Matchfixing is a very serious offence and accusations of matchfixing should not be made lightly. Please avoid making accusations against specific individuals unless you have substantial proof, or until further information is released. (0620 KST)

Ronski

Finland266 Posts

January 20 2015 17:55 GMT

#21

We apologise for the inconvenience this causes for anyone betting on this match in good faith, but hope you will appreciate that protecting the integrity of eSports is of paramount importance.

-How does throwing accusations without any proof besides "our patterns which we will not show to anyone", help protect the integrity of esports?

Accusing Dark and San of matchfixing without pursuing it further, it is a serious matter and they should do more than just nullify bets of a single match.

Blargh

United States2103 Posts

January 20 2015 17:55 GMT

#22

On January 21 2015 02:51 Gwavajuice wrote:
Could this be a way for a betting website to not pay the winners if the outcome is very defavorable to the bet site?

San was not outplayed in a really shocking way, was he?

The only debatable moment was when San blinked all of his stalkers into a roach hydra army of comparable size, losing most of his army. Protoss players get overconfident and do that all the time, though, and it wasn't the worst "throw" out there.

goodCat14

44 Posts

January 20 2015 17:55 GMT

#23

God, I really hope they are wrong. I would like to hear an evidence for this statement.

Yrr

Germany805 Posts

January 20 2015 17:57 GMT

#24

At the end its an advertisement strategy from pinnacle and nothing more.

Lorning

Belgica34432 Posts

January 20 2015 17:57 GMT

#25

Let's be smart and wait for facts before accusing ok?

Dangermousecatdog

United Kingdom7084 Posts

January 20 2015 17:57 GMT

#26

Sounds like this betting company has found a way to not pay out when it will lose money.

OtherWorld

France17333 Posts

January 20 2015 17:57 GMT

#27

Well I guess KeSPA is kinda forced to start investigating that now. We should wait for facts, the twitter feed of the guy doesn't even indicate that he knows the match has been fixed.

TheFlock

United States389 Posts

January 20 2015 17:58 GMT

#28

No I can't believe this is actually real, when a 3rd party betting site calls matchfixing when Kespa itself didn't think it was dodgy?

And then who is this guy that claims it is correct? Random guy?

Anacreor

Netherlands291 Posts

January 20 2015 17:59 GMT

#29

So if the bet patterns are off, this could in theory be caused by pure coincidence, right? I find it hard to believe, especially from San. Not that Dark is that untrustworthy, definitely not, but San just seems a really honest guy.. I hope this is coincidence.

ThomasjServo

15244 Posts

January 20 2015 17:59 GMT

#30

On January 21 2015 02:55 Ronski wrote:
We apologise for the inconvenience this causes for anyone betting on this match in good faith, but hope you will appreciate that protecting the integrity of eSports is of paramount importance.

-How does throwing accusations without any proof besides "our patterns which we will not show to anyone", help protect the integrity of esports?

Accusing Dark and San of matchfixing without pursuing it further, it is a serious matter and they should do more than just nullify bets of a single match.

I used to work in retail fraud, and despite there not being a 1:1 between the fraud types, there are broader archetypes in any scheme which would be indicative of manipulation. They have no motivation to show their logic, because it could improve their competitor's models. However few they would be.

Lonyo

United Kingdom3884 Posts

January 20 2015 18:00 GMT

#31

The match was played recently.
Pinnacle probably received reports of match fixing/looked at the betting patterns.

To be responsible, it is reasonable to expect them to let people know their bets are cancelled and why.
Further to be responsible, it's better to not release accusations without going through things properly. That ends in a half-accusation of match fixing like we have now.

However, rather than saying Pinnacle are bad for stating that bets are void due to match fixing, but not coming out with outright accusations when they probably don't yet have full information, to all those people complaining, tell us how you would handle the situation of having to notify people their bets are cancelled due to match fixing possibilities without saying half-informed statements about the match fixing itself because you haven't fully investigated yet.
Do please tell us all how you would "do it better".

There could be many things, such as leaking a specific strategy to allow it to be countered, or one player being paid, or the coach being paid to send out a player who is off his game.
That's why Pinnacle don't state one player is responsible, because they probably don't know for sure and are working based on what they do know, so don't want to accuse anyone outright.

They said "was not played on a fair basis", rather than saying it was fixed.

SetGuitarsToKill

Canada28396 Posts

January 20 2015 18:00 GMT

#32

On January 21 2015 02:55 Nebuchad wrote:
SGTK got there first, I should have known :/

Someone on reddit posted it 5 minutes before me, I stole it from him

AWalker9

United Kingdom7229 Posts

January 20 2015 18:00 GMT

#33

Hopefully this is a false positive

I can't image San would ever throw a match for money :/

Djzapz

Canada10681 Posts

January 20 2015 18:00 GMT

#34

This very easily could be due to people spouting crap. Not long ago in the CSGO community some pro player accused a team of throwing before the match happened, he then said he was screwing around and there's no evidence that the match was thrown. The pro player was famously a troll.

Also people have serious incentives to cast doubt on the outcome of games. I wouldn't assume this to be true until we get some more info.

Daswollvieh

5553 Posts

January 20 2015 18:01 GMT

#35

So everybody bets on Dark, even though the players´ chances of success are not that far from each other and that leads them to believe it was a set up.

People bet on Starcraft matches, wtf, seriously...

terrancake

Sweden30 Posts

January 20 2015 18:01 GMT

#36

Lets be fair, they aren't really claiming they cheated. Just voided all bets because of suspicion.

It happens quite often in the betting community when it comes to low leagues or obscure sports.
Try betting on football for division 5 games or low division youth teams and you'll see what I mean

It is automatically detected and it takes into consideration amount of bets, size of bets and the time of the bets.
If an unusual amount of bets happens or very high bets happens that are way out of the ordinary they just void every bet.

The players/teams aren't always directly involved, it could be information that leaked. Let's say a goalkeeper has some hand pain and has to play on painkillers. The goalie then proclaims unofficially to one of his friends that he can't feel anything and the ball feels like a wet soap.
Some people find out about it and starts betting high amounts on that game. This triggers the warning system because multiple high bets in a short interval was placed on a match that should not have lots of these types of bets.

There was a documentary on it not so long ago in Swedish television. Sweden has had some problems with alleged match-fixing in the Swedish football leagues.

Jono7272

United Kingdom6330 Posts

January 20 2015 18:02 GMT

#37

On January 21 2015 02:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:

This guy claims to have evidence it was fixed. Very interesting. Make sure to read all his tweets.

This guy doesn't seem to know any more than anyone else, just happened to have bet on it.