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Matchfixing is a very serious offence and accusations of matchfixing should not be made lightly. Please avoid making accusations against specific individuals unless you have substantial proof, or until further information is released. (0620 KST)
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
January 20 2015 20:54 GMT
#301
On January 21 2015 05:53 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 05:51 Ej_ wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:47 just_mo wrote:
I'm not really saying anyone's a piece of crap TBH. Not gonna throw stones at kids who play games for a living for a small salary taking a fat chunk of cash to lose an extra game here or there, not really all that irrational. Grown men and women make worse decisions than that every day.

again you don't understand that the person in question doesn't make "a small salary"


Roundabout 100k$ last year isnt the big salary you think off. Its not even 10k per month and with match fixing you can easily gain 2-5k... in one day, save.

10k in a month is a lot of money.
just_mo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States23 Posts
January 20 2015 20:55 GMT
#302
On January 21 2015 05:54 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 05:53 Clonester wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:51 Ej_ wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:47 just_mo wrote:
I'm not really saying anyone's a piece of crap TBH. Not gonna throw stones at kids who play games for a living for a small salary taking a fat chunk of cash to lose an extra game here or there, not really all that irrational. Grown men and women make worse decisions than that every day.

again you don't understand that the person in question doesn't make "a small salary"


Roundabout 100k$ last year isnt the big salary you think off. Its not even 10k per month and with match fixing you can easily gain 2-5k... in one day, save.

10k in a month is a lot of money.


And 2k in 15m is some sort of hourly rate.
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
January 20 2015 20:56 GMT
#303
Wtf is Pinnacle? Never heard of it... T__T

People should stfu if there is no real evidence.
Hello
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
January 20 2015 20:56 GMT
#304
On January 21 2015 05:55 just_mo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 05:54 RaFox17 wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:53 Clonester wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:51 Ej_ wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:47 just_mo wrote:
I'm not really saying anyone's a piece of crap TBH. Not gonna throw stones at kids who play games for a living for a small salary taking a fat chunk of cash to lose an extra game here or there, not really all that irrational. Grown men and women make worse decisions than that every day.

again you don't understand that the person in question doesn't make "a small salary"


Roundabout 100k$ last year isnt the big salary you think off. Its not even 10k per month and with match fixing you can easily gain 2-5k... in one day, save.

10k in a month is a lot of money.


And 2k in 15m is some sort of hourly rate.

2k in 15minutes+destroy your entire career as a bonus.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
January 20 2015 20:57 GMT
#305
One odd betting pattern doesn't mean the match is being thrown. There's whole lot of baseless accusations going on here and it's sad that San is being thrown under the bus like that when there's no concrete proof yet.

If we are just going to accuse things without evidence, I can say that Pinnacle notice some big bets were made on Dark and there would be huge payouts, so they decide to pull this stunt to avoid paying. Just saying.
Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
January 20 2015 20:58 GMT
#306
On January 21 2015 05:53 just_mo wrote:
If you had any doubt, look no further than Soler saying he was offered 2k to throw a game.

Source? I never heard anything about it, and am curious.
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Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 21:07:48
January 20 2015 20:59 GMT
#307
On January 21 2015 05:56 Keeemy wrote:
Wtf is Pinnacle? Never heard of it... T__T

People should stfu if there is no real evidence.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Sports

If you don't bet or live in the US then you don't know, but that's a poor reason to dismiss them completely.

On January 21 2015 05:58 Redrot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 05:53 just_mo wrote:
If you had any doubt, look no further than Soler saying he was offered 2k to throw a game.

Source? I never heard anything about it, and am curious.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/450607-solar-received-an-offer-to-fix-a-game

Edit: I haven't read this in a while, notice that KeSPA even states that other players and teams have been approached to throw games? Crazy stuff, and that was 8 months ago.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 20 2015 20:59 GMT
#308
On January 21 2015 05:58 Redrot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 05:53 just_mo wrote:
If you had any doubt, look no further than Soler saying he was offered 2k to throw a game.

Source? I never heard anything about it, and am curious.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/450607-solar-received-an-offer-to-fix-a-game
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
January 20 2015 20:59 GMT
#309
On January 21 2015 05:58 Redrot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 05:53 just_mo wrote:
If you had any doubt, look no further than Soler saying he was offered 2k to throw a game.

Source? I never heard anything about it, and am curious.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/450607-solar-received-an-offer-to-fix-a-game
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
January 20 2015 20:59 GMT
#310
On January 21 2015 05:56 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 05:55 just_mo wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:54 RaFox17 wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:53 Clonester wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:51 Ej_ wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:47 just_mo wrote:
I'm not really saying anyone's a piece of crap TBH. Not gonna throw stones at kids who play games for a living for a small salary taking a fat chunk of cash to lose an extra game here or there, not really all that irrational. Grown men and women make worse decisions than that every day.

again you don't understand that the person in question doesn't make "a small salary"


Roundabout 100k$ last year isnt the big salary you think off. Its not even 10k per month and with match fixing you can easily gain 2-5k... in one day, save.

10k in a month is a lot of money.


And 2k in 15m is some sort of hourly rate.

2k in 15minutes+destroy your entire career as a bonus.

And threaten most of your closest friends career as well.

Can you fucking stop just_mo. Do you really just want to see a guy you haven't mets life get ruined without any proof whatsoever?

San even said he has been to the hospital, it should be stupidly easy to check if that's true. And Dark is playing really well now. San losing that game is no surprise. He did some mistakes but who doesn't do that.
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FrvPssn
Profile Joined August 2013
France402 Posts
January 20 2015 21:03 GMT
#311
What I get from reading this entire thread is it was a bad match from San due to his health issue; and that just_mo guy & some others are trying to do some PR for esport betting in general and Pinnacle in particular.

I get that you guys have a lot of knowledge about betting, we haven't got a clue, but IMHO you should just gtfo and do your marketing somewhere else.
For the night is dark and full of Terran!!!
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 20 2015 21:05 GMT
#312
This thread needs a mod note.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12379 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 21:05:59
January 20 2015 21:05 GMT
#313
ITT a bunch of people decide not to make their minds on stuff without seeing proof, and a small amount of people claim in return that the others are naive for not having inconditional trust in things they can't see.

That makes sense.
No will to live, no wish to die
Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
January 20 2015 21:06 GMT
#314
@all the people who sent me the links, thanks!
I root for CJ because their fb posts are hilarious
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
January 20 2015 21:06 GMT
#315
On January 21 2015 05:59 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 05:56 RaFox17 wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:55 just_mo wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:54 RaFox17 wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:53 Clonester wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:51 Ej_ wrote:
On January 21 2015 05:47 just_mo wrote:
I'm not really saying anyone's a piece of crap TBH. Not gonna throw stones at kids who play games for a living for a small salary taking a fat chunk of cash to lose an extra game here or there, not really all that irrational. Grown men and women make worse decisions than that every day.

again you don't understand that the person in question doesn't make "a small salary"


Roundabout 100k$ last year isnt the big salary you think off. Its not even 10k per month and with match fixing you can easily gain 2-5k... in one day, save.

10k in a month is a lot of money.


And 2k in 15m is some sort of hourly rate.

2k in 15minutes+destroy your entire career as a bonus.

And threaten most of your closest friends career as well.

Can you fucking stop just_mo. Do you really just want to see a guy you haven't mets life get ruined without any proof whatsoever?

San even said he has been to the hospital, it should be stupidly easy to check if that's true. And Dark is playing really well now. San losing that game is no surprise. He did some mistakes but who doesn't do that.


If San is innocent, its does suck for him, but in all honestly the greater danger is the integrity of the competition.

That has been called into question by Pinnalce, and as fans of the sport, we should insist that this matter get a great deal of attention.

Everyone is SC2 will have their livelihood ruined if fans don't believe in the sanctity of the competition.


Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
January 20 2015 21:07 GMT
#316
On January 21 2015 06:05 Nebuchad wrote:
ITT a bunch of people decide not to make their minds on stuff without seeing proof, and a small amount of people claim in return that the others are naive for not having inconditional trust in things they can't see.

That makes sense.


Sorry for thinking San is a honest person, I guess have to have the opinion everyone is out for a quick buck?
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 21:08:49
January 20 2015 21:08 GMT
#317
This thread is a huge mess.

Is there a strange betting pattern? Yes, Pinnacle says so.

Is there evidence (and I am saying ACTUAL EVIDENCE, not conjecture) that the match was fixed, let alone that San in particular was payed to throw the game? No, nothing indicates that.

So people should really stop talking shit on San for no reason whatsoever. It's fucking innocent until proved guilty, not the opposite. Besides, that's not our job to investigate on this, it's KeSPA's.

On January 21 2015 06:05 boxerfred wrote:
This thread needs a mod note.


It seriously does.
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dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 21:13:28
January 20 2015 21:12 GMT
#318
On January 21 2015 06:08 OtherWorld wrote:
This thread is a huge mess.

Is there a strange betting pattern? Yes, Pinnacle says so.

Is there evidence (and I am saying ACTUAL EVIDENCE, not conjecture) that the match was fixed, let alone that San in particular was payed to throw the game? No, nothing indicates that.

So people should really stop talking shit on San for no reason whatsoever. It's fucking innocent until proved guilty, not the opposite. Besides, that's not our job to investigate on this, it's KeSPA's.

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 06:05 boxerfred wrote:
This thread needs a mod note.


It seriously does.


http://www.pinnaclesports.com/en/notice/esports-statement?ito=twitter
Pinnacle said that the match "was not played on a fair basis"

What could that mean other than players were involved?

The math adds up to San threw the match. He's the one person that could control this outcome. At this point I think the onus is on him and KESPA to show that he didn't.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
January 20 2015 21:12 GMT
#319
On January 21 2015 06:08 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 06:05 boxerfred wrote:
This thread needs a mod note.


It seriously does.


I second that wholeheartedly.
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 21:13:16
January 20 2015 21:12 GMT
#320
On January 21 2015 03:47 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:46 Nukanukanuka wrote:
On January 21 2015 03:41 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 21 2015 03:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On January 21 2015 03:35 Jankoj wrote:
First Effort and Hydra getting acused of match fixing by their own coach and now this. wtf is going on in korea?

Hope this is resolved soon and we get some information.


It's completely different stories.
EffOrt and Hydra were accused apparently by Coach Park without any evidence, so there was just black cat between them.

Pinnacle is respected though, so it's not cool.
Even though, i don't see how T1 player can be involved in it, with oov even saying that he won't talk to Bisu at all if he plays showmatches against saviOr and San throwing intentionally seems random. Hope for best things ofc.


Dark is obviously not involved. If he was involved he could have just told San to go nexus first and 9-pooled him or something like that.

Shut up if your match fixing you gotta make it believable so fucks like you fall for it


So? What's unbelievable about what I said? It happens reasonably often, actually it happened in the last game of Soulkey vs San in GSL a few days ago...


But does san often nexus first?
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