EPTPinnacle voids Dark vs. San bets due to match manipulation…
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Naikonz
Romania65 Posts
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just_mo
United States23 Posts
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:40 Ej_ wrote: there's a fucking post above you with San's tournament winnings in 2014. 67 thousand American dollars Not taking into account his salary, top notch player like parting was on 90k a year, lets say san is getting 40k he's not going to throw that salary away (probably got another two years health complying) for a decent but small relatively amount of cash. I could see it happening perhaps just before they plan on retiring. (Inbefore someone says he's planning on retiring because of health and he that's another thing to add to the circumstantial evidence) | ||
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MrVideo
Ireland132 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:42 just_mo wrote: It is in the sense that losing it is unlikely to cost his team much, especially considering they were facing the top team in the league and therefore expected to lose anyway. The upside is he gets 2k, the downside is his team loses a game they were overwhelmingly likely to lose anyway. So say it comes to match score to see who gets into the playoffs this round, and ST-Yoe are down by 1 game and get knocked out. Who's fault is that now? | ||
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just_mo
United States23 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:40 Ej_ wrote: there's a fucking post above you with San's tournament winnings in 2014. 67 thousand American dollars. You have to be really fucking stupid to think that a player of San's caliber could matchfix Really? | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
Pinnacle would not refund the bets unless they had pretty conclusive evidence. That's what people are not realizing. I assume we know relatively little about player salaries but put yourself in the place of the players making peanuts. Someone offers you 2k to lose one random match that will be quickly forgotten about if you win the next few after that. How many of these guys are saying no to that? That's why this will always be a threat. [/QUOTE I doubt San is only making peanuts, but you also have to think that would he risk his ENTIRE career on something like this. Blaming someone for match fixing is the E-sport equivalent of saying someone is a pedophile and as long as there is no proof of San´s guilt we should be careful not to blame him or anyone. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
to be fair Savior is a piece of crap, I don't think San is | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:35 Doodsmack wrote: Honestly don't know why this is deserving of front page TL news. Is it really newsworthy that a betting site voided bets? Because it's very far from proven that any matchfixing occurred. That should be reason enough for this not to be front page community news. All we know is that a lot of bets were placed on Dark late and San didn't play very well. If you claim based on that that you think matchfixing occurred, then you need to learn what a leap of logic is. Of course this is news worthy. The only thing we know is that Pinnacle has suspicions of betting manipulation. It's not a far leap to assume their suspicions are correct as this is their business and they are a major, major player. But this leaves us with so many questions. We just don't know who or why the betting was manipulated. Could they be testing the fraud detection? Could they have found some flaw in Pinnacle's software they tried to exploit? Was some Saudi prince drunk one night / lost a bar bet? And of course, was the match actually fixed? Clearly we don't know which if any are the case. But most of the possibilities would have pretty serious consequences for SC2 no? eSports is hardly a squeaky clean business despite what we wish for, remember the all the fake / shady teams? Remember Solar being offered money to throw a game (thanks for the reminder Aeromi)? Remember how Coco-Byun were banned for actually fixing a game? (even if you think Coco - Byun were messing around, Coco still literally threw the game). Edit: Oh ya, WCS Axiom, just #1230981203981 for why I'm a Crank anti-fan. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:45 LongShot27 wrote: to be fair Savior is a piece of crap, I don't think San is to be fair none of those guys was on a foreign team willing to fly them overseas to win tournaments because you know, that wasn't a thing | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:45 LongShot27 wrote: to be fair Savior is a piece of crap, I don't think San is Savior was not match fixing his own matches as far as any investigation could tell. There was also a match fixing ring. And there was far more involved in that investigation than a single odd betting pattern. You cannot apply the same label to San as Savior because of ONE match being thrown out. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
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just_mo
United States23 Posts
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:47 just_mo wrote: I'm not really saying anyone's a piece of crap TBH. Not gonna throw stones at kids who play games for a living for a small salary taking a fat chunk of cash to lose an extra game here or there, not really all that irrational. Grown men and women make worse decisions than that every day. Your posting history is awful. San makes ~100k $ last year, he plays the best team league ever on a decent team. There is no proof of him match fixing his own match. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:47 just_mo wrote: I'm not really saying anyone's a piece of crap TBH. Not gonna throw stones at kids who play games for a living for a small salary taking a fat chunk of cash to lose an extra game here or there, not really all that irrational. Grown men and women make worse decisions than that every day. Stop generalizing shit you don't know about. The salaries aren't that bad and also he made over 60k last year from prize money alone. Do you even read what other people post? It may not be irrational to you but that's probably because you really don't have a clue at all how it works. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
They even issued a PR http://www.pinnaclesports.com/en/notice/esports-statement?ito=twitter at what point is it okay to talk about it? | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:51 Ej_ wrote: again you don't understand that the person in question doesn't make "a small salary" Roundabout 100k$ last year isnt the big salary you think off. Its not even 10k per month and with match fixing you can easily gain 2-5k... in one day, save. | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:51 Ej_ wrote: edit: w/e not worth anyone's time, guy should just fuck off Personally i would also like to believe that San is a nice guy instead of a total dick. | ||
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just_mo
United States23 Posts
Match-fixing has happened before and it's happening now. If you had any doubt, look no further than Soler saying he was offered 2k to throw a game. You think every single player is as conscientious as he is? So when stuff like this happens, it should be taken very seriously. Good luck policing your game, hopefully there are enough people who want to remain vigilant and realistic about this stuff to keep it somewhat in check. I hope so, since I enjoy watching the games every now and again. | ||
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