JYP leaves Evil Geniuses.

On July 01 2014 02:12 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Unexpected but with EG slowly phasing out of Korea it isn't too shocking. Wish the best for JYP and him finding a team soon.

On July 01 2014 02:23 SirVandeKamp wrote:
EG should be happy with the success JYP has given them. I imagine that he was no longer the best fit, as he was hesitant to leave Korea for international success (and even when he did, he didn't breakout in flying colors).

It just means that EG is turning into what it originally was, a premier foreign team. And I am okay with that.

On July 01 2014 02:23 iNcontroL wrote:
I am not speaking on any formal capacity but from what I gather...

JYP has been struggling to keep SC2 at the top of his priority list. Dropping out of WCS NA was a huge blow to his motivation/desire to continue to be a progamer afaik. Following that loss he was "afk" for nearly a month missing clan wars and was uncreachable via online communication. He took that loss really hard

It's super hard to be a progamer in korea atm with there being more talented players and fewer teams/leagues etc that are willing to pay said progamers for their talents.

JYP has been with us for a long time and he is a fucking awesome human being. Always friendly and complementary, willing to practice at any time and in his day was a helluva protoss. JYP will be missed <3

PS! As an aside.. one cool story about JYP and how he joined EG:

Puma and JYP were/are good friends and when Puma knew he would face MC in the finals of NASL he practiced as much as he could for this matchup as he knew those finals would change his life. Naturely at a US based tourney like this he didn't have weeks or even days to practice he had THAT night so he reached out in need of a friend/progamer to help him practice TvP and as the hours were horrible for his korean brethren most said no due to the fact that they'd have to play from something like 5am - 10am or whatever. Only JYP said yes staying up and playing at horrible hours for as long as Puma needed to help his friend win the NASL. After that Puma asked that JYP join the otherwise all non korean lineup of EG. Management fell in love with a guy that had such a great work ethic and dedication to his fellow teammate(s) so the choice was easy!

Love ya JYP <3

On July 01 2014 02:34 Penguinator wrote:
EG roster looking weaker and weaker lately... JD is their only top tier player left :/

On July 01 2014 02:23 iNcontroL wrote:
I am not speaking on any formal capacity but from what I gather...

JYP has been struggling to keep SC2 at the top of his priority list. Dropping out of WCS NA was a huge blow to his motivation/desire to continue to be a progamer afaik. Following that loss he was "afk" for nearly a month missing clan wars and was uncreachable via online communication. He took that loss really hard

It's super hard to be a progamer in korea atm with there being more talented players and fewer teams/leagues etc that are willing to pay said progamers for their talents.

JYP has been with us for a long time and he is a fucking awesome human being. Always friendly and complementary, willing to practice at any time and in his day was a helluva protoss. JYP will be missed <3

PS! As an aside.. one cool story about JYP and how he joined EG:

Puma and JYP were/are good friends and when Puma knew he would face MC in the finals of NASL he practiced as much as he could for this matchup as he knew those finals would change his life. Naturely at a US based tourney like this he didn't have weeks or even days to practice he had THAT night so he reached out in need of a friend/progamer to help him practice TvP and as the hours were horrible for his korean brethren most said no due to the fact that they'd have to play from something like 5am - 10am or whatever. Only JYP said yes staying up and playing at horrible hours for as long as Puma needed to help his friend win the NASL. After that Puma asked that JYP join the otherwise all non korean lineup of EG. Management fell in love with a guy that had such a great work ethic and dedication to his fellow teammate(s) so the choice was easy!

Love ya JYP <3

On July 01 2014 02:23 iNcontroL wrote:
I am not speaking on any formal capacity but from what I gather...

JYP has been struggling to keep SC2 at the top of his priority list. Dropping out of WCS NA was a huge blow to his motivation/desire to continue to be a progamer afaik. Following that loss he was "afk" for nearly a month missing clan wars and was uncreachable via online communication. He took that loss really hard

It's super hard to be a progamer in korea atm with there being more talented players and fewer teams/leagues etc that are willing to pay said progamers for their talents.

JYP has been with us for a long time and he is a fucking awesome human being. Always friendly and complementary, willing to practice at any time and in his day was a helluva protoss. JYP will be missed <3

PS! As an aside.. one cool story about JYP and how he joined EG:

Puma and JYP were/are good friends and when Puma knew he would face MC in the finals of NASL he practiced as much as he could for this matchup as he knew those finals would change his life. Naturely at a US based tourney like this he didn't have weeks or even days to practice he had THAT night so he reached out in need of a friend/progamer to help him practice TvP and as the hours were horrible for his korean brethren most said no due to the fact that they'd have to play from something like 5am - 10am or whatever. Only JYP said yes staying up and playing at horrible hours for as long as Puma needed to help his friend win the NASL. After that Puma asked that JYP join the otherwise all non korean lineup of EG. Management fell in love with a guy that had such a great work ethic and dedication to his fellow teammate(s) so the choice was easy!

Love ya JYP <3

On July 01 2014 03:49 azngamer828 wrote:
On Suppys stream yesterday (06/29/2014), i asked him why he wasnt in the lair.
He replied that EG doesnt have space for SC2 members anymore.
I know it isnt worth mentioning, but by assumption maybe EG felt that sc2 was, in a sense, a dead game and wasnt worth trying to support it.

On July 01 2014 04:20 ReboundEU wrote:
- HuK...ever since he won MLG like 2 years ago or whatever..he has dropped really abruptly. That was like his last major win..he had a huge bang and then "gone"...went from over 9000 to 0 in 1 day. I swear with no bad intention, but each and every single time i catch him playing in competitions i see him lose.... if not..9/10 losses. I am starting to question that win he had in MLG personally. U can't win a huge and one of the most packed events at that time MLG and just drop out soooo brutally right after. IMO something is up with that.

On July 01 2014 02:30 Mistakes wrote:
ThorZaIN, where the hell is he?

On July 01 2014 02:30 Mistakes wrote:
iNcontroL is an excellent caster, host, and promoter.

On July 01 2014 05:18 Ajukrejzi wrote:


I agree but he's also a proffesional gamer and i think people forget about that.

On July 01 2014 04:20 ReboundEU wrote:
Roster as i see it (as if my opinion mattered but hey...)
- DeMuslim has always been a solid player but i feel he's at a limit skillwise. He is consistent at his level...but for various reasons can't quite have a real breakthrough
- HuK...ever since he won MLG like 2 years ago or whatever..he has dropped really abruptly. That was like his last major win..he had a huge bang and then "gone"...went from over 9000 to 0 in 1 day. I swear with no bad intention, but each and every single time i catch him playing in competitions i see him lose.... if not..9/10 losses. I am starting to question that win he had in MLG personally. U can't win a huge and one of the most packed events at that time MLG and just drop out soooo brutally right after. IMO something is up with that.
- iNcontrol well he is in the roster and he most definitely offers really fun games even tho he isn't as good as others, but his main job is more of a PR guy in my opinion. I find him really funny most of the times, he has nice commentary (keeps u pumped up in a game) and so on..but honestly not worthy of the roster itself considering he plays less then he comments and so on. But again i honestly enjoy all of his games win or loss
- Jaedong ....was a beast in SC:BW..is a beast even now. I really want to see him win a major live tournament but it seems he got unlucky a lot. Jaedong for EG (valuewise) is like Taeja for TL.
- Suppy ...good zerg but probably the same as what i said for DeMuslim
- ThorZain....dude is gone......i shamelessly even forgot about him till i read the roster. Must have IRL stuff to do.
- Xenocider .... not much i can say about him as i haven't seen him that often.

That's about all. EG's roster overall doesn't look that great honestly...but if u compared it to TL's team...well...TL has TaeJa and a "bunch of other dudes".....and that just about covers TL. The 1 man team.

On July 01 2014 05:46 RouaF wrote:

liquid jyp confirmed

On July 01 2014 04:20 ReboundEU wrote:
Roster as i see it (as if my opinion mattered but hey...)
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- HuK...ever since he won MLG like 2 years ago or whatever..he has dropped really abruptly. That was like his last major win..he had a huge bang and then "gone"...went from over 9000 to 0 in 1 day. I swear with no bad intention, but each and every single time i catch him playing in competitions i see him lose.... if not..9/10 losses. I am starting to question that win he had in MLG personally. U can't win a huge and one of the most packed events at that time MLG and just drop out soooo brutally right after. IMO something is up with that.


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On July 01 2014 06:52 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I loved JYP in Slayers-EG. That clutch last pick against TSL (I think) was amazing. He will be missed.

On July 01 2014 05:14 utyske wrote:

Becoming a doctor. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/425495-thorzain-going-to-medical-school-sc2-part-time-wisely-doesnt-use-the-words-retire

On July 01 2014 02:23 iNcontroL wrote:
I am not speaking on any formal capacity but from what I gather...

JYP has been struggling to keep SC2 at the top of his priority list. Dropping out of WCS NA was a huge blow to his motivation/desire to continue to be a progamer afaik. Following that loss he was "afk" for nearly a month missing clan wars and was uncreachable via online communication. He took that loss really hard

It's super hard to be a progamer in korea atm with there being more talented players and fewer teams/leagues etc that are willing to pay said progamers for their talents.

JYP has been with us for a long time and he is a fucking awesome human being. Always friendly and complementary, willing to practice at any time and in his day was a helluva protoss. JYP will be missed <3

PS! As an aside.. one cool story about JYP and how he joined EG:

Puma and JYP were/are good friends and when Puma knew he would face MC in the finals of NASL he practiced as much as he could for this matchup as he knew those finals would change his life. Naturely at a US based tourney like this he didn't have weeks or even days to practice he had THAT night so he reached out in need of a friend/progamer to help him practice TvP and as the hours were horrible for his korean brethren most said no due to the fact that they'd have to play from something like 5am - 10am or whatever. Only JYP said yes staying up and playing at horrible hours for as long as Puma needed to help his friend win the NASL. After that Puma asked that JYP join the otherwise all non korean lineup of EG. Management fell in love with a guy that had such a great work ethic and dedication to his fellow teammate(s) so the choice was easy!

Love ya JYP <3

On July 01 2014 06:38 SirPinky wrote:
With the exception of Jaedong, why does the EG roster look like a group of tranditionally underperforming players, occupied school students, or "wannabe" casters? Don't get me wrong, I think these guys are great, but it does not look like a high level team anymore.

EG roster :
DeMusliM - Wannabe caster and continuously underperforming. White-ra (who most consider retired) beat him in the last HSC.
HuK - defeated by Sjaac first round of MLG
iNcontroL - Wannabe caster more than player
Jaedong - Only high level EG player (imo)
Suppy - Student - fulltime school at UC Berkeley
ThorZaIN - Student
Xenocider - Very young and I'm still perplexed with this EG pickup. I don't know the last thing he has won or even participated.

On July 01 2014 08:35 iNcontroL wrote:


What the fuck is a "wannabe caster" ? How are people like you even around?

On July 01 2014 09:01 Zealously wrote:


Someone who wants to be a caster I guess

I mean technically he's not wrong, you do want to cast, don't you?

On July 01 2014 09:21 KaiserChuck wrote:


Typically, the term "wannabe" implies someone chasing an unrealistic goal; someone who does not have the skillset or experience required to achieve said goal.

An amateur casting from replays on YouTube to a channel of a few dozen subscribers is a wannabe.

InControl *is* a caster. Perhaps even one of the premier casters of the past few years of SC2. Can you name more than a half-dozen casters who are currently more employable for top-level SC2 events?


Edit: Also sad to see JYP go; always expected him to just catch fire one day & show his stuff. Hope he finds a good fit on another team.

On July 01 2014 02:28 nimdil wrote:

Good story :-) all the best to JYP.

On July 01 2014 11:10 juicyjames wrote:
to Prime?

On July 01 2014 02:18 HeeroFX wrote:
He has been quiet lately. So it makes sense that he wouldn't be on the team. He has played well for them. Honestly Incontrol and jaedong are the only ones worth anything on that team. Incontrol is great for promoting the EG brand and he has passion for the game. jaedong just makes deep runs in tournaments. I think most eyes are now on Dota 2.

On July 01 2014 02:11 URLateral wrote:
You need to update that roster to only show Jaedong and ur good.

On July 01 2014 05:14 Josh_Video wrote:


Are you implying HuK either cheated or there was some sort of conspiracy? Well, first time for everything i guess.

On July 01 2014 11:10 juicyjames wrote:
to Prime?

+ Show Spoiler +

"Words cannot express gratitude."

On July 01 2014 20:26 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:


Why would EG keep Demuslim if they wanted to build a new winning squad?

On July 01 2014 09:01 Zealously wrote:


Someone who wants to be a caster I guess

I mean technically he's not wrong, you do want to cast, don't you?

On July 01 2014 23:09 qapuk wrote:
what team is stephano on now? the search function says EG, but he isnt listed above

On July 01 2014 23:09 qapuk wrote:
what team is stephano on now? the search function says EG, but he isnt listed above

On July 01 2014 22:50 SirPinky wrote:



I think Incontrol is taking this too personally; especially for someone that wants to be a public figure. Zealously is correct, my criticism comes that you want to cast more than play. Is that inaccurate? I recall an interview documentary the CFO of EG management noting you were under contract as a player and you were entitled to pursue other opportunities once the contract ended. But he stressed EG's main focus is to make money - they run a business based on players (not a media casting center). I'm not going to presume I know what is going on at EG based on one interview and documentary, but given Incontrol's public appearances and, admittedly, less time to practice as a player, what would he/you like to be called?

And "why are people like me around"? I'm a person who has put thousands of dollars into sponsoring private tournaments and showmatches for the love of the game. I am also someone who rents the "GG" documentary and indirectly supports people like you and EG. I am a fan of the game. So let's not forget the Idra incident and learn from it when comments are made, "how are people like you even around." It is pretty much saying the same thing (less the expetives). My comments, which one might perceive as "harsh", held some level of merit given the current state of the EG roster. Sorry for bringing a raw reality from a publics perspective. Or would you perfer I just use the classic "Goodluck <insert happyface/emoticon>"?

On July 01 2014 22:50 SirPinky wrote:

I think Incontrol is taking this too personally; especially for someone that wants to be a public figure. Zealously is correct, my criticism comes that you want to cast more than play. Is that inaccurate? I recall an interview documentary the CFO of EG management noting you were under contract as a player and you were entitled to pursue other opportunities once the contract ended. But he stressed EG's main focus is to make money - they run a business based on players (not a media casting center). I'm not going to presume I know what is going on at EG based on one interview and documentary, but given Incontrol's public appearances and, admittedly, less time to practice as a player, what would he/you like to be called?

On July 02 2014 00:13 iNcontroL wrote:


The doc you are referencing but have no specific idea about was filmed in 2011
. I have since been casting year round at most of the major events ranging from lone star clash to blizzcon. "Wannabe" has a negative ring to it and all your bullshit about adding a "real perspective" becomes self-important dribble when you can't string together two accurate sentences to what you are adding "perspective" on.

Save the "I rented the doc so I'm supporting you" bull crap btw. Supporting me indirectly doesn't give you some kind of priveledge to be a douche and then lecture me on how defenseless I am because you shell out money to rent docs.
Idra called the entire fan base idiots.. I'm singling you out because you are trying to pass outdated info as some kind of accurate criticism and then getting uppity when your post gets responded to.

On July 02 2014 01:23 SirPinky wrote:


Interpret it how you want. And I'm not the one getting "uppity" and using profanity, calling people "douches." I thought you would be more articulate as an English major. You still haven't answered the question: I said "wannabe" because you are either a player or a caster. Which one are you? Or, to be more clear, which one do you want to pursue more? It is clear there is not enough hours in the day to do both. That is like me wanting to be a doctor and a fire fighter at the same time. That dream died when i was 5, I guess. The funny part is I actually like your casting. It seems you are a little over sensitive on the subject. I would hope someone who is in the public spotlight as much as you would have thicker skin. If you can't answer that question directly, then I would suggest you go into politics.

On July 02 2014 01:23 SirPinky wrote:


Interpret it how you want. And I'm not the one getting "uppity" and using profanity, calling people "douches." I thought you would be more articulate as an English major. You still haven't answered the question: I said "wannabe" because you are either a player or a caster. Which one are you? Or, to be more clear, which one do you want to pursue more? It is clear there is not enough hours in the day to do both. That is like me wanting to be a doctor and a fire fighter at the same time. That dream died when i was 5, I guess. The funny part is I actually like your casting. It seems you are a little over sensitive on the subject. I would hope someone who is in the public spotlight as much as you would have thicker skin. If you can't answer that question directly, then I would suggest you go into politics.

On July 02 2014 02:17 Lorning wrote:
You know what the saddest part is?

EG twitter, nor their website said any word about JYP leaving. (Or I must be blind as fuck) He's been on that team for 2.5 years

On July 02 2014 02:03 Hot_Bid wrote:

Well, to be fair, calling someone a "wannabe X" is an insult. It's not really up for interpretation, it's just an insult. I'm not going to say that Geoff responded perfectly to you or that he's an angel in this thread or something but you did insult him.

"Wannabe or Wanna Be is a pejorative for a person who wishes to be or do something, but lacks the qualifications or talent." (Wikipedia)

It implies the person isn't good enough to do the thing they are doing. Incontrol is clearly a caster, he's one of the best out there.

On July 02 2014 03:14 iNcontroL wrote:
Look pinky, it's clear you didn't intend to offend but I did take offense. You made it worse by then lecturing me on needing thicker skin and how I should treat public people etc.. Just clarify and apologize next time.

I have been a full time caster/personality for 1.5 years and before that I split my time between casting and playing which is not advisable if your goal is to win tourneys.

On July 01 2014 08:44 Obeast96 wrote:
End of JYP the player....and beginning of JYP THE SINGER???

On July 02 2014 04:39 SirPinky wrote:


Thanks for the clarity. I didn't know you transitioned full-time. Good luck.

On July 02 2014 02:17 Lorning wrote:
You know what the saddest part is?

EG twitter, nor their website said any word about JYP leaving. (Or I must be blind as fuck) He's been on that team for 2.5 years

On July 01 2014 19:04 nimdil wrote:

Yeah, that assumption of ReboundEU is so stupid.

HuK won MLG Orlando but he didn't just drop. At Providence he was 5th - behind Leenock, NaNiwa, DRG and Mvp. It was excellent result and if it wasn't for NaNiwa's stellar performance, HuK would be the most remembered foreigner there. He was also 3rd at MLG Winter Arena and 4th at MLG Winter Championship - best foreigner at both events (NaNi was 2nd best at both - tied for 7th/8th).

The result is also consistent with HuK's GSL performance. Orlando was in October. In November HuK topped his Ro32 Code S group but in Ro16 he was 3rd, dropped to Code A Ro24 where he lost to KeeN 2-0 (december) then in Up & Down (later in december) he went 1-3 winning only his game against Alicia and losing PvZs vs Monster and Lucky and PvT vs NaDa. After that it was presence without any success in GSL after which he left. So I'd say his results are very consistent. Orlando was definitely a tournament Code S Round of 8 player was able to win. But a player who fall out of Code A wasn't really that strong.

On July 01 2014 02:11 URLateral wrote:
You need to update that roster to only show Jaedong and ur good.

On July 02 2014 12:03 ZAiNs wrote:
JYP is playing in Code A qualifiers ATM .

On July 02 2014 10:03 Pontius Pirate wrote:
Why does this community feel a need to persecute InControl so relentlessly? Does it really give them that much satisfaction to see him lash out at people who insult him?

I have high hopes for JYP if he continues with his career. He did well in team leagues in the somewhat-recent past, so despite missing out on qualification for WCS NA, I doubt that he's really in a severe slump, nor even his career path being on a distinct downturn, especially if that Prime rumor has some truth to it.

On July 02 2014 04:39 SirPinky wrote:


Thanks for the clarity. I didn't know you transitioned full-time. Good luck.