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[Code S] Ro32 Group H: Started From the Bottom

Text byCosmicSpiral
Graphics bylichter
January 23rd, 2015 02:30 GMT
2015 GSL Season 1

GSL Season One
Code S



Started From the Bottom, Skydiving Back
Ro32 Group H:
Solar, Heart, INnoVation, Super

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

Started From the Bottom, Skydiving Back


by CosmicSpiral

2 months ago, Samsung.Solar was close to being ordained as the next darling of the Korean scene. He had recently capped off a notable 4-month run with his second premier win, taking MSI Beat IT with a thrilling 4-3 victory over (P)PartinG; a month prior, Solar dominated (Z)soO 3-0 in the finals of Dreamhack Stockholm. Previously he had secured silver in RBBG: Global and 1st place in the first Connecting Professional E-Sports event, and he would soon triumph in The Fight Before Christmas. At the time Solar looked ready to become the eminent Zerg player. He could hit the same heights as (Z)Life and (Z)Soulkey without the erratic dips in form; he had general consistency similar to soO, but came through in the clutch more often. In terms of reliability, he bested all of them. He was more enthusiastic in interviews, perfectly willing to indulge in (fairly good) English for the sake of the audience. Never yielding to the laconic stoicism typical of his contemporaries, Solar’s personality was a perfect corollary to his inevitable success.

If you were a fan with high hopes, this winter has been excruciating. The idea of this new titan, if it ever existed beyond that fortuitous streak, crushing all before its path has been unceremoniously dashed by a flaccid Proleague performance. A 0-5 record is ugly from a relative neophyte, unacceptable from a player who should be Samsung’s ace. What’s worse is that no one can pinpoint a blatant flaw in his gameplay. It’s not like Solar is hung up on one particular race or puzzled by one specific strategy. He’s losing against all 3 races in PL with variable showings of weakness against T and P in other tournaments. As luck would have it, he might have to tackle every possible matchup tonight.

One man’s misfortune is another’s man profit, and Invasion.(P)Super has benefited immensely from the recent flux in the Korean scene. In a more stratified world, Super would be relegated to the middle of the pack. Less successful than (P)herO and (P)Rain while lacking the recognition value of (P)sOs and PartinG, he would never rise beyond the rank of annoying obstacle. Fortunately name value and results aren’t always synonymous. The Protoss hierarchy is a bit of a mess at the moment, and Super is looking to take advantage of the disarray. His record suggests that his time may be soon. From beating Rain and Soulkey to win the Hey Look, Koreans! tournament to qualifying for GSL and NSSL without dropping a series, Super has showcased competent play against all races with a multitude of strategies. Despite his unmemorable name and lack of big results, Super could end up being the next (P)Stats: an underrated force who always punishes the unprepared.

SKT.(T)INnoVation was always acclaimed as one of the best, but it was hard to determine his worth while he was on Acer. It was obvious that he was their lynchpin in team leagues: between ATC 2 and ATC 3, he posted a 58-15 record and 5 all-kills. Surely Acer management was pleased that they secured an immovable rock while (T)MMA struggled with brutal highs and lows. But that juggernaut role never passed over to individual tournaments, which should have been a foregone conclusion after he crushed sOs in 2013 WCS Season 1. His inability to take a single premier event (he only won Ione tournament during his tenure) raised uncomfortable questions. Was his previous success less attributable to skill than format/metagame luck/training regime? Was he too enslaved to the rhythmic, meticulous routines of KeSPA training to adapt to that demanded quick thinking? Was he just overrated in the first place?

What we do know is INnoVation chose to come back to Korea, and right now he looks like the menace that inspired all those evil robot jokes in the first place. He’s won 12 out of his last 13 series, only taking a loss against Stats in NSSL Challenger League. This is only surpassed by his extraordinary prowess in TvT, a matchup that lost its title as “most stable mirror” a long time ago. After taking a brutal beating from (T)TaeJa at BlizzCon, INnoVation has snatched 12 straight TvT games in a variety of circumstances. The only thing standing between him and an assured Ro16 spot is the ambiguous state of his TvZ. He hasn’t played a televised game since December 11th and prior to that, he looked a bit sketchy. In Bo1s he was liable to taking a L from (Z)Starbuck and (Z)TLO; he was predictably more tenacious in Bo3s, yet he fell to “lesser players” like (Z)TRUE and (Z)RagnaroK. If TvZ remains his Achilles’ heel, INnoVation should hope Solar receives a speedy exit. Nevertheless, it looks like he will be retaining his reputation whether he advances or not.

In other cases, underwhelming results were expected. Axiom.(T)Heart started out as an opportunistic emigrant when he originally joined WCS America, no different than (T)Apocalypse or (T)TheStC. By the time he left he was regarded as one of its finest players, ending 2014 with a semifinals appearance and a 2nd place finish. When the new WCS rules were announced there were concerns that he was a big fish in a small pond, and the imminent move back to Korea would be the end of his winning ways. So far the fears have proven well-founded. Short-lived qualifier runs and unimpressive tournament runs peg him squarely as a mediocre Terran, fortunate enough to get shine in a region with inferior players. This isn’t a pejorative judgment as much as brutal reality. The GSL and NSSL are brutally unforgiving environments. “Excellent games” are rare but so are upsets, and Heart faces 3 players with better records against the same competition. He may be the type that excels in this particular format, and he certainly displayed that in WCS last year, but I’m not holding my breath.

Predictions:

Solar > Heart
INnoVation > Super
INnoVation > Solar
Super > Heart
Super > Solar

(T)INnoVation and (P)Super to advance.

Writers: CosmicSpiral.
Editors: CosmicSpiral.
Graphics: lichter.
Photo: GOMeXP.
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-23 02:33:40
January 23 2015 02:33 GMT
#2
100% disagree with your assessment of Heart. I see him going to the decider match against Super, where I favor him.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 23 2015 02:35 GMT
#3
Gogo Inno and Solar! And Heart.... Fuck this group hurts my soul.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 23 2015 02:36 GMT
#4
Heart doesn't lose TvZ
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
January 23 2015 02:37 GMT
#5
So you're saying that there'll be a total eclipse of the Heart?

Heart beats Solar all day every day, but I agree that INno / Super will go through.
That INno pic on the front page though <3
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 23 2015 02:38 GMT
#6
Questionable to predict that Solar wins a map at all.
Hoping for INnoVation and Super, and my liquibet says the same thing.
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A_Scarecrow
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia721 Posts
January 23 2015 02:39 GMT
#7
yeah hearts tvz is better than solar's zvt. and solar is in a slump atm
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
January 23 2015 02:40 GMT
#8
On January 23 2015 11:33 Circumstance wrote:
100% disagree with your assessment of Heart. I see him going to the decider match against Super, where I favor him.

he makes decider vs super and loses
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
January 23 2015 02:40 GMT
#9
It'll be an interesting night, no doubt! I expect good games from Innovation, so he best not disappoint :|
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 23 2015 02:50 GMT
#10
Same prediction as TL once again...that can't be a good sign based off the last few days :p
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
January 23 2015 02:53 GMT
#11
[image loading]
Super in first, this guy in second^^
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-23 02:55:27
January 23 2015 02:55 GMT
#12
On January 23 2015 11:53 banjoetheredskin wrote:
Super in first, this guy in second^^

herO's loss must have broken your mind if you think INno's not coming out in 1st


:[
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10685 Posts
January 23 2015 03:10 GMT
#13
I hope Solar does well, I played him a few times in the playhem's or some other tournament a while back, he is really a really good Zerg.
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Fabulous_Trunks
Profile Joined February 2014
6 Posts
January 23 2015 03:19 GMT
#14
INnoVation looks scarier than ever to be honest, he's had significant time back on a top KeSPA team, I look for a repeat from him this season.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 23 2015 03:47 GMT
#15
Yeah I'm thinking Inno and super too
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
January 23 2015 04:03 GMT
#16
After watching a bazillion hours of innovation I think he's a safe bet
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WidowMineHero
Profile Joined September 2014
New Zealand143 Posts
January 23 2015 04:06 GMT
#17
still think solar has a bigger chance
"Time won't change anything, I will."
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 23 2015 05:21 GMT
#18
I for one believe in the Omnissiah! Though he has a tendency to lose the 1st series but come through 2nd
Sad I can't watch this live INnoVation hwaiting!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-23 06:18:52
January 23 2015 06:17 GMT
#19
I agree with the predictions and also share the other posters' doubt about Solar's chances against Heart. Also the link to Destiny I is broken. Surprised nobody pointed it out; I guess no one actually clicks on links, but me...
coolman123123
Profile Joined August 2013
146 Posts
January 23 2015 06:38 GMT
#20
On January 23 2015 12:10 GGzerG wrote:
I hope Solar does well, I played him a few times in the playhem's or some other tournament a while back, he is really a really good Zerg.


This is definitely not a veiled brag.

Innovation gets out first, Super or Heart second (probably Super)
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