• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:02
CEST 00:02
KST 07:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun10[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists21[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) ASL21 General Discussion [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options?
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [ASL21] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2508 users

Korea 2015: Battle for the Empty Throne - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
248 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
December 12 2014 04:00 GMT
#41
Mvp forever king.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
December 12 2014 04:24 GMT
#42
Lovely writeup stuchiu. You must of swallowed a dictionary in your youth.

..the only ones confirmed to not be in Korea are Polt, Violet, ForGG and Hydra.

Will be interesting to see how this effects the skill gap between Non-Koreans and Koreans.I'm guessing it's going to widen! I can understand Blizzards will to promote local talent around the globe, but I've got this thought in the back of my mind saying 16 Koreans at Blizzcon again.

Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
December 12 2014 04:34 GMT
#43
Well this was a surprise. Great read!
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
eskashaborn
Profile Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
December 12 2014 04:48 GMT
#44
Thanks , nice summary of what has come and what is to come!
zzzz
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
December 12 2014 04:50 GMT
#45
amazing read
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 12 2014 04:54 GMT
#46
On December 12 2014 12:43 swag_bro wrote:
Of the people in the list, I'd say that Zest and soO are the weakest (right now at least, they could recover) because they are both in near unrecoverable slumps. They are good, but not as good as they could be. Look at recent things like SSL qualifiers, Blizzcon and the Hot6 Cup. It's almost unbelievable how players that achieve things like 4 consecutive GSL finals and 3 Korean tournament wins can fall this hard. I really wish the best for Zest and soO. I hope they can recover from their deep slumps. Their play is fun to watch.


soO and to a lesser extend Zest always felt to me like they are good against people they know rather well. So they might both have a really hard time now with so many people returning to the Korean region, that usually have their own style. At least in the beginning of this year Zest and soO could have problems, maybe even longer with so many top players bunched together the meta will have a rocket on its back.

I want MC to make it or no one though so I am biased.
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
December 12 2014 04:55 GMT
#47
Excellent write-up!
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
iGX
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia414 Posts
December 12 2014 05:02 GMT
#48
good read and very well written. is there gonna be a part 2?
When your bases are ashes...then you have my permission to "GG".
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
December 12 2014 05:04 GMT
#49
On December 12 2014 12:06 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:02 MiniFotToss wrote:
What? Rain/Flash/Solar aren't on the Contender list and Taeja is???

#LiquidBias

so THATS why DRG San and sOs arent on the list
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-12 05:22:49
December 12 2014 05:16 GMT
#50
Koreans never should have been allowed out of Korea. I just want to slap Blizzard across the face every time someone reminds me they recently decided to do a region lock. It's one thing to do something stupid that makes no sense, but then not to commit to it and change your mind and do the smart thing everyone with a brain told you to do without admitting you were wrong in the first place is immature and classless.

And that puts MC in a weird spot, I don't think he really belongs on this list despite my love for him because he wasn't in Korea. Life is the best player, but I don't think anyone in the world will be able to touch MVP's achievements, there are too many good players, and the game is too volatile now. Say what you will about WOL, but the reason we had more consistent champions was because the game required more skill. The Widow Mine, Photon Overcharge and Swarm Hosts do not allow the greatests players in the world to display their skills.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
December 12 2014 05:27 GMT
#51
Can someone explain to me why Taeja is shrugged off from succeeding Mvp? I have to admit I didn't watch a lot of Korean SC2 when Mvp was dominating. But surely, Taeja's last 2 years have been pretty dominating are they not?
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 12 2014 05:28 GMT
#52
On December 12 2014 14:27 Brutaxilos wrote:
Can someone explain to me why Taeja is shrugged off from succeeding Mvp? I have to admit I didn't watch a lot of Korean SC2 when Mvp was dominating. But surely, Taeja's last 2 years have been pretty dominating are they not?

4 GSLs >>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 GSLs
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
kottbullar
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia490 Posts
December 12 2014 06:03 GMT
#53
On December 12 2014 14:27 Brutaxilos wrote:
Can someone explain to me why Taeja is shrugged off from succeeding Mvp? I have to admit I didn't watch a lot of Korean SC2 when Mvp was dominating. But surely, Taeja's last 2 years have been pretty dominating are they not?


I love TL players and highly against the prevalent korean-scene-best-scene mentality, but still I wouldn't say Taeja's career come close to being comparable to MVP's.
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
December 12 2014 06:08 GMT
#54
On December 12 2014 13:54 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:43 swag_bro wrote:
Of the people in the list, I'd say that Zest and soO are the weakest (right now at least, they could recover) because they are both in near unrecoverable slumps. They are good, but not as good as they could be. Look at recent things like SSL qualifiers, Blizzcon and the Hot6 Cup. It's almost unbelievable how players that achieve things like 4 consecutive GSL finals and 3 Korean tournament wins can fall this hard. I really wish the best for Zest and soO. I hope they can recover from their deep slumps. Their play is fun to watch.


soO and to a lesser extend Zest always felt to me like they are good against people they know rather well. So they might both have a really hard time now with so many people returning to the Korean region, that usually have their own style. At least in the beginning of this year Zest and soO could have problems, maybe even longer with so many top players bunched together the meta will have a rocket on its back.

I want MC to make it or no one though so I am biased.


If MC ever wins a GSL ever again, I will buy all current active and future TL (only the SC2 forums) users TL+.
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
arcane1129
Profile Joined January 2011
United States271 Posts
December 12 2014 06:16 GMT
#55
On December 12 2014 12:49 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Jesus, stop being so good stuchiu.

Another contender I'd mention is sOs.
Just like Mvp, I'd say that he's by far the best at mapping out series, and pulling out clutch wins when needed.
Tailed off a bit last year, but if he wins big this year, then Hot6ix cup, 2 world championships, and his 2015 haul will be nothing to sneer at. Only thing he's lacking is consistency.


It's amazing how underrated/under appreciated sOs has been in sc2. Right from the initial kespa cross over he was one of the best protoss players and this past year, when he "underperformed," he tied for most wins in proleague. Everyone remembers his IEM and WCS global victories, and of course he just won hot6, but even before those he won both the asian indoor martial arts tournament and the kr qualifier for it. This is on top of 2nd at wcs season 1 and redbull ny, and iirc a top 4 in wcs kr.

He may cheese a lot, but imo he's been the most innovative protoss player in all of hots and has routinely impressed me with his multitasking more than any other p.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 12 2014 06:20 GMT
#56
Taeja will take the throne, take the title emperor (year I fucking said it) and drink the tears of a hundred Korean pro gamers. Calling it
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 12 2014 06:25 GMT
#57
On December 12 2014 15:16 arcane1129 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:49 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Jesus, stop being so good stuchiu.

Another contender I'd mention is sOs.
Just like Mvp, I'd say that he's by far the best at mapping out series, and pulling out clutch wins when needed.
Tailed off a bit last year, but if he wins big this year, then Hot6ix cup, 2 world championships, and his 2015 haul will be nothing to sneer at. Only thing he's lacking is consistency.


It's amazing how underrated/under appreciated sOs has been in sc2. Right from the initial kespa cross over he was one of the best protoss players and this past year, when he "underperformed," he tied for most wins in proleague. Everyone remembers his IEM and WCS global victories, and of course he just won hot6, but even before those he won both the asian indoor martial arts tournament and the kr qualifier for it. This is on top of 2nd at wcs season 1 and redbull ny, and iirc a top 4 in wcs kr.

He may cheese a lot, but imo he's been the most innovative protoss player in all of hots and has routinely impressed me with his multitasking more than any other p.


His only problem is his consistency. One day hes winning a hundred grand the next he's getting rekt in another tourney. He hasn't really had a sustained period of doing really well ala Zest or soO. Everyone loves him though :D

Also obligatory 2015 year of FlaSh post. He got dis.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 12 2014 06:28 GMT
#58
sOs doesn't care unless the prize pool is over 10k. Dreamhack? fuck this. Online Tourney? Fuck this. Chance to take 100k in foreigner money, done. easy 18k for no work, done. He literally has no fucks to give
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
December 12 2014 06:38 GMT
#59
On December 12 2014 15:25 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 15:16 arcane1129 wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:49 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Jesus, stop being so good stuchiu.

Another contender I'd mention is sOs.
Just like Mvp, I'd say that he's by far the best at mapping out series, and pulling out clutch wins when needed.
Tailed off a bit last year, but if he wins big this year, then Hot6ix cup, 2 world championships, and his 2015 haul will be nothing to sneer at. Only thing he's lacking is consistency.


It's amazing how underrated/under appreciated sOs has been in sc2. Right from the initial kespa cross over he was one of the best protoss players and this past year, when he "underperformed," he tied for most wins in proleague. Everyone remembers his IEM and WCS global victories, and of course he just won hot6, but even before those he won both the asian indoor martial arts tournament and the kr qualifier for it. This is on top of 2nd at wcs season 1 and redbull ny, and iirc a top 4 in wcs kr.

He may cheese a lot, but imo he's been the most innovative protoss player in all of hots and has routinely impressed me with his multitasking more than any other p.


His only problem is his consistency. One day hes winning a hundred grand the next he's getting rekt in another tourney. He hasn't really had a sustained period of doing really well ala Zest or soO. Everyone loves him though :D

Also obligatory 2015 year of FlaSh post. He got dis.


Picture the scene:

November 2015. Flash has cleaned up in Korea, winning 3 consecutive GSLs.
He goes to Blizzcon as the undisputed best player in the world, reclaiming his throne at the top of the starcraft scene.
Sweeps through to the finals with ease.
sOs 4-0 within 1 hour. The tears would be legendary
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
December 12 2014 06:41 GMT
#60
On December 12 2014 12:20 Jazzman88 wrote:
What we would be incredible would be if we had someone magically ascend like Life did back in 2012 from obscurity and proceed to claim this throne. That would be fucking epic.

Someone did magically ascend, in 2014. This one dude who got pretty regular play in Proleague, but had never even been in Code A before. He then won 1 GSL, made Top 4 in another, made Top 8 in yet another, and a few other pretty good achievements over the course of the year.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech13
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 331
Movie 156
Artosis 126
Sexy 85
firebathero 75
NaDa 12
Dota 2
monkeys_forever648
League of Legends
Doublelift2753
Super Smash Bros
PPMD46
Other Games
summit1g7730
tarik_tv4676
Grubby699
shahzam417
mouzStarbuck321
ceh9295
C9.Mang0260
RotterdaM73
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV273
StarCraft 2
angryscii 120
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream68
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 60
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 48
• HerbMon 47
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1487
• Shiphtur336
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 58m
Escore
11h 58m
INu's Battles
12h 58m
Classic vs ByuN
SHIN vs ByuN
OSC
14h 58m
Big Brain Bouts
17h 58m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 10h
RSL Revival
1d 11h
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
1d 12h
IPSL
1d 17h
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
[ Show More ]
BSL
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
IPSL
2 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
5 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
6 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-29
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.