EPTOn March 18 2015 05:44 Wuster wrote:
Then why did Aguiliac have Yoda as a 60% favorite?
Then why did Aguiliac have Yoda as a 60% favorite?
Even if that wasn't the case still too much of a line move though.
Pinnacle voids Dark vs. San bets due to match manipulation…
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
Even if that wasn't the case still too much of a line move though. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On March 18 2015 05:44 Wuster wrote: Then why did Aguiliac have Yoda as a 60% favorite? Because Aligulac isn't good at predicting lesser known players' matches. I'd guess Pinnacle didn't void it because even if the line movement looks strange, maybe that's just because hardly any money was bet on Yoda before so that it was easily changed. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10710 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12450 Posts
On March 18 2015 04:54 pure.Wasted wrote: What on god's green earth is going on? In this case, overreaction by the 2+2 forums. If you follow the thread you can see that every time there is action on a line they are freaking out, which is understandable. Today there was literally the same thing on the Terror match, but then Byul won, so it was dismissed afterwards. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 18 2015 06:38 Nebuchad wrote: In this case, overreaction by the 2+2 forums. If you follow the thread you can see that every time there is action on a line they are freaking out, which is understandable. Today there was literally the same thing on the Terror match, but then Byul won, so it was dismissed afterwards. huh that is interesting, i always wondered if there are lines where the big money loses in the end. Imo that alone makes the whole situation a lot less worrying | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On March 18 2015 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:Today there was literally the same thing on the Terror match, but then Byul won, so it was dismissed afterwards. Whoa, OK, I'm with The_Red_Viper. That's pretty huge. Thanks for letting us know. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On March 18 2015 06:33 Blargh wrote: Meh, too much speculation. I really do wish people would follow the "Innocent until proven guilty" principle a bit more. Sure, betting lines looked abnormal. But that's still far from proof of match-fixing. It's proof of something strange at the very least. Not necessarily these most recent games, but the San vs Dark and Innovation Super bets stand out. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12450 Posts
On March 18 2015 06:44 The_Red_Viper wrote: huh that is interesting, i always wondered if there are lines where the big money loses in the end. Imo that alone makes the whole situation a lot less worrying Well Pinnacle made a distinction between what happened today and what happened in other cases. I see no reason not to make the same distinction. | ||
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Penev
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 18 2015 06:49 Nebuchad wrote: Well Pinnacle made a distinction between what happened today and what happened in other cases. I see no reason not to make the same distinction. Well from the outside it looks pretty much the same, no? We only have the line movements, that was pretty much the whole worrying part. I don't know why pinnacle didn't think it was worth it to void the bets though. Still curious if there were voided bets in the past where the favorite lost. | ||
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
Obviously the guy who was playing more passively was going to have an advantage in that situation + the pressure of being on his teams last life. Yoda is a great player and I have always enjoyed watching his play but failing to do damage early on with his banshees and seeing a 3 cc build from a mech player when you are playing a bio style could put anyone on tilt without the other external factors. To accuse someone of throwing a game.... this is career ending stuff and should not be thrown about lightly. People should think before throwing wild accusations about. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12450 Posts
On March 18 2015 06:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well from the outside it looks pretty much the same, no? We only have the line movements, that was pretty much the whole worrying part. Sure but what it looks like from the outside isn't that relevant: apparently they don't look the same from the inside, as one was voided and one wasn't. I wish we could be more specific, but we can't. | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
The Byul vs Terror line was indeed odd. I am not gonna deny that. There are however also a lot of casual betters out there. There are some plausible reasons out there why this was the case. Maybe they read into byuls recent loss against terror for example. There is a HUGE difference between a strange line like Byul Terror and a RIDICULOUS line between Bunny and Yoda. The yoda line was the most ridiculous line i have ever seen which wasn't voided. I would estimate that the first one was ~10% off while the yoda line was over 30% off. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12450 Posts
On March 18 2015 07:07 StarGalaxy wrote: There is a HUGE difference between a strange line like Byul Terror and a RIDICULOUS line between Bunny and Yoda. The yoda line was the most ridiculous line i have ever seen which wasn't voided. I would estimate that the first one was ~10% off while the yoda line was over 30% off. Maybe you should tell that to all the other professionals on 2+2 who were ready to jump if Terror won his game. Oh, wait, you were one of them. Also, way not to mention the first thing at all in your original post about today, that was completely honest of you. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On March 18 2015 06:33 Blargh wrote: Meh, too much speculation. I really do wish people would follow the "Innocent until proven guilty" principle a bit more. Sure, betting lines looked abnormal. But that's still far from proof of match-fixing. Innocent until proven guilty does not mean you are not allowed to talk about, think about and investigate it. And because User A,B and C are not able to investigate, they try to get this to people that can. | ||
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illidanx
United States973 Posts
On March 18 2015 05:44 Wuster wrote: Then why did Aguiliac have Yoda as a 60% favorite? Lol, you seriously use Auiliac for betting? Edit: wrong quote. | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
If Terror would have won that game I for sure would have had a strange feeling about it. Not because Terror didn't have a chance but because the combination of him winning and him beeing heavily overrated would have been a very big coincidence. I mean that's how people make money from betting. They identify good bets. The Byul vs Terror line were just a bid too good to be true that's all. But like I said there is still a big difference between the two cases. I am not sure i understand your 2nd sentence correctly. I don't see a connection between those two cases. The one was probably one of the best betting opporunities this month while the other was crying match fixing. | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On March 18 2015 06:38 Nebuchad wrote: In this case, overreaction by the 2+2 forums. If you follow the thread you can see that every time there is action on a line they are freaking out, which is understandable. Today there was literally the same thing on the Terror match, but then Byul won, so it was dismissed afterwards. You are trying to present it like people from 2+2 are just some salty bunch who lost a bet and throwing accusations for no reason. I believe that the match was 80-90% shady, if not a direct fix, then something like tipping off a build or something along those lines. By the way, i actually did make money on Bunny winning, but this was the last time i will be betting on the Proleague matches because its very clear that there is some serious matchfixing concentrated there, compared to the other tournaments. To make things worse, voided bets did absolutely nothing to help the case, no investigation was launched, no announcements or any feedback at all from Kespa was received. If anything, i suspect that it only made the fixers more cautious, so a lot more rigged matches will fly under anyone's radar from now on. If people want to live in denial dreamland, burrying heads in sand while a group of criminals make money off matchfixing/inside information - its their choice. If you think its normal that 60% favorite goes to 30% underdog 3 minutes before the match starts and wins by blindly executing the perfect counter build - suit yourself. The fact that Buyl-Terror line was manipulated during the same timeframe actually makes things worse, not better (like you suggested). If i had to guess it was either a red herring, or a line manipulating to get money on the Byul before the line closed. But whatever. In the end, nothing will be done, people will just keep protecting players no matter what and ignoring the piling cases of shady line movements in the Proleague. "innocent until proven guilty". Okay. Enjoy your Wrestlemania aka korean Sc2. | ||
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