EPTOn the other hand Squirtle just had his Twittle handle changed:
https://twitter.com/SquirtlePark
Wonder how IM will hold up right now...
Mvp, Trap and Squirtle leave IM
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digmouse
China6326 Posts
On the other hand Squirtle just had his Twittle handle changed: https://twitter.com/SquirtlePark Wonder how IM will hold up right now...
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=114808&iskin=esports IM is  Mvp,  YongHwa, Squirtle,  Lucky and ByuL right now | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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WTCO
United States646 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:22 Lorning wrote: Article http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=114808&iskin=esports IM is Mvp, YongHwa, Squirtle, Lucky and ByuL right nowWill IM win one game in Proleague next season? | ||
Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Wonder which teams need quality Protoss. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
They've had a good run though. edit: Depressing 20k T_T | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Twine
France246 Posts
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:22 Lorning wrote: Article http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=114808&iskin=esports IM is Mvp, YongHwa, Squirtle, Lucky and ByuL right nowPretty sure Squirtle has left as well. Switched to WCS AM and changed his twitter name. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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Ocean_1004
Korea (South)37 Posts
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Pino
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Squirtle left too confirmed | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
btw tlpd is so outdated | ||
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Light_VIP
Australia107 Posts
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astray71
United States325 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Wonder who will pick up Mvp?! | ||
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:54 astray71 wrote: Maybe they'll absorb Startale given that they were together for Proleague. It would most likely be the other way around. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
Guess it didn't solve anything | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
Sad day :'( | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:54 astray71 wrote: Maybe they'll absorb Startale given that they were together for Proleague. Honestly all the Startale players live in the IM house so they should just merge already. | ||
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ETisME
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
Edit: Prime gonna be last original eSF team | ||
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ChopTheHassan
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
On July 23 2014 16:00 ChopTheHassan wrote: I'm more worried about who KeSPA will find to be the 8th team for Proleague if Incredible Miracle does end up disbanding. On the bright side they will have plenty of time before the next season starts. Azubu 3.0 | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:52 Arceus wrote: At some points of SPL, IM were adding players like crazy, and now they are down to 4 players. I thought coach Kang was great at sustaining the team btw tlpd is so outdated Those were just partnerships for the SPL season. Trap and Lucky were the only actual IM members signed around SPL. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
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Creager
Germany1885 Posts
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neptunusfisk
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User15937
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MitchConner
France3 Posts
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On July 23 2014 16:24 MitchConner wrote: Dear God, please make Squirtle go to Mill. I hope he goes to a team that needs a clever toss.. like Acer? Or that Squirtle, Trap, Dear and DRG form a new team with Yoda and Mvp and win SPL next season | ||
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Socup
190 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:34 Twine wrote: Thats sad for a team that once had the greatest players in it (Nestea MVP hype ) Nestea is actually 31 years old already, I was like dayum. His liquipedia file says he's still playing though. I haven't heard anything myself recently about him. Is he still actually around free agent style? | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On July 23 2014 16:28 Socup wrote: Nestea is actually 31 years old already, I was like dayum. His liquipedia file says he's still playing though. I haven't heard anything myself recently about him. Is he still actually around free agent style? GEM agent, made it to Ro16 of WCS AM s2 | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On July 23 2014 16:03 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Those were just partnerships for the SPL season. Trap and Lucky were the only actual IM members signed around SPL. I mean that didnt bode well for IM since they recruited dozen of mercs and ditched their home-growns. Now everyone left, the team is bound to collapse | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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Alvis
876 Posts
It is very sad to see one of the greatest team in SCII history going like this. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:56 pPingu wrote: They joined kespa because of financial issues Guess it didn't solve anything Didn't they join KeSPA to play in LoL proleague? I think IM willl end up with ByuL & YongHwa, and shift focus onto their LoL teams | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
I hope Squirtle in particular finds a good home | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
my heart bleeds | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
Please oh please IM don't disband now... | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
I didn't think this day would actually happen | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Rip Incredible Miracle, they had the best logo too of the original teams Oh well, MVP Prime Life Prime confirmed :D | ||
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On July 23 2014 17:44 DarkLordOlli wrote: Mvp left too... Holy shit, that's it... I'm a very sad panda right now... | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Very sad Hope all these guys keep going and get snapped up soon. Would be very sad to see ByuL, Squirtle and Mvp retire | ||
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GreenMash
Norway1746 Posts
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Germany3367 Posts
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Singapore5741 Posts
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United States3704 Posts
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Hungary5212 Posts
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France3160 Posts
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
please go to kespa teams! | ||
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Trius
Ukraine273 Posts
On July 23 2014 17:46 Pandemona wrote: MVP Prime Life Prime confirmed :D More like Cascade Mvp SKT T1 Life | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
time to find a new team logo for that thingie on the bottom right i guessMvp neeeeeeds to get a good new team though!!! | ||
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Lorch
Germany3668 Posts
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On July 23 2014 17:56 Schelim wrote: well shit time to find a new team logo for that thingie on the bottom right i guessMvp neeeeeeds to get a good new team though!!! don't you dare picking another logo! | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
I have been worrying for teams like Prime, MVP, StarTale and Incredible Miracle who don't have that one big backer like Jin Air, Samsung, KT and SKT1 do for some time now. I hope IM are just cutting back to pick up some younger and upcoming players (who would cost less) and not disbanding completely. Although I must say that isn't more likely the latter unfortunately. | ||
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Morphage
France492 Posts
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Germany17651 Posts
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Japan762 Posts
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England2927 Posts
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United States2969 Posts
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United States2084 Posts
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iMrising
United States1099 Posts
this breaks my heart | ||
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United Kingdom3867 Posts
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 23 2014 18:09 LongShot27 wrote: Startale will likely absorb what remains of IM and take their place in proleague Honestly with what's left of IM and ST combined they'd do very poorly in Pro League I imagine. Don't see it happening. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On July 23 2014 18:16 Phredxor wrote: Honestly with what's left of IM and ST combined they'd do very poorly in Pro League I imagine. Don't see it happening. No, it'd probably be about the same as this past season. ByuL is already one of the best in the league and he'd be supported by Hack, Life, Curious, and Yonghwa who could all improve. | ||
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Mudfallz
United States28 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 23 2014 18:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: No, it'd probably be about the same as this past season. ByuL is already one of the best in the league and he'd be supported by Hack, Life, Curious, and Yonghwa who could all improve. Right! For some strange reason I was thinking ByuL had left too. :s | ||
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
On July 23 2014 18:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: No, it'd probably be about the same as this past season. ByuL is already one of the best in the league and he'd be supported by Hack, Life, Curious, and Yonghwa who could all improve. And possibly also Hero, who's currently slumping, but is often quite a potent competitor, who racked up 20 wins last proleague, and still maintained a positive record this proleague. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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digmouse
China6326 Posts
On July 23 2014 18:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: No, it'd probably be about the same as this past season. ByuL is already one of the best in the league and he'd be supported by Hack, Life, Curious, and Yonghwa who could all improve. Besides Life those guys are pretty mediocre these days, and Life is never a team league player. | ||
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 23 2014 18:28 digmouse wrote: Besides Life those guys are pretty mediocre these days, and Life is never a team league player. Pretty much what I was thinking. Without ByuL that team would almost certainly be dead last. Probably even with him. Pretty unlikely ST would want to enter PL anyway, or else surely they would have done so this season when they had more players? | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On July 23 2014 18:28 digmouse wrote: Besides Life those guys are pretty mediocre these days, and Life is never a team league player. I mean, I'm leaning more towards expecting IM to outright disband. If they don't though, they could still have a decent team with ST. It'd still be better than Prime and MVP. Maybe less so if next season is a bo7. ByuL is definitely not mediocre in SPL. He's easily the best asset to the team and was only 2 wins shy of making the Kespa Cup (top 2 in the league). Life isn't as good in team leagues, but is still dangerous enough to be one of the better players. That alone right there gets you an ace match if it's still bo5, where ByuL can come out to play again :p | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On July 23 2014 17:52 LeLfe wrote: I'm afraid it'll be GEMMvp :/ there you go : http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=142625&db=issue | ||
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lystier
China877 Posts
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Pandahunterz
Netherlands213 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On July 23 2014 18:45 LeLfe wrote: there you go : http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=142625&db=issue GEMZubu putting in work | ||
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gTank
Austria2542 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
They're an esports management group, formerly known as emg. Believed to be funded by AZUBU/Clauf | ||
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Azelja
Japan762 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:00 Darrkhan wrote: The fuck is Global Esports Man? http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=142625&db=issue http://www.ongamers.com/articles/global-esports-management-launches-with-impressive-client-roster-interview-with-co-founder/1100-1019/ http://gem.gg/ They are a management group and they have a sick lineup of clients. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:08 Dodgin wrote: As a fan I'd rather see mvp with a personal sponsor and not another team. Maybe he will play in tournaments other than wcs again. The article says something about GEM helping him find a new team (although google translate can be entirely wrong). | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
How can anybody be surprised that big teams are failing. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote: The article says something about GEM helping him find a new team (although google translate can be entirely wrong). Well I'm prepared to be sad then. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Mvp.Prime | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:13 Psychobabas wrote: GSL right now at a ridiculous 9.5k viewers only. How can anybody be surprised that big teams are failing. It's downtime in a non-hype group in Code A, it's not what GSL is all about lol And 10k (non-korean) viewers live for a KR prime time event is kinda big... | ||
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TTBest
Germany74 Posts
The only possibility is that some foreign team replaces IM (MVP and Prime don't look healthy either...) | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:17 TTBest wrote: Oh no, i guess there is no chance we are going to see one more PL season in 2015 The only possibility is that some foreign team replaces IM (MVP and Prime don't look healthy either...) They could just downsize to 6 teams. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
Although I am a fan of both the team and the players, so maybe this can give them(the players) a new start(which they might've needed) | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:13 Psychobabas wrote: GSL right now at a ridiculous 9.5k viewers only. How can anybody be surprised that big teams are failing. It's just a code A group, they are always around 10-15k and you forget that the korean audience is their main demographic. | ||
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Pino
1032 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:16 neptunusfisk wrote: It's downtime in a non-hype group in Code A, it's not what GSL is all about lol And 10k (non-korean) viewers live for a KR prime time event is kinda big... A LoL quarter final has 36k wowowow !! It's close to being irrelevant | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
sc2 refuses to die still I really don't see any solution for the next PL | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:28 Pino wrote: A LoL quarter final has 36k wowowow !! It's close to being irrelevant Lol have 10 players per game instead of 2 and it's free... What do you expect ? On July 23 2014 19:38 xuanzue wrote: I'm worried for the fate of proleague without IM and DRG leaving mvp sc2 refuses to die still I really don't see any solution for the next PL Axiom ? Acer ? MyI ? TL ? An alliance of all that ? DRG leaves MVP ? What ? didn't saw that on TL | ||
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padiseal2
Austria721 Posts
On July 23 2014 15:25 Phredxor wrote: Dear and Trap both free agents again. Wonder which teams need quality Protoss. Dear is already at Samsung team house, won't be long until it's announced I recon. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:41 padiseal2 wrote: Dear is already at Samsung team house, won't be long until it's announced I recon. Oh awesome! That'd be sick for Samsung :D | ||
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ETisME
12304 Posts
I dont think he would leave unless the team really cannot function well anymore because him and the manager got through so much together | ||
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Pino
1032 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:38 FFW_Rude wrote: Lol have 10 players per game instead of 2 and it's free... What do you expect ? Axiom ? Acer ? MyI ? TL ? An alliance of all that ? DRG leaves MVP ? What ? didn't saw that on TL My point was to say that sc2 audiences are not that bad, and that pointing to foreign audiences is irrelevant | ||
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Azelja
Japan762 Posts
And foreign audiences are not really irrelevant at all. Not the most important factor but faaaaaar, far away from irrelevant. Edit: And at the same time, the LoL audiences tend to not value the korean scene as highly as the BW scene, due to many people being more casual about it and heavily favoring teams from "their region", rather than the top notch play. | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: This is really the end of an era. RIP SC2 Proleague, RIP scene PL is still alive, the scene is not dying | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
On July 23 2014 19:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: This is really the end of an era. RIP SC2 Proleague, RIP scene On July 23 2014 19:17 TTBest wrote: Oh no, i guess there is no chance we are going to see one more PL season in 2015 The only possibility is that some foreign team replaces IM (MVP and Prime don't look healthy either...) KeSPA has already mentioned being very positive about the next season of Proleague. Don't worry about it. I'm sad to see this happen to IM, though. They've been a favorite team of mine for long, especially after they picked up Squirtle. IM didn't pump out GSL champions anymore, but they still had 5 players in Code S last season, behind only SKTT1 with 6 players. I was really excited to see what they could do next season of Proleague. Oh well, at least if Squirtle is picked up by a foreign team, I'll get to see him at more events!  | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
gotta say this all skumbag lg's fault. pulling sponsorship, not paying out the sponsorhisip etc | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
Do we know anything about PL's status? Seems like they're running out of teams. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:19 Squat wrote: Do we know anything about PL's status? Seems like they're running out of teams. PL has confirmed at least one more season | ||
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Calt
Finland1140 Posts
"RIP scene" my ass ~_~ | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Not trying to doomsay here but the STX coach/head guy also announced that STX was not disbanding live on stage when STX won PL. We can't really take a forum post as complete confirmation. All signs point to proleague continuing in some form though. | ||
SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
Really sad about IM though, seems just a while ago they were looking positive with LG and one of the teams we though were safe from disband. Sadly we'll see more teams/players going away. Wouldn't be surprise to see a few merges between non-original Kespa teams. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:29 Thrillz wrote: "The scene is not dying." Maybe dying isn't the word you want, but declining? Definitely. Ever since the bw teams switching over the Korean sc2 scene (referring to pro players) has been too big for its own good. Consolidation has just taken too long, which makes it seem more painful than neccessary. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
I hope it will be longer than just one more season. Without Proleague you'd have no Jin Air Green Wings, SKT1, KT Rolster or Samsung Galaxy Khan. The teams would just disband and all these players would be without teams. Some would be picked up but a lot wouldn't and would have to retire. It would be the beginning of the end for StarCraft in Korea. That said I think Proleague will be safe. I can't see it stopping. What kind of viewer numbers do SPOTV get in Korea from the Korean viewers? | ||
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WillS
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:33 Redox wrote: Ever since the bw teams switching over the Korean sc2 scene (referring to pro players) has been too big for its own good. Consolidation has just taken too long, which makes it seem more painful than neccessary. But it is declining, even if you want to excuse the loss of team/players because of the influx of kespa. Viewership, threads, have gotten smaller. Let's not get doom and gloom and say it'll be dead soon, but to say it's going as expected or there not need to worry is just shortsighted. It's trending downwards sadly or at the very least stagnating. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:36 Crot4le wrote: I hope it will be longer than just one more season. Without Proleague you'd have no Jin Air Green Wings, SKT1, KT Rolster or Samsung Galaxy Khan. The teams would just disband and all these players would be without teams. Some would be picked up but a lot wouldn't and would have to retire. It would be the beginning of the end for StarCraft in Korea. That said I think Proleague will be safe. I can't see it stopping. What kind of viewer numbers do SPOTV get in Korea from the Korean viewers? Sonic Proleague is still around. If that happens, they can join their old teams if they'd like. | ||
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
Once the team with all the championships and sponsors is functionally no more - even if it lasts a little longer. Amazing that MVP and Prime who were both hurting for so long are looking to outlive the beast that is IM. | ||
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Nebulem
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
End of an era. | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States692 Posts
Besides, I'm guessing IM will be absorbed by Startale and we'll have Startale in Kespa. *butseriouslyproleagueplzi'mgoingtokoreanextyeariwanttogotoproleague;o;* | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On July 23 2014 21:08 ZombieGrub wrote: While I do keep in mind the whole STX-lying to us thing, I'm fairly positive Proleague is happy with what's happening in terms of viewership (live especially!) Besides, I'm guessing IM will be absorbed by Startale and we'll have Startale in Kespa. *butseriouslyproleagueplzi'mgoingtokoreanextyeariwanttogotoproleague;o;* Decided to cash in on that monster donation? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43823 Posts
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
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Tngabor
Serbia60 Posts
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ZombieGrub
United States692 Posts
On July 23 2014 21:10 BisuDagger wrote: Decided to cash in on that monster donation? haha why does everyone assume I use that for other reasons when it clearly went to IEM Canada  I'mma be teaching English chu know. On the topic again, I wonder if it's possible they'll simply fill their roster with lesser-knowns. Someone pointed out that's what they did for their LoL team. It's not the same as having heavy hitters on their team but. | ||
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Singapore1949 Posts
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
Anyway SPL ends in like 10 days, august will be full of teams reorganisation, merge and disbanding, players switching teams or retiring, rookies being recruited and such. IMHO, the stage choosen for SPL final is a good sign there's a future for SC2 in Korea, and if the event itslef is as crazy as SKT T1 vs CJ and if the crowd is huge, then we ll know sc2 will shine on Honestly, the hardest times are almost behind us, and the situation looks brighter than last year. | ||
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XDEKSDEEXD
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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Vertigro
United Kingdom261 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On July 23 2014 21:24 ZombieGrub wrote: haha why does everyone assume I use that for other reasons when it clearly went to IEM Canada I'mma be teaching English chu know. On the topic again, I wonder if it's possible they'll simply fill their roster with lesser-knowns. Someone pointed out that's what they did for their LoL team. It's not the same as having heavy hitters on their team but. Bullshit. I know you are going to be a tribute in the Korean Hunger Games. | ||
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holmesgenius
Vietnam65 Posts
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robson1
3632 Posts
Looks like they are going down.... | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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ThomasjServo
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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NihilisticGod
Northern Ireland174 Posts
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
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vult
United States9399 Posts
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extinctosaurus
101 Posts
But seriously am glad to see Mvp as a GEM agent at least. Was afraid he would retire. But so sad about IM I was already getting worried when Nestea left | ||
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Creager
Germany1885 Posts
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Eliv
Czech Republic32 Posts
On July 23 2014 22:46 Creager wrote: TL, you know it's time for you to go and get Mvp and Nestea on your team (and actually never let them retire by contract)!!! TL picking up Mvp would be so sick haha. | ||
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Orlok
Korea (South)227 Posts
Link(its in korean):http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000005302&date=20140723&page=1 With only Byul and Lucky on the team, its getting almost safe to say that when the rest of their contracts run out, they too will leave IM. Sad for the only team apart from Prime that kept the fire going from the beginning all the way today. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Sidhoum
France21 Posts
Well, it's not exactly their way to go with Koreans... It's actually the opposite. They recruit(ed) lesser known Koreans with lot of potential, not declining legends (for SC2 at least) | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
I wonder if a foreigner team will pick up MVP, but even if he is I don't know how long he would continue to play given he is only active in a few tournaments at this point. | ||
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Poland3748 Posts
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
On July 23 2014 22:55 Orlok wrote: This additional loss is going to hurt, but at this stage, I don't know if it will make a big difference. Yongwha is also leaving the team Link(its in korean):http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000005302&date=20140723&page=1 With only Byul and Lucky on the team, its getting almost safe to say that when the rest of their contracts run out, they too will leave IM. Sad for the only team apart from Prime that kept the fire going from the beginning all the way today. So that leaves Byul and Lucky? If there is no announcement about Byul leaving in the next 24 hours I'd be surprised. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 23 2014 22:55 Orlok wrote: This additional loss is going to hurt, but at this stage, I don't know if it will make a big difference. Yongwha is also leaving the team Link(its in korean):http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000005302&date=20140723&page=1 With only Byul and Lucky on the team, its getting almost safe to say that when the rest of their contracts run out, they too will leave IM. Sad for the only team apart from Prime that kept the fire going from the beginning all the way today. Not YongHwa too | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
#SixSeasonsAndAMovie Mvp not being on IM is just...unimaginable to me. Then again, I felt the same way about Nestea and Losira. I guess this was somewhat inevitable. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
Wolf has stated that IM has disbanded | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
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KatatoniK
United Kingdom978 Posts
A little worried for Trap and even more so for Lucky, if Trap can do well in Code A on Friday then maybe someone will pick him up but Lucky is really going to struggle. | ||
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On July 23 2014 23:45 BisuDagger wrote: NoTMvp, are you serious? T_T edit: I think I fell for something | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 23 2014 23:45 BisuDagger wrote: I kept clicking it Goddammit BisuDagger | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
you really are a precious one aren't you | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8218 Posts
Looks like Incredible Miracle is dead.. | ||
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urasyupi2
United States810 Posts
On July 23 2014 23:16 Iodem wrote: https://twitter.com/proxywolf/status/491945140399792129 Wolf has stated that IM has disbanded NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 24 2014 00:04 Noocta wrote: Prime outlived IM, hahaha And nobody should be surprised | ||
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geokilla
Canada8218 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:51 Thrillz wrote: But it is declining, even if you want to excuse the loss of team/players because of the influx of kespa. Viewership, threads, have gotten smaller. Let's not get doom and gloom and say it'll be dead soon, but to say it's going as expected or there not need to worry is just shortsighted. It's trending downwards sadly or at the very least stagnating. All the tournaments don't help you know. There are way too many tournaments. It wears out the players as they are not given time to rest, practice, and have a life. Yes they are professionals but professionals have a life too. The SC2 scene is too saturated not just in players and teams, but in content and weekend tournaments as well. On July 23 2014 23:16 Iodem wrote: https://twitter.com/proxywolf/status/491945140399792129 Wolf has stated that IM has disbanded Wow that's so sad... RIP Incredible Miracle. I'm surprised Prime is still alive despite being the joke team in Korea now. Why not? | ||
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ArchangelJada
Canada910 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 24 2014 00:09 geokilla wrote: All the tournaments don't help you know. There are way too many tournaments. It wears out the players as they are not given time to rest, practice, and have a life. Yes they are professionals but professionals have a life too. The SC2 scene is too saturated not just in players and teams, but in content and weekend tournaments as well. Wow that's so sad... RIP Incredible Miracle. I'm surprised Prime is still alive despite being the joke team in Korea now. Why not? Cause they're the bestest team ever And they didn't get fucked over by their sponsor + Prime has income with their online site Oh and btw ST and MVP didn't disband yet | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17588 Posts
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8218 Posts
On July 24 2014 00:14 Lorning wrote: Cause they're the bestest team ever And they didn't get fucked over by their sponsor + Prime has income with their online site Oh and btw ST and MVP didn't disband yet Prime has a site? Link please. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
http://www.primezzang.net/ | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Also, how long before Samsung.Dear and Samsung.Trap? | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
They had a great run, no other team has had more GSL titles under their wings. It went downhill ever after LG decided to abandon them. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On July 24 2014 00:04 Noocta wrote: Prime outlived IM, hahaha That Barbie paycheck. Seriously tho how?! | ||
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
No team even now has won that many gsl titles, and I don't think we will see the record surpassed. mvp is probably going to retire or go to the army too. Truly the end of a great era | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On July 23 2014 23:49 The_Templar wrote: NoTMvp, are you serious? T_T edit: I think I fell for something I love you both dearly. I'm having a terribly drull day. | ||
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viasacra89
United States134 Posts
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Synergysc
United States25 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
There was a joke about Prime outlliving IM back in the days.. But holy fuck. Mvp what are you doing. | ||
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iamho
United States3345 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 24 2014 01:16 iamho wrote: There are too few teams in SPL now Still 7 + there is always possibility of Startale or even foreign team. Or even something like reincarnation of Team 8. I swear, we can build contender for top-4 just from Koreans in GSL without teams. Even if there are 7 teams, LoL-Masters had 7 and it was ok. + It's just July right now, not December. | ||
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nimbim
Germany983 Posts
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
I wonder where Mvp and Trap end up. I can see Mvp retiring - which would the end of an even more significant era, and a true loss to the scene - but I think Trap will stay in Korea, and possibly join another Kespa team. I like him and would want him to join KT, but I'm not sure if they're interested in another Protoss (would instead want a decent Zerg. Life, anyone?). Best of luck to all ex-IM players in finding what they're looking for. | ||
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
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Pandahunterz
Netherlands213 Posts
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Anlo
Sweden485 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Them Axiom boys want someone else to do the dishes and the easiest way of doing that is to grab some more players yo! | ||
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VisonKai
United States2203 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On July 24 2014 01:39 Anlo wrote: Axiom to recruit half of them and take the SPL by storm, how I know? + Show Spoiler + Them Axiom boys want someone else to do the dishes and the easiest way of doing that is to grab some more players yo! If they were going to pick anyone up Byul would be the best one of the lot for a round lineup, but even that is unlikely. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
hope they don't retire and find teams | ||
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Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
On July 24 2014 01:42 VisonKai wrote: If ST takes their place in PL will Prime fans stop calling it a daed tem? I'll consider it | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 23 2014 20:23 Dodgin wrote: Not trying to doomsay here but the STX coach/head guy also announced that STX was not disbanding live on stage when STX won PL. We can't really take a forum post as complete confirmation. All signs point to proleague continuing in some form though. Also, kespa before confirmed that LoL world finals would be in korea and then we find out it's split b/w 3 countries and that forced the kespa president to write a long apology letter. Nothing is ever set in stone. | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
On July 24 2014 01:20 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: + It's just July right now, not December. I sounds like more time for teams to be dismantled and players to retire to me. Because aren't most Korean eSports contracts up sometime between the end of proleague and next proleague? I really hope the new Korean weekly will help things over there. | ||
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superspeed
Canada9 Posts
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On July 23 2014 18:34 Phredxor wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking. Without ByuL that team would almost certainly be dead last. Probably even with him. Pretty unlikely ST would want to enter PL anyway, or else surely they would have done so this season when they had more players? Startale was legally unable to join kespa due to their being an eSF team when it still existed. You can't join kespa during the middle of a season, thats why they partnered with IM. | ||
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OLeee
United States4 Posts
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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covetousrat
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odaxium
United States356 Posts
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DeadCell
Canada255 Posts
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
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HeyImFinn
United States250 Posts
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
On July 24 2014 17:14 SuperFanBoy wrote: MVP greatest RTS player of all time. MVP > Flash + Jaedong + insertwhoever Aerm, no, he's far from that. | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Pretty sure it him alluding to Tasteless casts when Mvp is involved, referring to him as the greatest RTS player of all time. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
I hope Nestea and Mvp can join the same team for old time sake. On July 24 2014 17:47 [17]Purple wrote: Pretty sure it him alluding to Tasteless casts when Mvp is involved, referring to him as the greatest RTS player of all time. I think that was Innovation. The Bonjourno of all bonjournos. | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
He's not far from that. He achieved more in SC2 than anyone so in a way he is like Flash. But there's no comparing these two players. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 24 2014 23:38 nimdil wrote: He's not far from that. He achieved more in SC2 than anyone so in a way he is like Flash. But there's no comparing these two players. No he isn't "like" Flash. Mvp was the best Brood War player to ever switch to SC2 (at that time) so that's why he have won so many. But after Kespa players made the switch, Mvp hasn't done shit. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On July 24 2014 23:53 Xiphos wrote: No he isn't "like" Flash. Mvp was the best Brood War player to ever switch to SC2 (at that time) so that's why he have won so many. But after Kespa players made the switch, Mvp hasn't done shit. Mvp is no bonjwa, but you're wrong. Mvp won so much because he's fucking brilliant. Even today, I'd wager Mvp in terms of decisions is top-tier. The guy knows how to plan a series out. It isn't Kespa that accounted for Mvp's drop in results. He was already withering away on a mechanical level long before they made the transition. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On July 24 2014 23:53 Xiphos wrote: No he isn't "like" Flash. Mvp was the best Brood War player to ever switch to SC2 (at that time) so that's why he have won so many. But after Kespa players made the switch, Mvp hasn't done shit. You know, nothing besides go 5-5 in semifinals across two premier tournaments against the best kespa players a few months to a year after the switch. And nearly win one of those tournaments. And, you know, he totally obliterated everyone at tournaments where there were no kespa players. -.- | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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ETisME
12304 Posts
On July 24 2014 23:53 Xiphos wrote: No he isn't "like" Flash. Mvp was the best Brood War player to ever switch to SC2 (at that time) so that's why he have won so many. But after Kespa players made the switch, Mvp hasn't done shit. ...lol it's almost like you have no idea how much he innovated the matchups. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On July 25 2014 00:08 The_Templar wrote: You know, nothing besides go 5-5 in semifinals across two premier tournaments against the best kespa players a few months to a year after the switch. And nearly win one of those tournaments. And, you know, he totally obliterated everyone at tournaments where there were no kespa players. -.- Outside of all that I just hope he doesn't retire. I remember reading about him tell his story earlier on in SC2's life about how is family was poor, how he used to be very sick, and how SC2 really gave him a light in the darkness. I just hope that light hasn't been eclipsed, or if it has that he has a solid next step (then again this is MVP and the guy is tactically incredible). | ||
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
On July 24 2014 23:53 Xiphos wrote: No he isn't "like" Flash. Mvp was the best Brood War player to ever switch to SC2 (at that time) so that's why he have won so many. But after Kespa players made the switch, Mvp hasn't done shit. Mvp's decline is more likely due to wrist and neck condition than anything. When it began, he couldn't clip his own nails since his hands had no strength, and it only got worse after that. I have no idea why he continues to play games rather than heal at that point. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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cythaze
830 Posts
I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles. | ||
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Earthwings
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*inhale* very long time. | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
MVP is 6 time GSL finalist and 4 time winner and is the greatest RTS player of all time. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On July 25 2014 03:08 cythaze wrote: As someone who was rooting for Mvp´s opponents in his most important matches (Nestea at blizzcon, Squirtle in gsl finals), so you could say i am a non-believer or whatever, I think what Mvp has done in SC2 is pretty close to the level of dominance of Flash. I´d rather compare him to Boxer anyway as both were just matchup-defining, creative killer machines that could/should have won so many more titles. It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team. | ||
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jeri
Germany335 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote: It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team. Agreed. Boxer dominated when BW was in its infancy. He is one of the most influential and beloved players of all time. You could easily argue that he is number one in both. However, it is also undeniable that the later players have passed him by in skill. MVP's SC2 achievements mirror Boxer's more than Flash. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On July 25 2014 05:45 renaissanceMAN wrote: It's hard to compare him to either player, but I'd agree that he's more like Boxer than Flash. It's just going to be really sad to see an SC2 without MVP if he doesn't join a new team. I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid. | ||
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vitruvia
Canada235 Posts
On July 25 2014 16:57 nimdil wrote: I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid. I would say this is a very accurate comparison, nada lost majority of his popularity as soon as he stops winning titles. Boxer on the other hand is very much like MC, he gained his popularity through his Championships, but perpetuated it(popularity) through his personality and community interactions. | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
On July 25 2014 16:57 nimdil wrote: I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid. MVP is like NaDa? not sure if serious. MVP won the most prestigious tournament the GSL 4 times and was a finalist 6 times, this achievement makes him easily the greatest RTS player of all time. | ||
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nukkuj
Finland403 Posts
NaDa was/is bonjwa, mvp quite isn't. ;D | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On July 28 2014 07:18 nukkuj wrote: I'd rate NaDa's BW titles above Mvp's GSLs, but that's debatable. Both are great players and will be always be remembered in the community. NaDa was/is bonjwa, mvp quite isn't. ;D that final vs Life should've been the nail in the coffin TT | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On July 28 2014 06:27 SuperFanBoy wrote: MVP is like NaDa? not sure if serious. MVP won the most prestigious tournament the GSL 4 times and was a finalist 6 times, this achievement makes him easily the greatest RTS player of all time. NaDa won 3 osls, 3 msls, and got 4 more second place finishes. He was the most successful RTS player until flash | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
Just remember that some are great players that inspired the community, and who'll be remembered for a long time. <3 MvP | ||
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KingFool
Canada428 Posts
On July 28 2014 06:27 SuperFanBoy wrote: MVP is like NaDa? not sure if serious. MVP won the most prestigious tournament the GSL 4 times and was a finalist 6 times, this achievement makes him easily the greatest RTS player of all time. hes amazing at sc2 for sure. but rts? He had a full bw career before sc2 and although was very good at the game. He was no nada. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/KeSPA_Top-30_Streaks | ||
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cythaze
830 Posts
On July 25 2014 16:57 nimdil wrote: I'd say Mvp is more like NaDa. He wasn't the first multichampion but when he finally started winning, he won a lot, and later on was still able to win a title. BoxeR is more like MC. Anyway different games, different scenes. But saying that Mvp is the greatest RTS player of all time is just plain stupid. Mvp needs his very own body thread then! | ||
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youngkrazz
United States14 Posts
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
On July 28 2014 07:18 nukkuj wrote: I'd rate NaDa's BW titles above Mvp's GSLs, but that's debatable. Both are great players and will be always be remembered in the community. NaDa was/is bonjwa, mvp quite isn't. ;D I like MVP a lot but NaDa played Broodwar which is a significant difference. If you compare the skills needed to play BW and SC2 on the highest level then BW is way more difficult. Right now SC2 is the hardest eSports RTS game, but only because BW is not a mainstream eSports game anymore. | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
I definitely agree Mvp is more like BoxeR. While Mvp didnt come in during a time of terran being the weakest race, both players popularized many core builds and mechanics (BoxeR with dropship micros during bw, moving while dropping, harrass play, Mvp 1raxFE, macro style, BC play, Ghost vs Z play.) Both had an amazing amount of recognition and earned fans and respect from all the races despite their eventual downfall. Mvp definetely earned his place after that GSL run that ended with him vs Squirtle, and gained some more with his run vs Life. He may not be the "Emperor" but hes definetely the king. But still, people try to compare SC2 and BW as if comparing WoL and HotS. BW and SC2 is very different, and we merely inherited the names, tradition, and some of their players. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 25 2014 04:18 SuperFanBoy wrote: MVP is 6 time GSL finalist and 4 time winner and is the greatest RTS player of all time. Ye, Moon is nobody here, for sure. You simply can't find anyone who will stand out on top of RTS scene world after those 15 years. But welp, that nickname. | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
I know he's not really retired, but his story is kind of over now, so I just wanna say thanks for the memories ;; | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On July 28 2014 06:27 SuperFanBoy wrote: MVP is like NaDa? not sure if serious. MVP won the most prestigious tournament the GSL 4 times and was a finalist 6 times, this achievement makes him easily the greatest RTS player of all time. You shouldn't really be going there nothing positive will come from opening this box. | ||
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