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Matchfixing is a very serious offence and accusations of matchfixing should not be made lightly. Please avoid making accusations against specific individuals unless you have substantial proof, or until further information is released. (0620 KST)
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
January 20 2015 18:05 GMT
#41
I'm pretty sure the website loses no money...aren't they just an entity that hosts the whole process and skim a few penny's off every bet? Like the poster above said, it probably has to do with bets that triggered the system not actual match fixing
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#42
On January 21 2015 02:55 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 02:51 Gwavajuice wrote:
Could this be a way for a betting website to not pay the winners if the outcome is very defavorable to the bet site?

San was not outplayed in a really shocking way, was he?

The only debatable moment was when San blinked all of his stalkers into a roach hydra army of comparable size, losing most of his army. Protoss players get overconfident and do that all the time, though, and it wasn't the worst "throw" out there.

There was more than just that. He didn't mineral walk his scout probe and lost it to 2 zerglings, he lost his mothership core to one queen at dark's nat, and I'm only halfway through
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 18:07:11
January 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#43
On January 21 2015 03:02 Jono7272 wrote:
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On January 21 2015 02:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:


This guy claims to have evidence it was fixed. Very interesting. Make sure to read all his tweets.

This guy doesn't seem to know any more than anyone else, just happened to have bet on it.

Gotta love the "PinnacleSports agrees". Just like if a betting site is the authority in that matter.
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
January 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#44
Now I'm in a shitty mood cause of this stupid allegation without any details whatsoever, a statement like this should not be taken lightly and that's what their doing
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#45
Hmmm, strance claims. Need more proof.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8254 Posts
January 20 2015 18:07 GMT
#46
On January 21 2015 03:04 Jeyopo wrote:

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 18:08:10
January 20 2015 18:07 GMT
#47
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
January 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#48
No one has any evidence that San threw this game but by watching odds on pinnacle esports it is clear that someone put larger amount of money on Dark (5 figure amount probably) which is quite uncommon.
That's what this guy Oliver is referring to, it was indeed quite suspicious to anyone following sc2 bets.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#49
On January 21 2015 02:58 TheFlock wrote:
No I can't believe this is actually real, when a 3rd party betting site calls matchfixing when Kespa itself didn't think it was dodgy?

And then who is this guy that claims it is correct? Random guy?

Well, hypothetically if there was a fixed match with odd bets how do you not expect the actual betting site to notice it ahead of Kespa?
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
January 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#50
On January 21 2015 03:07 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:04 Jeyopo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557533225975676929

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

This guy is essentially crapping on San's reputation
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#51
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

Do we know who this guy is?
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Jeyopo
Profile Joined November 2012
France35 Posts
January 20 2015 18:09 GMT
#52
On January 21 2015 03:07 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:04 Jeyopo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557533225975676929

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Accusations without evidence ?
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
January 20 2015 18:10 GMT
#53
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

What does "line movement" even mean?
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
January 20 2015 18:10 GMT
#54
On January 21 2015 03:08 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

Do we know who this guy is?


Someone who probably put money on San it seems.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 18:11:51
January 20 2015 18:10 GMT
#55
On January 21 2015 03:08 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

Do we know who this guy is?

looks like it's somebody who does a lot of esportsbets and therefore watches line movement and stuff like that a lot
On January 21 2015 03:10 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

What does "line movement" even mean?

I don't bet but I think it's the way the odds change depending on how much money people have bet on the players respectively
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 20 2015 18:10 GMT
#56
On January 21 2015 03:06 Jer99 wrote:
Now I'm in a shitty mood cause of this stupid allegation without any details whatsoever, a statement like this should not be taken lightly and that's what their doing

If you read the guy's timeline, he says there was so much action on dark (10s of thousands of dollars) shortly before the match that it pushed san's odds up to 5/1, which is certainly out of line from what you would expect for a pl match
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TheFlock
Profile Joined September 2011
United States389 Posts
January 20 2015 18:11 GMT
#57
So this guy noticed that the betting line looked different, says it could be being fixed, and then seems pretty sure after and is even saying that Kespa agrees that is looks very fishy? is there any source for that?? There is nothing on their twitter about it
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 20 2015 18:11 GMT
#58
On January 21 2015 03:06 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 02:55 Blargh wrote:
On January 21 2015 02:51 Gwavajuice wrote:
Could this be a way for a betting website to not pay the winners if the outcome is very defavorable to the bet site?

San was not outplayed in a really shocking way, was he?

The only debatable moment was when San blinked all of his stalkers into a roach hydra army of comparable size, losing most of his army. Protoss players get overconfident and do that all the time, though, and it wasn't the worst "throw" out there.

There was more than just that. He didn't mineral walk his scout probe and lost it to 2 zerglings, he lost his mothership core to one queen at dark's nat, and I'm only halfway through

He made lots of bad mistakes like this vs Life in blizzcon. Lost his MSC to queen easily, lost probe placing pylons etc. I mean it's not like he's a guy who hasn't made horrible mistakes before. His reputation for like the first 2 years of his career was based off that.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 20 2015 18:11 GMT
#59
On January 21 2015 03:08 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:07 rednusa wrote:
If look at this guys tweets for today it seemed like he was making specific accusations during the game too:

https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/557502544574820352

Do we know who this guy is?

Apparently a poker player who also bets on stuff
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Hydro033
Profile Joined July 2012
United States136 Posts
January 20 2015 18:12 GMT
#60
I'm pretty fucking emotion threw some matches in Zotac cup. He loses 1-2 to slivko and 1-2 to Bly? Really?? The odds were insane. What is to stop these guys form rigging this? They can make a fortune.
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