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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/treehugger/greatgames590x300.jpg) Just a few days ago, in conjunction with Team Razer, we announced the Great Games documentary series. Now, we're thrilled to present the first episode, which features Starcraft II. The episode highlights three legendary players, including our very own HerO! Watch it now! Support Liquid on social media! ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/treehugger/twittericon.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/treehugger/fbicon.gif) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/treehugger/gplusicon.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/treehugger/instagramicon.png) 
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On November 30 2014 00:47 vult wrote: Can't wait to watch this later! lol, it appears that you actually can wait in that case.  | ||
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Dungeontai
Austria4 Posts
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Frankenberry
Denmark302 Posts
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wmb
Sweden282 Posts
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
I really hope he wins a championship again like the good old times! | ||
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On November 30 2014 03:12 hansonslee wrote: HerO <3 I really hope he wins a championship again like the good old times! I really think HerO could do with some sports psychology. After watching this excellent piece live on dreamhack earlier, it seems he is his own worst enemy. Great documentary, need to dig up the Smash one Artosis mentioned now. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
It was interesting, but I wasn't entirely sure who/what level it was being pitched at in terms of audience, because it seemed to try and have a bit for everyone without having enough to be cohesive for any one group except maybe casual gamers with some RTS type game understanding (including MOBA games) but no knowledge of Starcraft. | ||
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On November 30 2014 03:29 Lonyo wrote: I was slightly confused as to who it was pitched at. There's explanation of basics like the races in SC2, but then no explanation of some other "jargon" such as talking about builds/build orders, which might be understandable by the gaming crowd in general, but then the way that the races are explained is as if to a non-gamer. It was interesting, but I wasn't entirely sure who/what level it was being pitched at in terms of audience, because it seemed to try and have a bit for everyone without having enough to be cohesive for any one group except maybe casual gamers with some RTS type game understanding (including MOBA games) but no knowledge of Starcraft. Check out the VOD of dreamhack from earlier where this was premiered, the director goes into detail touching on this very topic. edit: The panel gave him a shortish interview after it played. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
Without dubstep it could be a perfect film | ||
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sigm
192 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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custombuild
31 Posts
On November 30 2014 07:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: You are really tough to please if that's what you think after watching. This is one of the better pieces of content I have seen done about StarCraft and it didn't even need a kickstarter. I guess each person is entitle to their opinion and you should not get angry about it in a forum. I think the documentaries would be better if they focused on 1 player at the time and if they took time to tell the story slowly instead of jumping into the ending so fast. Ex. Flash was a newbie >>>> BOOM>>> he became the God of Starcraft >>end of story>>>lets switch to sc2 now. If you plan to do a documentary on SC2 then support your documentaries with the real "Gods" of starcraft 2. Do not bounce to BW and then give like 5 seconds of fame to Sc2. | ||
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
On November 30 2014 08:11 custombuild wrote: I guess each person is entitle to their opinion and you should not get angry about it in a forum. I think the documentaries would be better if they focused on 1 player at the time and if they took time to tell the story slowly instead of jumping into the ending so fast. Ex. Flash was a newbie >>>> BOOM>>> he became the God of Starcraft >>end of story>>>lets switch to sc2 now. If you plan to do a documentary on SC2 then support your documentaries with the real "Gods" of starcraft 2. Do not bounce to BW and then give like 5 seconds of fame to Sc2. It's not even 30 minutes long. How are you proposing they should have done it? | ||
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tomastaz
United States976 Posts
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
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Brindled
United States508 Posts
On November 30 2014 07:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: You are really tough to please if that's what you think after watching. This is one of the better pieces of content I have seen done about StarCraft and it didn't even need a kickstarter. I think I'll quote this every few pages or so. | ||
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Zerste
United States112 Posts
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
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Kazahk
United States385 Posts
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genericname92
United States148 Posts
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
Jaedong: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO vs Flash: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO then... HerO vs Puma: ??????????????????????? no Mvp? Nestea? MarineKing? or maybe... Stephano(for a europe focus)? But of course, it is great. I hope to see more of this! | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On November 30 2014 05:48 sigm wrote: A solid 20+ minutes of circlejerking, questionable choice for SC2 focus, an overly sappy "ending", no mention of people like Bisu, Savior, Boxer for SC or MC, Mvp, Nestea for SC2, and rather sparse interviews. For a first episode, I suppose it's excusable, as many TV pilot episodes also lack in quality when compared to regular episodes. But if this is supposed to turn into a noteworthy documentary series, then there's much work to be done. i think you're confusing the aims of this content to the smash bros documentary. remember this is the story of R A Z E R B O Y Z not SC2. | ||
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sigm
192 Posts
On November 30 2014 07:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: You are really tough to please if that's what you think after watching. This is one of the better pieces of content I have seen done about StarCraft and it didn't even need a kickstarter. I'm not really that tough to please, as the things that I think are wrong with the SC episode are rather obvious, instead of being some arbitrary nitpicks. The whole episode just feels like someone had an idea to do another recap of the Flash/Jaedong rivalry and then tossed in whatever other bits of almost randomly chosen info in there to make it about SC in general, including the Hero focus and the whole 30 seconds of info about the game itself. I mean, no offense, but I think there are more worthwhile players for a documentary in the SC2 scene than Hero, and the obvious SC bias of the whole thing doesn't help either. I know that SC was the more important, influential, and popular of the two games in South Korea, which is apparently all that matters in the world of SC, but that doesn't mean that a documentary should skimp on SC2 as it did, as documentaries should be unbiased, objective, and thorough. On November 30 2014 08:41 kuresuti wrote: It's not even 30 minutes long. How are you proposing they should have done it? For starters, they should've made it 60 minutes long, at least. This isn't a TV show, so I don't see a reason to limit the running time to 25 minutes. That way, they could've dedicated half an hour to each game, and that would've given them enough time to properly introduce and explain each game, talk about the history and current status, show some actual interviews, and do a proper coverage of the most important players. I mean, the next two episodes will be covering a single subject as well, but they're giving an episode each to a separate game. Why couldn't SC get the same treatment? | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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TecaNina
41 Posts
Well, however nice episode! User was warned for this post | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 30 2014 07:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: You are really tough to please if that's what you think after watching. This is one of the better pieces of content I have seen done about StarCraft and it didn't even need a kickstarter. I think there's some rightful criticism to be had here. You're juxtaposing one of the greatest rivalries in all of SC:BW with Hero vs Puma. Now I love Hero vs Puma as a story, and I love Flash vs Jaedong as a story - but the juxtaposition felt really off. (I legitimately thought the second part was going to be about MC when they started talking about a BW dropout). Then you have Yellow[arnc] getting confused with YellOw (how did that get through), BW timelines a little messed up (eg. Flash was the ultimate weapon long before he became God and the majority of JD/Flash would have been tyrant vs ultimate weapon, Flash won GSI before OSL whereas it's implied the reverse and so on). Aside from Artosis and the progamers, the people interviewed were a little questionable (I mean, what did they really add to the film other than a break from the narrator). While a lot better than anything we've had before, there's definitely room for criticism here  | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
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lastride
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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eeZe
United States54 Posts
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Cool C
United States69 Posts
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PPN
France248 Posts
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sigm
192 Posts
On December 01 2014 01:28 eeZe wrote: It's cool, it was for a "mainstream" audience not the TL elite... can't that be enough? jeez That's exactly why it needed to be longer, better, and more interesting. I don't think that anyone who wasn't into SC will become so after watching this. | ||
Clubfan
Germany913 Posts
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
Seemed a little rushed on the sc2 side, and had footage used from other films and casts to buffer it. And a lot of jargon. Was better than SOS though. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 30 2014 20:37 Plexa wrote: I think there's some rightful criticism to be had here. You're juxtaposing one of the greatest rivalries in all of SC:BW with Hero vs Puma. Now I love Hero vs Puma as a story, and I love Flash vs Jaedong as a story - but the juxtaposition felt really off. (I legitimately thought the second part was going to be about MC when they started talking about a BW dropout). Then you have Yellow[arnc] getting confused with YellOw (how did that get through), BW timelines a little messed up (eg. Flash was the ultimate weapon long before he became God and the majority of JD/Flash would have been tyrant vs ultimate weapon, Flash won GSI before OSL whereas it's implied the reverse and so on). Aside from Artosis and the progamers, the people interviewed were a little questionable (I mean, what did they really add to the film other than a break from the narrator). While a lot better than anything we've had before, there's definitely room for criticism here I can only imagine how you must have felt that Armada wasn't in the Smash documentary | ||
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-KG-
Denmark1219 Posts
Hope to see more of these documentaries. | ||
Waxangel
United States33651 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8313 Posts
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NeV
Italy370 Posts
On December 01 2014 04:39 Waxangel wrote: I'm sure KT Rolster enjoys having their star player being put on the same level as permanently banned matchfixer yellow by their sponsor company Razer Well this video is targeted to a foreign audience, I don't think many people would recognize him, a part from a few BW fans. If I'm not wrong Yellow[Arnc] is not nominated during the video, it just appears for a brief moment. | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
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EddyBee
Netherlands46 Posts
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Not in SC2 lolz | ||
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elsietduran
United States1 Post
User was banned for this post. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
The transition from JD vs flash into puma vs hero is a bit weird, allthough the story is kinda cool. But it misses the big thing sc2 brought into the gaming and esports scene which is global competition. Only since sc2 you have foreigners consistently being in the top half of the tournament brackets, which would be almost impossible during the height of bw. Btw this kinda leads to a question that is stuck in my head for a while now: How come that the very top bw players don't dominate as much as they did after the transition? I think nobody would have dared to even think that back in the day. Is it more based on the fact that sc2 demands a different skillset or is it just a natural thing to not have the same guys dominating for such a long time? | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
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