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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
November 13 2014 05:00 GMT
#61
On November 13 2014 13:53 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 13:48 pure.Wasted wrote:
Hmm. Does nobody else think that SKT is behind this? Innovation and Dear can come back no problem, but Parting, Rain, and Fantasy get blacklisted? If Kespa is just being their usual tyrannical self, why not come down equally hard on everybody?


Inno and Dear are now playing for other KeSPA teams. Rain, Fanta and PartinG are not.

I'm sure if Fanta ends up joining another KeSPA team it'll be fine for him.


Oh, fuck me, of course that would be it. But the strange thing is... I imagine that financially, PartinG playing in PL is better for Kespa than not. He has his fans, he plays good games, lots of rivalries and drama and all that. And now he'll be bringing in foreign viewers as well. All good for Kespa, I would think. If PartinG just up and leaves Korea, what do they stand to gain from it? Nothing that I can see.

All right SKT, I'm sorry I said that stuff before. I didn't mean it.
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 13 2014 05:15 GMT
#62
Well, that's stupid. Stooooopid I say.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
November 13 2014 05:15 GMT
#63
On November 13 2014 14:00 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 13:53 Phredxor wrote:
On November 13 2014 13:48 pure.Wasted wrote:
Hmm. Does nobody else think that SKT is behind this? Innovation and Dear can come back no problem, but Parting, Rain, and Fantasy get blacklisted? If Kespa is just being their usual tyrannical self, why not come down equally hard on everybody?


Inno and Dear are now playing for other KeSPA teams. Rain, Fanta and PartinG are not.

I'm sure if Fanta ends up joining another KeSPA team it'll be fine for him.


Oh, fuck me, of course that would be it. But the strange thing is... I imagine that financially, PartinG playing in PL is better for Kespa than not. He has his fans, he plays good games, lots of rivalries and drama and all that. And now he'll be bringing in foreign viewers as well. All good for Kespa, I would think. If PartinG just up and leaves Korea, what do they stand to gain from it? Nothing that I can see.

All right SKT, I'm sorry I said that stuff before. I didn't mean it.


No doubt you're right about that. But you can guarantee KeSPA will enforce their rules regardless. Iron fist!
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
November 13 2014 05:20 GMT
#64
This is your reminder that KeSPA has always been a garbage organization that puts itself first and players last.
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Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
November 13 2014 05:23 GMT
#65
I hope they get rid of this absurd rule. It might have made sense in BW but all this would accomplish is hurt the popularity of SPL.
astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
November 13 2014 05:26 GMT
#66
This rule is stupid, but it shows how much power Kespa has and how serious they take esports.
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laerteis
Profile Joined August 2012
United States78 Posts
November 13 2014 05:34 GMT
#67
KESPA: Abusing players since 2000.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 13 2014 05:34 GMT
#68
On November 13 2014 14:23 Yakikorosu wrote:
I hope they get rid of this absurd rule. It might have made sense in BW but all this would accomplish is hurt the popularity of SPL.


I don't think it made sense in Brood War either.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 13 2014 05:39 GMT
#69
People are overreacting.

It's an archaic rule from Brood War, and it made sense during that era because KeSPA didn't want rich teams poaching all the talent and players having power to force transfers like spoiled football players. KeSPA's BW had a 10+ year life span, so having a 4 or 5 year period before "free agency" (that is, a player terminating his own contract instead of the team terminating it—based on how the events read—outside KeSPA's regular free agent period) made sense at the time. During that time, no players joined foreign teams so something like this never happened. Paying transfer fees made sense to allow the player to play for another team in Proleague. It's comparable to Champions League eligibility in football.

It's an oversight that they didn't adjust the rule for SC2, and I'd be surprised if they don't come to an agreement in this matter. KeSPA has relaxed their views on foreign teams and tournaments lately, and they don't want to mess up their positive vibes with a handful of players.

However, we don't know the full story regarding the contracts of the players in question. Did their contracts end? Did they just terminate their own contract? Did they quit? Did they reach a buy out of their contracts? We don't know. Simply blaming KeSPA without knowing the details is absurd.

And no I'm not agreeing with KeSPA. I am saying they have every right to enforce their own rules and their rules are based on reason however out of date, even though I think they should change it.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
November 13 2014 05:40 GMT
#70
that sucks :/
I hope it gets resolved.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 05:43:17
November 13 2014 05:41 GMT
#71
On November 13 2014 14:00 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 13:53 Phredxor wrote:
On November 13 2014 13:48 pure.Wasted wrote:
Hmm. Does nobody else think that SKT is behind this? Innovation and Dear can come back no problem, but Parting, Rain, and Fantasy get blacklisted? If Kespa is just being their usual tyrannical self, why not come down equally hard on everybody?


Inno and Dear are now playing for other KeSPA teams. Rain, Fanta and PartinG are not.

I'm sure if Fanta ends up joining another KeSPA team it'll be fine for him.


Oh, fuck me, of course that would be it. But the strange thing is... I imagine that financially, PartinG playing in PL is better for Kespa than not. He has his fans, he plays good games, lots of rivalries and drama and all that. And now he'll be bringing in foreign viewers as well. All good for Kespa, I would think. If PartinG just up and leaves Korea, what do they stand to gain from it? Nothing that I can see.

All right SKT, I'm sorry I said that stuff before. I didn't mean it.

You really think KeSPA cares about common sense?
On November 13 2014 14:39 lichter wrote:
People are overreacting.

It's an archaic rule from Brood War, and it made sense during that era because KeSPA didn't want rich teams poaching all the talent and players having power to force transfers like spoiled football players. KeSPA's BW had a 10+ year life span, so having a 4 or 5 year period before "free agency" (that is, a player terminating his own contract instead of the team terminating it—based on how the events read—outside KeSPA's regular free agent period) made sense at the time. During that time, no players joined foreign teams so something like this never happened. Paying transfer fees made sense to allow the player to play for another team in Proleague. It's comparable to Champions League eligibility in football.

It's an oversight that they didn't adjust the rule for SC2, and I'd be surprised if they don't come to an agreement in this matter. KeSPA has relaxed their views on foreign teams and tournaments lately, and they don't want to mess up their positive vibes with a handful of players.

However, we don't know the full story regarding the contracts of the players in question. Did their contracts end? Did they just terminate their own contract? Did they quit? Did they reach a buy out of their contracts? We don't know. Simply blaming KeSPA without knowing the details is absurd.

And no I'm not agreeing with KeSPA. I am saying they have every right to enforce their own rules and their rules are based on reason however out of date, even though I think they should change it.

I thought the official and accepted reason for PartinG, Rain, SoulKey and FanTa leaving was that they didn't renew their contracts?
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biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
November 13 2014 05:41 GMT
#72
I hope some sanity will prevail over archaic regulations.

Parting is an entertaining player, it would be a shame for everyone involved if he can't play in Proleague.
Bibu
Profile Joined August 2010
Russian Federation163 Posts
November 13 2014 05:41 GMT
#73
kespa best=)
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 13 2014 05:52 GMT
#74
On November 13 2014 14:41 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 14:39 lichter wrote:
People are overreacting.

It's an archaic rule from Brood War, and it made sense during that era because KeSPA didn't want rich teams poaching all the talent and players having power to force transfers like spoiled football players. KeSPA's BW had a 10+ year life span, so having a 4 or 5 year period before "free agency" (that is, a player terminating his own contract instead of the team terminating it—based on how the events read—outside KeSPA's regular free agent period) made sense at the time. During that time, no players joined foreign teams so something like this never happened. Paying transfer fees made sense to allow the player to play for another team in Proleague. It's comparable to Champions League eligibility in football.

It's an oversight that they didn't adjust the rule for SC2, and I'd be surprised if they don't come to an agreement in this matter. KeSPA has relaxed their views on foreign teams and tournaments lately, and they don't want to mess up their positive vibes with a handful of players.

However, we don't know the full story regarding the contracts of the players in question. Did their contracts end? Did they just terminate their own contract? Did they quit? Did they reach a buy out of their contracts? We don't know. Simply blaming KeSPA without knowing the details is absurd.

And no I'm not agreeing with KeSPA. I am saying they have every right to enforce their own rules and their rules are based on reason however out of date, even though I think they should change it.

I thought the official and accepted reason for PartinG, Rain, SoulKey and FanTa leaving was that they didn't renew their contracts?


The press release is vague as usual. As far as I know it doesn't say whether the contract was terminated and by whom, or if it just ran out. Saying "the contract ended" is vague because it doesn't explain why it ended. Of course, we'll likely never find out for sure.
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Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
November 13 2014 05:54 GMT
#75
Classic kespa bullshit
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
November 13 2014 06:08 GMT
#76
C'mon man :/ without PartinG,Rain or Fantasy Proleague feels so empty
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-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
November 13 2014 06:24 GMT
#77
kespa jail >.> mannn poor parting D:
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2014 06:28 GMT
#78
Lol what the fuck
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LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
November 13 2014 06:34 GMT
#79
I guess a guy can only have so much good news in a row. RIP reunited StarTale dream.
Feisty
Profile Joined December 2013
Vatican City State35 Posts
November 13 2014 06:35 GMT
#80
That's crazy, SC2 hasn't even been out for 5 years that rule needs to change!
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