• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:09
CEST 11:09
KST 18:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism0Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?105Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly SC2 INu's Battles#20 [BO.9]
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro16 Group B [ASL22] Ro24 Group F [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV EVE Corporation [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7775 users

Pinnacle voids Dark vs. San bets due to match manipulation…

Forum Index > SC2 General
1079 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 52 53 54 Next
Matchfixing is a very serious offence and accusations of matchfixing should not be made lightly. Please avoid making accusations against specific individuals unless you have substantial proof, or until further information is released. (0620 KST)
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
January 20 2015 18:05 GMT
#41
I'm pretty sure the website loses no money...aren't they just an entity that hosts the whole process and skim a few penny's off every bet? Like the poster above said, it probably has to do with bets that triggered the system not actual match fixing
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#42
On January 21 2015 02:55 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 02:51 Gwavajuice wrote:
Could this be a way for a betting website to not pay the winners if the outcome is very defavorable to the bet site?

San was not outplayed in a really shocking way, was he?

The only debatable moment was when San blinked all of his stalkers into a roach hydra army of comparable size, losing most of his army. Protoss players get overconfident and do that all the time, though, and it wasn't the worst "throw" out there.

There was more than just that. He didn't mineral walk his scout probe and lost it to 2 zerglings, he lost his mothership core to one queen at dark's nat, and I'm only halfway through
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 18:07:11
January 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#43
On January 21 2015 03:02 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 02:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:


This guy claims to have evidence it was fixed. Very interesting. Make sure to read all his tweets.

This guy doesn't seem to know any more than anyone else, just happened to have bet on it.

Gotta love the "PinnacleSports agrees". Just like if a betting site is the authority in that matter.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
January 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#44
Now I'm in a shitty mood cause of this stupid allegation without any details whatsoever, a statement like this should not be taken lightly and that's what their doing
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#45
Hmmm, strance claims. Need more proof.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
January 20 2015 18:07 GMT
#46
On January 21 2015 03:04 Jeyopo wrote:

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 18:08:10
January 20 2015 18:07 GMT
#47
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
January 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#48
No one has any evidence that San threw this game but by watching odds on pinnacle esports it is clear that someone put larger amount of money on Dark (5 figure amount probably) which is quite uncommon.
That's what this guy Oliver is referring to, it was indeed quite suspicious to anyone following sc2 bets.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#49
On January 21 2015 02:58 TheFlock wrote:
No I can't believe this is actually real, when a 3rd party betting site calls matchfixing when Kespa itself didn't think it was dodgy?

And then who is this guy that claims it is correct? Random guy?

Well, hypothetically if there was a fixed match with odd bets how do you not expect the actual betting site to notice it ahead of Kespa?
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
January 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#50
On January 21 2015 03:07 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:04 Jeyopo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557533225975676929

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

This guy is essentially crapping on San's reputation
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#51
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

Do we know who this guy is?
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Jeyopo
Profile Joined November 2012
France35 Posts
January 20 2015 18:09 GMT
#52
On January 21 2015 03:07 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:04 Jeyopo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557533225975676929

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Accusations without evidence ?
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
January 20 2015 18:10 GMT
#53
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

What does "line movement" even mean?
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
January 20 2015 18:10 GMT
#54
On January 21 2015 03:08 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

Do we know who this guy is?


Someone who probably put money on San it seems.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 18:11:51
January 20 2015 18:10 GMT
#55
On January 21 2015 03:08 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

Do we know who this guy is?

looks like it's somebody who does a lot of esportsbets and therefore watches line movement and stuff like that a lot
On January 21 2015 03:10 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

What does "line movement" even mean?

I don't bet but I think it's the way the odds change depending on how much money people have bet on the players respectively
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 20 2015 18:10 GMT
#56
On January 21 2015 03:06 Jer99 wrote:
Now I'm in a shitty mood cause of this stupid allegation without any details whatsoever, a statement like this should not be taken lightly and that's what their doing

If you read the guy's timeline, he says there was so much action on dark (10s of thousands of dollars) shortly before the match that it pushed san's odds up to 5/1, which is certainly out of line from what you would expect for a pl match
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
TheFlock
Profile Joined September 2011
United States389 Posts
January 20 2015 18:11 GMT
#57
So this guy noticed that the betting line looked different, says it could be being fixed, and then seems pretty sure after and is even saying that Kespa agrees that is looks very fishy? is there any source for that?? There is nothing on their twitter about it
Maru | DeMusliM | TLO
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 20 2015 18:11 GMT
#58
On January 21 2015 03:06 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 02:55 Blargh wrote:
On January 21 2015 02:51 Gwavajuice wrote:
Could this be a way for a betting website to not pay the winners if the outcome is very defavorable to the bet site?

San was not outplayed in a really shocking way, was he?

The only debatable moment was when San blinked all of his stalkers into a roach hydra army of comparable size, losing most of his army. Protoss players get overconfident and do that all the time, though, and it wasn't the worst "throw" out there.

There was more than just that. He didn't mineral walk his scout probe and lost it to 2 zerglings, he lost his mothership core to one queen at dark's nat, and I'm only halfway through

He made lots of bad mistakes like this vs Life in blizzcon. Lost his MSC to queen easily, lost probe placing pylons etc. I mean it's not like he's a guy who hasn't made horrible mistakes before. His reputation for like the first 2 years of his career was based off that.
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 20 2015 18:11 GMT
#59
On January 21 2015 03:08 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

Do we know who this guy is?

Apparently a poker player who also bets on stuff
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Hydro033
Profile Joined July 2012
United States136 Posts
January 20 2015 18:12 GMT
#60
I'm pretty fucking emotion threw some matches in Zotac cup. He loses 1-2 to slivko and 1-2 to Bly? Really?? The odds were insane. What is to stop these guys form rigging this? They can make a fortune.
#Wet4Ret
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 52 53 54 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 51m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 810
BeSt 566
Larva 216
hero 140
soO 117
Hm[arnc] 40
Sharp 28
ZergMaN 19
sSak 18
Terrorterran 14
[ Show more ]
Yoon 6
League of Legends
JimRising 504
KnowMe46
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1039
shoxiejesuss886
edward52
Other Games
ceh9726
XaKoH 350
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 27
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 9
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2261
League of Legends
• Jankos1631
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
51m
Leta vs ggaemo
Jaedong vs Queen
GSL
1h 51m
PiGosaur Cup
14h 51m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Escore
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
5 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.