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Mute City2363 Posts
On December 12 2014 16:56 Zealously wrote:
I disagree with the notion that Mvp is far enough ahead of Life and Taeja to warrant distinction. Mvp's result sheet may be the best of any player, but Taeja and especially Life are so close that Mvp is no longer considered better because of his results but because of some abstract "champion's essence". I can accept Mvp's being placed above Life and Taeja by merit of his achievements, but I'm hesitant to buy into the view of Mvp as untouchable. His career is being viewed through rose-tinted glasses.
The difficult part in my eyes is that the scenes are so vastly different. Mvp's run of tournaments was more consistent than anything that's been put together since, soO excluded. But that ignores the fact that there are so many weekend lans and online cups now than ever before - it would be exponentially harder to achieve that same level of consistency with the same travel requirements as TaeJa and Life go through. It's impossible to say how present day TaeJa would do in the 2011 environment, and equally impossible to comment on how Mvp might have done in the ultra-hectic scene we've got today prior to his broken body.
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On December 12 2014 17:16 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 16:56 Zealously wrote:
I disagree with the notion that Mvp is far enough ahead of Life and Taeja to warrant distinction. Mvp's result sheet may be the best of any player, but Taeja and especially Life are so close that Mvp is no longer considered better because of his results but because of some abstract "champion's essence". I can accept Mvp's being placed above Life and Taeja by merit of his achievements, but I'm hesitant to buy into the view of Mvp as untouchable. His career is being viewed through rose-tinted glasses. Taeja's achievements are nowhere near Mvp's or Life's, he still hasn't been able to win a GSL/WCS tournament
And HSC generally has the weakest playerpool, of which he has won 3 or something.
Anyway, the article was a fantastic read, thanks!
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The takeaway from this article is that the Premier title is given out too freely to SC2 tournaments. When there are 36 tourneys of the same class per year, it's time to separate the chaff from the wheat.
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Mvp has become the symbol of what it means to be a champion in SC2. Mvp is the one true king. He had it all whether it's his reign of terror or his struggling to win the championship and ultimately he won it all.
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Phenomenal aritcle!
And I feel fine...
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Mvp will come back and win 8 of the korean premiers in 2015. The new Mvp will be Mvp.
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Nicely written! I get some new vocabs from reading it too :D.
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Anyone have real news on Mvp? Like, if he's ok of carpal tunnel or if he is playing at all?
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Vatican City State431 Posts
MVP got lucky. He was dominant in a period when the best players were still playing BW. It all depends if Lotv comes with gimmicky units or not like Hots.
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On December 12 2014 16:56 Zealously wrote:
I disagree with the notion that Mvp is far enough ahead of Life and Taeja to warrant distinction. Mvp's result sheet may be the best of any player, but Taeja and especially Life are so close that Mvp is no longer considered better because of his results but because of some abstract "champion's essence". I can accept Mvp's being placed above Life and Taeja by merit of his achievements, but I'm hesitant to buy into the view of Mvp as untouchable. His career is being viewed through rose-tinted glasses.
you also have to consider that Mvp's reign came when people had little understanding of the game and almost no experience in the late game, hence why HuK was so sucessful, Mvp was able to counter peoples inexperience with his ability to outplay you in long series thats why he was successful. However I would argue as well that at their peaks Life, TaeJa, even DRG and Rain all were def better than Mvp
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On December 12 2014 17:31 Edpayasugo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 17:16 Dodgin wrote:On December 12 2014 16:56 Zealously wrote:
I disagree with the notion that Mvp is far enough ahead of Life and Taeja to warrant distinction. Mvp's result sheet may be the best of any player, but Taeja and especially Life are so close that Mvp is no longer considered better because of his results but because of some abstract "champion's essence". I can accept Mvp's being placed above Life and Taeja by merit of his achievements, but I'm hesitant to buy into the view of Mvp as untouchable. His career is being viewed through rose-tinted glasses. Taeja's achievements are nowhere near Mvp's or Life's, he still hasn't been able to win a GSL/WCS tournament And HSC generally has the weakest playerpool, of which he has won 3 or something. Anyway, the article was a fantastic read, thanks!
Whilst i def agree consider the fact that whilst TaeJa is no GSL elite, no GSL elite has done what he has Life on a lower degree is a hybrid of both as is MC...and Mvp won 4 GSLs which being the toughest tournament makes people think good of him.
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Little known fact: Van Gogh played protoss. His style is what inspired Zest to start playing.
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On December 12 2014 15:08 swag_bro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 13:54 FeyFey wrote:On December 12 2014 12:43 swag_bro wrote:
Of the people in the list, I'd say that Zest and soO are the weakest (right now at least, they could recover) because they are both in near unrecoverable slumps. They are good, but not as good as they could be. Look at recent things like SSL qualifiers, Blizzcon and the Hot6 Cup. It's almost unbelievable how players that achieve things like 4 consecutive GSL finals and 3 Korean tournament wins can fall this hard. I really wish the best for Zest and soO. I hope they can recover from their deep slumps. Their play is fun to watch. soO and to a lesser extend Zest always felt to me like they are good against people they know rather well. So they might both have a really hard time now with so many people returning to the Korean region, that usually have their own style. At least in the beginning of this year Zest and soO could have problems, maybe even longer with so many top players bunched together the meta will have a rocket on its back. I want MC to make it or no one though so I am biased. If MC ever wins a GSL ever again, I will buy all current active and future TL (only the SC2 forums) users TL+.
Quoted for future reference :D
You can never count out MC, he is always dangerous.
I'd love to see MC make it deep into 2015 GSLs. Hope he sees your post and gets even more motivated.
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I think only DRG and Life are eligible future bonjwas, but neither of them hold a candle to what i think it takes to be a bonjwa \= Taeja is, too, despite a lack of korean participation. Seeing Zest and soO mentioned is pretty silly, though.
And MVP played terran during a terran dominant era of SC2 in its least balanced state :D
I don't think we'll be having a bonjwa, I think there is something fundamentally different about this game that explains why.
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Zest's an artist
Great read btw!
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I've been into SC2 scene only after watching Life beat 'God' at some MLG tournament last year. What little I've seen of MVP throughout HotS hasn't been overly impressive. It seems to me that HotS is a lot more difficult game to play than WoL (for better or for worse what with all the random factors) and MVP stayed at the same level while everyone else improved.
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On December 12 2014 19:21 ReMinD_ wrote:
I've been into SC2 scene only after watching Life beat 'God' at some MLG tournament last year. What little I've seen of MVP throughout HotS hasn't been overly impressive. It seems to me that HotS is a lot more difficult game to play than WoL (for better or for worse what with all the random factors) and MVP stayed at the same level while everyone else improved.
You couldn't be more wrong my friend 
Do yourself a favor, go watch MVP vs Squirtle and MVP vs Nestea GSL finals
back on topic, I think that if INnoVation was to win like 2-3 GSL/S2SL he could be called the king of HotS, he's not there yet but he can achieve this...
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
2015 could be the best year of sc2 ever
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I don't post here much anymore but damn do I still read and watch me some Sc2, super excited for 2015. Thinking I'll have to do another trip to Seoul, one of the finals ends up the week of my birthday...
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 12 2014 19:05 p14c wrote:
MVP got lucky. He was dominant in a period when the best players were still playing BW. It all depends if Lotv comes with gimmicky units or not like Hots.
The best players like Life, Taeja, San, Parting, Marineking, MC? There's a long list of players that were nothing or didnt even play in Brood War that have won tournaments since the KESPA switch, so this argument holds little merit
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