Sure, INnoVation lost his dominant edge after signing with Acer but he was still a strong player and played very well in GSTL. YoDa and First signing with TCM didn't really work out but they were not dominant players in Korea when they signed up.

You have a pretty small sample size here, though. How many really top tier koreans have ever been on foreign teams? Aside from MC on SK and Inno on Acer, the list pretty much ends. Taeja can be rated a s a top tier korean, but he got his major success after being signed by Liquid. MMA was in the worst phase of his career, when he joined Acer and while he did recover afterwards, he wasn't a top tier koeran at the time of the signing.
So, if you want to inculde only 3 people as a viable choice, I could agree with you. But given, that Dear stayed at mousesports for only 3 months and had decent runs at both ASUS and IEM WC, calling his signing less succesfull than for example Seas seems ridiculous to me.


I'm not talking about which Koreans on a foreign team accomplished least. If you want to say that you can go through a whole list of Koreans who were on foreign teams and (not to be mean) never accomplished anything of significance. How about CrazymoviNG with Infinity 7, or Sleep with CheckSix. I'm talking about top top (GSL Code S level) Koreans who got way worse after moving to a foreign team. Sea just doesn't fall into that group. Sure there haven't been a ton of them but if you include foreign sponsors there's INnoVation, Bomber, Polt, MMA, MC, jjakji, TaeJa, HerO, Jaedong, aLive, etc. Second least successful is probably Oz--he stuck around for a while and had a few decent results but he never recaptured his FXO form when he went to Fnatic and then EG.

Well, if we just take this list: Dear made more finals in his 3 months on mouz than aLive did in his 8,5 months on EG.
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
February 07 2015 03:53 GMT
#35
On February 07 2015 08:35 Yakikorosu wrote:
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On February 07 2015 08:16 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh

Yes, sure and Rain made a final of GSL. Both was at a time, in which they were not playing for Fnatic.

On February 07 2015 07:58 Yakikorosu wrote:
On February 07 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:50 Xoronius wrote:
On February 07 2015 03:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
Interesting that little more than a year ago Mouz had their signing of Dear which has to be the least successful signing of a Korean player by a foreign team in the history of SC2. I wonder what exactly happened in the organization to cause such a massive turnaround in the span of a year. It can't just be blamed on SC2 popularity relative to other esports--it's not like there were any illusions on that by the end of 2013 when Dear was signed.

LiquidSea? Or Moon, Rain and Byul during their time on Fnatic? Because none of them made a final during their stays in their respective periods with the team. There are more examples out there, but these are the first, that come to mind.
On February 07 2015 02:54 alpenrahm wrote:
Mouz gungfubanda!

Nah, rather not. I'm able to forgive him in the future, but he has to stay clean for a while, before that happens.

moon did make a final of dh


I still think Dear is still by far the least successful Korean signing by a foreign team. Sea and Moon were players with success from other games that never really translated into SC2, Rain was a mediocre player who had one good run in GSL 2010 S3 and that's it (in other words, he didn't get worse after his signing by Fnatic), and ByuL was a total unknown when he signed with Fnatic so no one expected more of him. Dear is the only player I can think of that was a top Korean when signed by a foreign team and completely fell through the floor after being signed. Sure, INnoVation lost his dominant edge after signing with Acer but he was still a strong player and played very well in GSTL. YoDa and First signing with TCM didn't really work out but they were not dominant players in Korea when they signed up.

You have a pretty small sample size here, though. How many really top tier koreans have ever been on foreign teams? Aside from MC on SK and Inno on Acer, the list pretty much ends. Taeja can be rated a s a top tier korean, but he got his major success after being signed by Liquid. MMA was in the worst phase of his career, when he joined Acer and while he did recover afterwards, he wasn't a top tier koeran at the time of the signing.
So, if you want to inculde only 3 people as a viable choice, I could agree with you. But given, that Dear stayed at mousesports for only 3 months and had decent runs at both ASUS and IEM WC, calling his signing less succesfull than for example Seas seems ridiculous to me.


I'm not talking about which Koreans on a foreign team accomplished least. If you want to say that you can go through a whole list of Koreans who were on foreign teams and (not to be mean) never accomplished anything of significance. How about CrazymoviNG with Infinity 7, or Sleep with CheckSix. I'm talking about top top (GSL Code S level) Koreans who got way worse after moving to a foreign team. Sea just doesn't fall into that group. Sure there haven't been a ton of them but if you include foreign sponsors there's INnoVation, Bomber, Polt, MMA, MC, jjakji, TaeJa, HerO, Jaedong, aLive, etc. Second least successful is probably Oz--he stuck around for a while and had a few decent results but he never recaptured his FXO form when he went to Fnatic and then EG.

This seems kind of unfair. Dear had such a short stint on Mouz and he still did fine - getting a finals in one of the few premier tournaments he got to participate in during that 3-4 month period or whatever. He went quite far in an IEM during then too, all while doing reasonably well in code S as well. I don't see how you can shit on him for that. The absolute best of players couldn't be held to a higher level of consistency over such a period of time.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12204 Posts
February 07 2015 04:29 GMT
#36
On February 07 2015 10:27 chipmonklord17 wrote:
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On February 07 2015 09:13 Nebuchad wrote:
I think next level swag_bro reaction should be to pretend to take him very seriously, so that people who are stuck on the last level would go like "noooo but this is a troll"


What if those people are so next level they're just pretending to take us seriously 0.o


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Canada11355 Posts
February 07 2015 05:20 GMT
#37
On February 07 2015 13:29 Nebuchad wrote:
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On February 07 2015 10:27 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On February 07 2015 09:13 Nebuchad wrote:
I think next level swag_bro reaction should be to pretend to take him very seriously, so that people who are stuck on the last level would go like "noooo but this is a troll"


What if those people are so next level they're just pretending to take us seriously 0.o


That's the beauty of leveling up!

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February 07 2015 17:42 GMT
#38
Mouz falling apart
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February 09 2015 03:46 GMT
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