EPTPower Rank - August 2014 - Page 9
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dravernor
Netherlands6190 Posts
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SelimSC
Turkey39 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On September 02 2014 03:40 BakedButters wrote: Polt should be out and herO should be on the list. At least herO has proven himself able to beat top Koreans who reside in Korea Such as Snute | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 02 2014 03:40 BakedButters wrote: Polt should be out and herO should be on the list. At least herO has proven himself able to beat top Koreans who reside in Korea Like Snute? | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
About the ranking, I think Polt shouldn't be in the top 10. And I love Polt, he's my favorite korean player. But his Red Bull win is probably not enough to be ahead of Cure or Solar for example. The ranking of PartinG surprises me too. Not saying that he's not good of course but he didn't make any spectacular run recently. Those are my little concerns, otherwise I agree with everything. The top 5 foreigners is fine too. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On September 02 2014 01:39 eeZe wrote: So given the above, I just cannot understand how Flash is not rank 1. I don't consider myself a Flash fanboy but given your own descriptions I don't understand how Rain usurps Flash for the month of August. Even in Power Rank toss OP?  The point about power-ranking is to determine who likely is the best player right now. In some situations where you do not have lots of short-term, you are therefore forced to rely on older data more (in the case of Maru - where we probably wanna use data for last 3-4 months). In the case of Flash who has played lots of games agaist top quality players in July and August, we do not need to look any further back in order to determine he probably - along with Rain is the hottest player right now. Regarding Maru, there is just a tiny too uncertainty regarding his current form and he has been losing to Effort that Flash won against, and Flash won the 1on1. We know Flash is pretty !@#$%^&* good right now, and his results are probably better than Maru's results ever were. Hence, it doens't make sense to argue that Maru here was better than Flash 4 months ago and thus deserves to be higher ranked. If that's the argument of Zealously, it's a misunderstanding of the typical intention of making a powerrank. Flash vs Rain is debateable. They are probably the two favourites going into winning the current GSL, thus it can be defended to put Rain above Flash. | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
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Superbanana
2369 Posts
As long as Snute is out of the list, anybody that lost to him cannot get there  *joking | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
Snute is world class top ZvP. Polt has poor man's TvT. And can't remember last time he beat a top korean zerg or protoss | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
Typically don't care about discussing power-ranks, because it can be super hard to determine who is 3rd vs 5th for instance, however, your just not making any consistent logical arguments in defending Polt. If your going to defend Heros ranking over Polt becasue Hero lost to Stephano 1-2 and 1-2, good luck defending Polt's vs Stephano, Scarlett, Bunny and Major. Let's jus look at what you wrote here: f Polt hadn't already been assigned the nickname "Captain America", I feel like he would have been promptly added to the list of Kongs (Captain Kong) for his performances this year. After narrowly barely not making the cut for Red Bull D.C three events in a row, and finishing second behind Trap at MLG Anaheim, Polt finally managed to lift a trophy in Detroit, where he absolutely crushed Taeja in the finals. Polt might be a mixed bag in terms of results, sometimes suffering puzzling losses to players like Apocalypse or Daisy when he looks otherwise solid, but with how thoroughly he dismantled the opposition in Detroit, it would be unfair not to give him recognition. Thus, you mention losses to Daisy and Apocalypse and a win over Taeja, but nothing about his 0-5 loss to Major whom 1 week later went on to get owned by Supernova 0-4? Your simply just cherry-picking here which results you want to matter in the power-rank and therefore ends up with a player who in no way deserves to be on the list. | ||
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URLateral
275 Posts
On September 01 2014 23:23 Lorning wrote: But Polt 3 - 0'd TaeJa just 2 weeks ago in the Red Bull finals and Taejas worst matchup is tvt and he doesnt know what he is doing most of the time in that matchup as it is so chancy but taeja can beat any zerg and any protoss atm. And this is with every other korean player who practices probably 3x as much as taeja does as he cant play as much as he would like due to his really bad wrists. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On September 02 2014 03:43 Hider wrote: Show nested quote + So given the above, I just cannot understand how Flash is not rank 1. I don't consider myself a Flash fanboy but given your own descriptions I don't understand how Rain usurps Flash for the month of August. Even in Power Rank toss OP? The point about power-ranking is to determine who likely is the best player right now. In some situations where you do not have lots of short-term, you are therefore forced to rely on older data more (in the case of Maru - where we probably wanna use data for last 3-4 months). In the case of Flash who has played lots of games agaist top quality players in July and August, we do not need to look any further back in order to determine he probably - along with Rain is the hottest player right now. Regarding Maru, there is just a tiny too uncertainty regarding his current form and he has been losing to Effort that Flash won against, and Flash won the 1on1. We know Flash is pretty !@#$%^&* good right now, and his results are probably better than Maru's results ever were. Hence, it doens't make sense to argue that Maru here was better than Flash 4 months ago and thus deserves to be higher ranked. If that's the argument of Zealously, it's a misunderstanding of the typical intention of making a powerrank. Flash vs Rain is debateable. They are probably the two favourites going into winning the current GSL, thus it can be defended to put Rain above Flash. Not true. Maru in the last year Best player in 2014 Proleague, if you count the playoff wins 1st WCS KR S2 (OSL) 3rd/4th WCS KR S3 3rd/4th WCS S3 Finals 3rd/4th WCS Global Finals 3rd/4th Hotsix cup Top 8 in GSL 2014 S1 3rd/4th GSL 2014 S2 Flash now won 1 IEM and is still in the Ro16 of Code S And winning OSL > winning IEM But I agree that Maru might be a bit too high, and that Flash is in better form at the moment | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On September 02 2014 03:25 Superbanana wrote: Honestly, i think Maru, Taeja, Parting and Rain are too high on the list, while Cure, soO and iNnoVation are too low. *runs away Anyways, its very hard to evaluate "who is the best right now?", despite recent results im pretty sure sOs, herO and Solar still know how to play and that they maybe deserve a place on the list Its not the same as " who played better this month?", something that is not as hard to answer. Not an an easy task so i call this power rank a good job. The foreign list is prolly my own list, except that i would switch Sen with Bunny herO has been awful since Protoss hasn't been dominating. Innovation hasn't really shown much. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On September 02 2014 03:49 URLateral wrote: and Taejas worst matchup is tvt and he doesnt know what he is doing most of the time in that matchup as it is so chancy but taeja can beat any zerg and any protoss atm. And this is with every other korean player who practices probably 3x as much as taeja does as he cant play as much as he would like due to his really bad wrists. It's so hard to determine who is actually good in TvT. It's so much about build order advantage and huge volatility atm. When Major can beat Polt 5-0 and then next week lose to Supernova 0-4 (who is nowhere to be found on the list FYI), and Bunny can beat Polt 2-0 and then lose to Tajea 0-2.... then it's probably pretty clear you have to explain why lots of people aren't on the list if you put too much emphasize on 1-2 TvT series. Rather, I believe in taking TvT results with a grain of salt atm and putting a large weight on TvZ and TvP results. herO has been awful since Protoss hasn't been dominating. Innovation hasn't really shown much. Still more consistent results than Polt as I discussed in the last page. At least he is only losing to players whom I would consider top 20 players in the world. But yeh, I don't feel Hero belongs in top 10 either, rather Polt is just so far from a top-10 place that it's absolutely absurd. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 02 2014 03:47 Hider wrote: Typically don't care about discussing power-ranks, because it can be super hard to determine who is 3rd vs 5th for instance, however, your just not making any consistent logical arguments in defending Polt. If your going to defend Heros ranking over Polt becasue Hero lost to Stephano 1-2 and 1-2, good luck defending Polt's vs Stephano, Scarlett, Bunny and Major. The argument is that he A) won Red Bull Detroit and looked very good doing so, especially in dismantling Taeja, B) has been playing well consistently for the better part of the summer (this includes MLG, the Red Bull events and most of what I've seen of him online). My argument is that he has played well - with the exception of a number of series among many - and that I would rate him among the top threats in your average tournament. Given the volume of matches Polt plays every month, it's absurd to expect him to maintain the same consistency other players do. Losses will occur for whatever reason if you're participating in 10+ online/offline tournaments every month. That shouldn't detract from the fact that Polt has looked good for the most part of August. | ||
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REyeM
2674 Posts
What is you argument for ranking PartinG higher than Dear? | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
On September 02 2014 03:47 Hider wrote: Typically don't care about discussing power-ranks, because it can be super hard to determine who is 3rd vs 5th for instance, however, your just not making any consistent logical arguments in defending Polt. If your going to defend Heros ranking over Polt becasue Hero lost to Stephano 1-2 and 1-2, good luck defending Polt's vs Stephano, Scarlett, Bunny and Major. Let's jus look at what you wrote here: Thus, you mention losses to Daisy and Apocalypse and a win over Taeja, but nothing about his 0-5 loss to Major whom 1 week later went on to get owned by Supernova 0-4? Your simply just cherry-picking here which results you want to matter in the power-rank and therefore ends up with a player who in no way deserves to be on the list. When did herO lose to Stephano? | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On September 02 2014 03:47 Hider wrote: Typically don't care about discussing power-ranks, because it can be super hard to determine who is 3rd vs 5th for instance, however, your just not making any consistent logical arguments in defending Polt. If your going to defend Heros ranking over Polt becasue Hero lost to Stephano 1-2 and 1-2, good luck defending Polt's vs Stephano, Scarlett, Bunny and Major. Let's jus look at what you wrote here: Thus, you mention losses to Daisy and Apocalypse and a win over Taeja, but nothing about his 0-5 loss to Major whom 1 week later went on to get owned by Supernova 0-4? Your simply just cherry-picking here which results you want to matter in the power-rank and therefore ends up with a player who in no way deserves to be on the list. Those matches were qualifiers + unimportant matches, and losing to Major was inconsequential because he ended up qualifying for that event anyway. If you watch Polt in Destiny I, he was obviously messing around. If you judge Maru based on qualifiers, he would be pretty bad as well. | ||
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