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Road to BlizzCon #4 - mYi.StarDust - WCS 2014

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Road to BlizzCon #4 - mYi.StarDust - WCS 2014

Text bystuchiu
Graphics byMeru, shiroiusagi
October 21st, 2014 01:22 GMT

Photo Credit: ESLProtoss
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Stardust

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The Star

by stuchiu

Every Korean pro-gamer's career has an expiration date. And that is mandatory military service. Puma once called it a death sentence. A ticking clock. One that inevitably ends the career of all Korean pro-gamers. It is something that looms in the back of their minds. A constant plague, a sword that hangs above them ready to strike down at any moment. As the days, weeks, and months pass by the pressure to retire now and do military service grows as they realize that they are inevitably taking loans on their own future.

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They are as falling stars. They burn with a bright intensity as they burn their youth in search for the fulfillment of their dreams, ambitions and ideals. But once they crash, once the sword drops, once military service comes in, it is lights out. It is more than just 2 years of life; for many it is the end of youth. A hard reset of their lives knowing that all they have built up must be put on halt and the world marches on.

It is fitting then that M18M changed his name to StarDust upon the end of his BW career and the end of his tenure at Air Force ACE. His star had already burned out during his BW career. 4 years with little to no results. He had burned out and all that was left was Stardust.

For other players, military service is the end. For StarDust it was a rebirth. Near the end of his military service, KeSPA finally picked up SC2. And StarDust’s career hasn't been the same since.

The first time we saw StarDust was on opening day of SPL. It was Air Force ACE against Samsung Khan. And StarDust played RorO on Ohana. In that game, StarDust befuddled RorO as he went for a mass air army. Anything that could be made out of a Stargate was made. Phoenixes, void rays, carriers. It was a strange game in a strange time when all of protoss had given up on any other strategy beyond Soul Train and 3 base timing attacks. And while RorO’s inexperience contributed to StarDust’s win, I can’t help but think how symbolic this game was.

On the map most favorable for Soul Trains, in a meta that had given up on air-style protoss, in a match where his entire team had lost, StarDust won with a strategy of his own devising in a way unique to him. And that is the story of StarDust. A man who cut across the heavens to make a path all his own. Who’s very way of playing made you know StarDust was a man born to fly. From his debut against RorO, to his shocking finals against Jaedong, and his countless battles in WCS EU, you could see it in all his games. His burning passion for the game, his burning passion to win, to fly.

And StarDust did fly. First to America for a brief stint under team LighT. And then he joined mYi upon realizing how many more tournaments there were in the EU scene. Since then the fates of mYi and StarDust have been intrinsically linked. It was mYi’s biggest pick up to date and StarDust rewarded their faith as he immediately won his first ever Dreamhack in one of the great finals of HotS.

Both in and out of game, you can see StarDust’s passion and drive. He is constantly trying to improve his play. Since winning his first ever Dreamhack, Stardust has never hit a slump as he is constantly practicing and working on his play. Outside the game, he has become a paragon of what a pro-player should aspire to be. He interacts with his fans, learned English, even created his own talk show. Even spiteful names like CheeseDust were taken and twisted into an ironic epitaph. StarDust in his talk show once said that he was living his dream right now. That all he wanted to do was play the game and eventually work in eSports. And you can see that passion, that drive in him in everything he has done from the beginning of his career until now. Whether it be in Brood War, on LighT or on mYi, StarDust is a man who knows what he wants and does everything in his power to achieve it.

And this weekend he wants to win. In his SC2 career, he has achieved everything he has already set out for. When he left for America from Korea he wrote:

After that, I was not sure whether I should keep playing BW or SC2 as a pro or I should stop doing it. I loved playing BW much more than playing with textbooks in school, but I was not sure I can still do a good job in this area. However, after a long time of pondering, I decided to come to US and play SC2.


Where other players had given it up, StarDust had pushed on. When StarDust had left America for mYi, he wrote:

While living in NA I realized that EU has more tournaments, both online and offline...I needed to go EU. My goal is simple: To win a major tournament like Dreamhack or WCS.


He has now won both. Upon losing in the ro16 for the first time in WCS EU he wrote:










Tomorrow has come today. Two years ago, StarDust left Korea for America and joined LighT to become a pro-gamer in SC2. One year ago, he left America for Europe and joined mYi to win his first Dreamhack and WCS EU. In November, he goes to Blizzcon to challenge the best in the word for a chance to win Blizzcon and memorialize his career forever.


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Writer: stuchiuGraphics: shiroiusagi, MeruPhoto Credit: GSL, inven eSports, Fomos, Silverfire, itsjustatank, Dreamhack, Blizzard, GHOSTCLAW, Helena KristianssonEditor: lichter
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lichter
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 21 2014 01:22 GMT
#2
that cheese fondue
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Picasso
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Korea (South)52 Posts
October 21 2014 01:29 GMT
#3
inspirational success story...
SetGuitarsToKill
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Canada28396 Posts
October 21 2014 01:29 GMT
#4
Thanks for reminding me of the most forgettable player in Blizzcon, after San of course.
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The_Templar
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your Country52797 Posts
October 21 2014 01:41 GMT
#5
Stardust is the Star? Nice

Honestly, I had never thought of him in this way. Very interesting
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di4m0nd
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United States297 Posts
October 21 2014 01:43 GMT
#6
this
"StarDust in his talk show once said that he was living his dream right now. That all he wanted to do was play the game and eventually work in eSports."

After hearing him say this, it was clear to me that he is truly passionate about the game and esports in general. i always respected his play but after that statement in is talk show, I realized Stardust had become one of my fav players.

anyways great article, cant wait to read the upcoming ones.
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Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 01:45:20
October 21 2014 01:44 GMT
#7
Great article. His tarot card is broken though: all there is a grey back.
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United States7 Posts
October 21 2014 01:48 GMT
#8
Seriously, whoever writes these articles deserves a medal.

Amazing stuff, awesome job!
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Trizztein
Profile Joined August 2014
Canada45 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 01:52:54
October 21 2014 01:50 GMT
#9
I can't help but think this DOES look like these articles are going from the least favorable players to win blizzcon to the most ... I was actually betting on stardust for #4 and here he is.

But still, great writing, very respectful and inspired.
Picasso
Profile Joined October 2013
Korea (South)52 Posts
October 21 2014 01:53 GMT
#10
his mention about defeat is intriguing, too. For many of us losses hurt way more than victories make us happy. But think about pro players that play 30+ games a day. They've lost more games than we've played... thinking about how many times these pros' confidences were shattered in SC2 makes me want to practice harder.
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
October 21 2014 01:54 GMT
#11
On October 21 2014 10:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Great article. His tarot card is broken though: all there is a grey back.


Not sure what to tell you. :x Either you internet is bad or the browser you are using isn't rendering out the stuff right, If the cards are all grey they are showing the back of the cards. Grey cards mean they haven't been revealed yet. Not sure what else to tell ya.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 21 2014 02:02 GMT
#12
pro tip: if you can find just the right spot, you can make a card bug out and spin like crazy
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Canada28396 Posts
October 21 2014 02:03 GMT
#13
On October 21 2014 10:54 shiroiusagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 10:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Great article. His tarot card is broken though: all there is a grey back.


Not sure what to tell you. :x Either you internet is bad or the browser you are using isn't rendering out the stuff right, If the cards are all grey they are showing the back of the cards. Grey cards mean they haven't been revealed yet. Not sure what else to tell ya.


I get it on the San card too. It reverses to grey
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Canada4701 Posts
October 21 2014 02:14 GMT
#14
You guys are pretty good at making me almost care about players I don't like, I'll give you that.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 21 2014 02:14 GMT
#15
when in doubt blame internet explorer
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Canada28396 Posts
October 21 2014 02:14 GMT
#16
On October 21 2014 11:14 lichter wrote:
when in doubt blame internet explorer

But I use Firefox...
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Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 02:31:03
October 21 2014 02:17 GMT
#17
On October 21 2014 11:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 11:14 lichter wrote:
when in doubt blame internet explorer

But I use Firefox...


Same. But I reloaded the page a few times and the image on the back of Stardust's tarot card started rendering correctly.
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Canada13389 Posts
October 21 2014 02:37 GMT
#18
If you get a grey box just do a cache refresh (ctrl f5 on windows)
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October 21 2014 03:19 GMT
#19
Using Chrome here, no problems.
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United States1318 Posts
October 21 2014 03:38 GMT
#20
On October 21 2014 10:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Thanks for reminding me of the most forgettable player in Blizzcon, after San of course.

You heartless monster. How can you not like/remember StarDust after Dreamhack Summer? And ManZenith, the guy who has Taeja as his #1 fan.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 21 2014 03:39 GMT
#21
On October 21 2014 12:38 SFDuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 10:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Thanks for reminding me of the most forgettable player in Blizzcon, after San of course.

You heartless monster. How can you not like/remember StarDust after Dreamhack Summer? And ManZenith, the guy who has Taeja as his #1 fan.

I have really, really awful memory. Like I think I might actually have a problem or something.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
October 21 2014 03:44 GMT
#22
Man I was on the fence on whether or not I really wanted to root for Stardust in Blizzcon, as he goes up against MMA and I wasn't sure exactly how I felt about him. But I realize now that I do love that guy, and this article convinced me. What a great story of a person who chases his dreams, who (quite literally) reaches for the stars.

Thanks stuchiu for writing an amazing article, you always have such a way with words.
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Switzerland433 Posts
October 21 2014 04:21 GMT
#23
Awww dustie. Great writeup. I can't wait to see how he does at Blizzcon
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jarod
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania766 Posts
October 21 2014 05:23 GMT
#24
Like all the other write-ups this is also great. I for example did not know much about Stardust before him joining mYi. He looks more like a fighter now in my eyes.
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United States560 Posts
October 21 2014 05:29 GMT
#25
So far each article has made me want each player to win it all. By the time the tournament rolls around I will be cheering for all 16. Well done!
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United States7483 Posts
October 21 2014 06:41 GMT
#26
Make sure to check out the strategy articles at the end of each of these articles! If you don't see the link when you first read it, check back a little later for it. It's up now on this one.
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France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 06:45:58
October 21 2014 06:44 GMT
#27
Dat Winrate.. StarDust is sooo underated, He is really good. And he's funny to

When you have a friend that's like :: "ALL THE PROTOSS CAN DIE !!" he will add surely :: "ALL but StarDust, he is cool man"
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Last Edited: 2014-10-21 06:55:14
October 21 2014 06:55 GMT
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To me Stadust is kinda the Protoss Polt, not the best at start bug such strength of will and cleverness that he ends up competing with the best in the world.
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Canada4773 Posts
October 21 2014 07:18 GMT
#29
I would have been shocked to see anything but the Star arcana for StarDust.
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United States2629 Posts
October 21 2014 07:52 GMT
#30
Honest question. Can TL print the player's tile cards and sell them in the TeamLiquid store? I'd actually be so down to buy them. I think they would be excellent to get autographs on when going to Blizzcon.
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2390 Posts
October 21 2014 09:03 GMT
#31
great read. I indeed remember his games with ace in bw
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United States61 Posts
October 21 2014 09:08 GMT
#32
I think stardust is really good and underrated to win blizzcon. Go CheeseDust!
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Brazil3449 Posts
October 21 2014 09:14 GMT
#33
I feel silly for not seeing Stardust being the star.
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Netherlands30548 Posts
October 21 2014 10:24 GMT
#34
Yeah Stardust! Nice article. Stardust is one the nicest and creative players, how can you not root for him? Blizzcon champion!
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United Kingdom1381 Posts
October 21 2014 10:51 GMT
#35
On October 21 2014 16:52 Brutaxilos wrote:
Honest question. Can TL print the player's tile cards and sell them in the TeamLiquid store? I'd actually be so down to buy them. I think they would be excellent to get autographs on when going to Blizzcon.


TL should do a Blizzcon Cheerful contest, winner gets a pack of player cards in the post.
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Canada2250 Posts
October 21 2014 11:13 GMT
#36
On October 21 2014 10:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Thanks for reminding me of the most forgettable player in Blizzcon, after San of course.

I think you forgot to forget about Jjakji
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Italy1741 Posts
October 21 2014 11:14 GMT
#37
epic image with the cheese lol
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Italy3725 Posts
October 21 2014 11:32 GMT
#38
This korean military thing is really starting to annoy me :/ stealing so many great players... wish they would remove it
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Germany17651 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 17:38:35
October 21 2014 12:17 GMT
#39
ehhh that flying thing always reminds me of pigbaby for some reason, not stardust. i still love that stuchiu did the stardust article! thx.
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October 21 2014 12:25 GMT
#40
On October 21 2014 20:32 SoSexy wrote:
This korean military thing is really starting to annoy me :/ stealing so many great players... wish they would remove it

Yeah, its all the fault of that Kim guy.
That... Supreme leader David Kim.
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Afghanistan118 Posts
October 21 2014 12:43 GMT
#41
"who's very way of playing" should be whose. I only point this out because these articles are good and worth correcting
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 14:12:19
October 21 2014 14:11 GMT
#42
I didn't really like Stardust at first. But over the past year, he has really started to grow on me. I hope he does well against MMA.

Nice write-up btw.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
October 21 2014 14:44 GMT
#43
I think stardust is the player I'd WANT to see win the most!! He's just such a charismatic guy. I remember after him being eliminated in ASUS ROG (summer 13 iirc) he had no problem doing an interview with one of the Russian streams that was live at the event - smiling and laughing the whole time! Been a huge fan of him since.
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United States3514 Posts
October 21 2014 15:01 GMT
#44
God those cards are cool.
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Switzerland753 Posts
October 21 2014 15:07 GMT
#45
One of the best writers for "The Book" (TM), would love to see multiple games from StarDust at Blizzcon
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United Kingdom7161 Posts
October 21 2014 17:12 GMT
#46
Love the writeup for this one.
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Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
October 21 2014 17:32 GMT
#47
Stardust is my favorite player at Blizzcon. The way he played the Series against Flash was amazing. If he can use a similar form on that day, he should have a good shot at beating MMA. Gread write up, thats exactly who Stardust is. The most charasmatic Korean we got in SC2.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 21 2014 17:34 GMT
#48
This series of articles is superb, congrats all !
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Profile Joined November 2013
Sweden58 Posts
October 21 2014 20:47 GMT
#49
GOGO Stardust!! :D :D

Stardust has been my favourite player for a long time now. Good luck at blizzcon and show everyone how crazy good you are! :D
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Profile Joined February 2011
Norway122 Posts
October 21 2014 21:55 GMT
#50
Almost making me cheer for CheeseDust here...

Fuck it, he seems like a real fighter, I'll cheer for him even against MMA.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 22:00:37
October 21 2014 22:00 GMT
#51
On October 22 2014 06:55 growlizing wrote:
Almost making me cheer for CheeseDust here...

Fuck it, he seems like a real fighter, I'll cheer for him even against MMA.

Just wait until MMA's article comes out
Also I expect jjakji to be the next article
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Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
October 21 2014 22:15 GMT
#52
Cheese dust!
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United States61 Posts
October 21 2014 22:21 GMT
#53
I was a little too young/out of the loop for Brood War, so most of what I know is from these amazing tales of a by gone era. But one thing that has always stuck with me was the idea of Air Force ACE. Obviously it didn't mean the amenities of teams like Rolster, SK and the like, but it was still a viable option for career players to fulfill their service. Honestly from my knowledge it did seems to be a kind of final resting place for a lot of careers, but it was still a better option than "I am now done for good."

I'm really curious to see how this will adapt in the modern age. As StarCraft 2 and other games gain more and more momentum and prominence in Korea, and main stream culture, will we start seeing teams like AF ACE again? Or is it going to play out how it has for the past few years, a Korean player must make his/her name and career in time before service inevitably ends it. It's a very interesting idea looming over S. Korean player's heads, very few foreigners have that guillotine (of sorts) waiting for them.
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Sweden960 Posts
October 21 2014 22:24 GMT
#54
On October 22 2014 07:21 SourApplez wrote:
I was a little too young/out of the loop for Brood War, so most of what I know is from these amazing tales of a by gone era. But one thing that has always stuck with me was the idea of Air Force ACE. Obviously it didn't mean the amenities of teams like Rolster, SK and the like, but it was still a viable option for career players to fulfill their service. Honestly from my knowledge it did seems to be a kind of final resting place for a lot of careers, but it was still a better option than "I am now done for good."

I'm really curious to see how this will adapt in the modern age. As StarCraft 2 and other games gain more and more momentum and prominence in Korea, and main stream culture, will we start seeing teams like AF ACE again? Or is it going to play out how it has for the past few years, a Korean player must make his/her name and career in time before service inevitably ends it. It's a very interesting idea looming over S. Korean player's heads, very few foreigners have that guillotine (of sorts) waiting for them.


With how young most korean league players seem to be when they hit their peak and retire (from what I've heard), I don't think the korean LoL scene will need to push for an ACE-team for a while.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
October 21 2014 23:04 GMT
#55
Thank you for this awesome article, this is my favorite so far. Very well written and I really liked taking some quotes and tweets from SD himself to show off his personality and his feelings. A very enjoyable read! =D
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chiasmus
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States134 Posts
October 21 2014 23:06 GMT
#56
So glad this article mentioned Stardust's crazy SC2 debut, the air-toss game against Roro. It was a totally ridiculous game, an artifact of that weird period when the KeSPA pros were playing televised games before they knew what they were doing in SC2. But it's still a game that sticks in my memory two years later.
SourApplez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States61 Posts
October 21 2014 23:19 GMT
#57
On October 22 2014 07:24 Darkdwarf wrote:

With how young most korean league players seem to be when they hit their peak and retire (from what I've heard), I don't think the korean LoL scene will need to push for an ACE-team for a while.



That's an interesting point, and I think you are very correct. I'm curious as to what will happen when careers are extended however. I'm sure in the future we will start seeing careers last up to 10 years as games stabilize and the scene makes it more viable. I don't know much about LoL though, so I could be completely blowing smoke...
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 01:11:34
October 22 2014 01:03 GMT
#58
On October 22 2014 07:21 SourApplez wrote:
I was a little too young/out of the loop for Brood War, so most of what I know is from these amazing tales of a by gone era. But one thing that has always stuck with me was the idea of Air Force ACE. Obviously it didn't mean the amenities of teams like Rolster, SK and the like, but it was still a viable option for career players to fulfill their service. Honestly from my knowledge it did seems to be a kind of final resting place for a lot of careers, but it was still a better option than "I am now done for good."

I'm really curious to see how this will adapt in the modern age. As StarCraft 2 and other games gain more and more momentum and prominence in Korea, and main stream culture, will we start seeing teams like AF ACE again? Or is it going to play out how it has for the past few years, a Korean player must make his/her name and career in time before service inevitably ends it. It's a very interesting idea looming over S. Korean player's heads, very few foreigners have that guillotine (of sorts) waiting for them.

I think you are looking at this through foreigner bifocals. What you refer to as "final resting place" and "guillotine", the S. Korean players view as another stage in life, that requires a big decision. Many will move on, but some will continue to compete.

Its wise to move on from esports. Although the money is lucrative, but the competition is fierce. I think many of them came to the conclusion that sometimes its better to have a steady and decent wage, as opposed to a roller coaster model.

StarCraft 2 and other games gain more and more momentum and prominence in Korea, and main stream culture,

I hate to nit pick your choice of words, but I need to place some attention to this phrase in your post. You refer to Korea as if its not part of main stream culture. It may have a different main stream culture. One that already adopted video games into their culture long before anyone else in North America or Europe. We are playing catch up.

And foreigners have a vastly different culture, but we will see what North American and European players do after a certain age. Some will retire at a young age, but will continue in the industry; others will play to retirement. Someone like Catz looks very comfortable as a coach.
On October 22 2014 08:19 SourApplez wrote:
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On October 22 2014 07:24 Darkdwarf wrote:

With how young most korean league players seem to be when they hit their peak and retire (from what I've heard), I don't think the korean LoL scene will need to push for an ACE-team for a while.



That's an interesting point, and I think you are very correct. I'm curious as to what will happen when careers are extended however. I'm sure in the future we will start seeing careers last up to 10 years as games stabilize and the scene makes it more viable. I don't know much about LoL though, so I could be completely blowing smoke...

Another important aspect to consider is the games that will stabilize in the future. Which games will be made that manage to offer enjoyment in playing and watching? These games will turn into a cash cow that will bring floods of marketing.

Take a look at the LoL championship series, just passed, that had big sponsors like Coca Cola.

These LoL players aren't going to quit anytime soon. That scene is stabilizing immensely, but it has been an artificial growth. Riot has invest millions to sponsor LoL championship series (LCS), but it has paid off. SC2 started as a grass roots community, and only recently has Blizzard invested in creating the WCS. Regardless, both are stabilizing, although LCS took only a year.

Its impossible to guess how long these games will maintain success and attention, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that video games maintain the comparable audience numbers to NFL or NBA.
VArsovskiSC
Profile Joined July 2010
Macedonia563 Posts
October 22 2014 07:50 GMT
#59
Probably the one player I really felt not angry for taking off a JD tourney back in the days, I mean - I was kinda mad, but when saw his face, posture, and attitude - immediately became a fan :D

Close amongst the crowd, and a miracle.. He might be my favourite this year though..
Another world, another place, another universe, won the race.. :) ;) :P
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 22 2014 07:52 GMT
#60
Can't believe I forgot to post this pic

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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
October 22 2014 09:02 GMT
#61
On October 22 2014 16:52 lichter wrote:
Can't believe I forgot to post this pic

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Haha look at San to the left of Stardust.

He is so upset, like second wasn't good enough for him.
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