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On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote:
As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash.
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles.
It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash.
It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team.
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On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote:
As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash.
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles.
It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team.
Agreed. Boxer dominated when BW was in its infancy. He is one of the most influential and beloved players of all time. You could easily argue that he is number one in both. However, it is also undeniable that the later players have passed him by in skill. MVP's SC2 achievements mirror Boxer's more than Flash.
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Poland3748 Posts
On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote:
As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash.
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles.
It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team.
I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title.
BoxeR is more like MC.
Anyway different games, different scenes.
But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid.
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On July 25 2014 16:57 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote:On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote:
As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash.
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles.
It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team. I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid.
I would say this is a very accurate comparison, nada lost majority of his popularity as soon as he stops winning titles. Boxer on the other hand is very much like MC, he gained his popularity through his Championships, but perpetuated it(popularity) through his personality and community interactions.
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On July 25 2014 16:57 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote:On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote:
As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash.
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles.
It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team. I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid.
MVP is like NaDa? not sure if serious.
MVP won the most prestigious tournament the GSL 4 times and was a finalist 6 times, this achievement makes him easily the greatest RTS player of all time.
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I'd rate NaDa's BW titles above Mvp's GSLs, but that's debatable. Both are great players and will be always be remembered in the community.
NaDa was/is bonjwa, mvp quite isn't. ;D
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On July 28 2014 07:18 nukkuj wrote:
I'd rate NaDa's BW titles above Mvp's GSLs, but that's debatable. Both are great players and will be always be remembered in the community.
NaDa was/is bonjwa, mvp quite isn't. ;D
that final vs Life should've been the nail in the coffin TT
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On July 28 2014 06:27 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 16:57 nimdil wrote:On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote:On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote:
As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash.
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles.
It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team. I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid. MVP is like NaDa? not sure if serious. MVP won the most prestigious tournament the GSL 4 times and was a finalist 6 times, this achievement makes him easily the greatest RTS player of all time.
NaDa won 3 osls, 3 msls, and got 4 more second place finishes. He was the most successful RTS player until flash
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Saying "X is the best RTS player of all time" isn't really relevant. What do we use to judge that ? Skills ? Subjective. Results ? There is no "value" associated with every tournament with every game that could be used to measure who is the best (hell, it's even already hard within one game !)
Just remember that some are great players that inspired the community, and who'll be remembered for a long time.
<3 MvP
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On July 28 2014 06:27 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 16:57 nimdil wrote:On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote:On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote:
As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash.
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles.
It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team. I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid. MVP is like NaDa? not sure if serious. MVP won the most prestigious tournament the GSL 4 times and was a finalist 6 times, this achievement makes him easily the greatest RTS player of all time.
hes amazing at sc2 for sure. but rts? He had a full bw career before sc2 and although was very good at the game. He was no nada. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/KeSPA_Top-30_Streaks
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On July 25 2014 16:57 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote:On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote:
As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash.
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles.
It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team. I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid.
Mvp needs his very own body thread then!
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OMG Mvp. I was just shocked and heart hurt today
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On July 28 2014 07:18 nukkuj wrote:
I'd rate NaDa's BW titles above Mvp's GSLs, but that's debatable. Both are great players and will be always be remembered in the community.
NaDa was/is bonjwa, mvp quite isn't. ;D
I like MVP a lot but NaDa played Broodwar which is a significant difference. If you compare the skills needed to play BW and SC2 on the highest level then BW is way more difficult.
Right now SC2 is the hardest eSports RTS game, but only because BW is not a mainstream eSports game anymore.
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Please no arguments for BW vs SC2, they are comparably different games with very different tournament setups. SC2 had way more large tournaments in a short duration than BW in the past afaik
I definitely agree Mvp is more like BoxeR. While Mvp didnt come in during a time of terran being the weakest race, both players popularized many core builds and mechanics (BoxeR with dropship micros during bw, moving while dropping, harrass play, Mvp 1raxFE, macro style, BC play, Ghost vs Z play.) Both had an amazing amount of recognition and earned fans and respect from all the races despite their eventual downfall.
Mvp definetely earned his place after that GSL run that ended with him vs Squirtle, and gained some more with his run vs Life.
He may not be the "Emperor" but hes definetely the king.
But still, people try to compare SC2 and BW as if comparing WoL and HotS. BW and SC2 is very different, and we merely inherited the names, tradition, and some of their players.
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I thought IM went under? So wouldn't it be natural that all it's players leave a nonexistent team?
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 25 2014 04:18 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 17:35 Sakray wrote:On July 24 2014 17:14 SuperFanBoy wrote:
MVP greatest RTS player of all time. MVP > Flash + Jaedong + insertwhoever Aerm, no, he's far from that. MVP is 6 time GSL finalist and 4 time winner and is the greatest RTS player of all time.
Ye, Moon is nobody here, for sure.
You simply can't find anyone who will stand out on top of RTS scene world after those 15 years.
But welp, that nickname.
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I'm not a fanboy type of person and never really care who wins, as long as the game quality is good and fair, but Mvp was really something. Terrans were all getting shat on (like they are now, again) and then Mvp somehow maneuvered himself to yet another title (and he deserved another one, played a lot better than Life, esp. on Daybreak).
I know he's not really retired, but his story is kind of over now, so I just wanna say thanks for the memories ;;
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On July 28 2014 06:27 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 16:57 nimdil wrote:On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote:On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote:
As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash.
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles.
It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team. I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid. MVP is like NaDa? not sure if serious. MVP won the most prestigious tournament the GSL 4 times and was a finalist 6 times, this achievement makes him easily the greatest RTS player of all time.
You shouldn't really be going there nothing positive will come from opening this box.
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