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On June 16 2014 08:37 Plansix wrote:Well, is a little jerk. Life threatening disease isn't really something I joke about or mock people for having them isn't really a way to be showered with compliments. Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 08:37 Skew wrote:
instigation w/ victim card follow-up is very effective The other option is to "take it like a man"?
I completely agree with the fact that calling minigun a 'sick boy' was wrong. Really fucked up, in fact... 
But, dude, who hasn't ever lost their shit? How many dead mothers do you all think you have sworn out? How many real people with real aids have you told to go die of it, just because you lost a game?
Ruff is like a puppy version of idra and people dealt with him for years.
Idra literally did. not. give. a. single. fuck.
#missTSLdaysT_T
Guy who probably plays games more than he socializes + a bunch of other very, very similar guys baiting him ONLINE = ???
Kicking him seems like a little much. Especially if they aren't going to do poop to minigun (instigating all this useless drama) and iaguz (Seriously? Professional gamer calling someone a cunt on twitter is acceptable now?)
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On June 16 2014 08:59 KingKayzz wrote:
Kicking him seems like a little much. Especially if they aren't going to do poop to minigun (instigating all this useless drama) and iaguz (Seriously? Professional gamer calling someone a cunt on twitter is acceptable now?)
I don't see why not if the guy really did act like a cunt. No point in euphemizing something that's on the mind of everyone.
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On June 16 2014 08:59 KingKayzz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 08:37 Plansix wrote:Well, is a little jerk. Life threatening disease isn't really something I joke about or mock people for having them isn't really a way to be showered with compliments. On June 16 2014 08:37 Skew wrote:
instigation w/ victim card follow-up is very effective The other option is to "take it like a man"? I completely agree with the fact that calling minigun a 'sick boy' was wrong. Really fucked up, in fact... But, dude, who hasn't ever lost their shit? How many dead mothers do you all think you have sworn out? How many real people with real aids have you told to go die of it, just because you lost a game? Ruff is like a puppy version of idra and people dealt with him for years. Idra literally did. not. give. a. single. fuck. #missTSLdaysT_T Guy who probably plays games more than he socializes + a bunch of other very, very similar guys baiting him ONLINE = ??? Kicking him seems like a little much. Especially if they aren't going to do poop to minigun (instigating all this useless drama) and iaguz (Seriously? Professional gamer calling someone a cunt on twitter is acceptable now?)
Nooooooooooooooooope. There is a huge difference between what Ruff did and telling someone to go die of aids, cancer or insulting someones dead mother. YOU DIDN'T KNOW. You were not sincere. You didn't say that to personally hurt them, you didn't have that information available to you, you said it to make yourself feel better and vent anger. What Ruff said was barbed, it was specifically done with full knowledge of the person, it was designed to be as hurtful and offensive as possible to a single individual. It's the difference between taking a gun and firing it indiscriminately into the air in a populated area and taking a knife, hunting down a single person and stabbing them in the back. As clunky an analogy as that is, one is a reckless, stupid act that has the chance of hurting someone and the other is an assassination. He knew exactly what he was saying, he used knowledge of someone to exploit their vulnerability for no other reason than to make them feel bad, ergo he's a piece of shit.
Seriously? Professional gamer calling someone a cunt on twitter is acceptable now?
Well he did act like a cunt and iaguz is Australian. Cunt is as interchangeable over there as dick... though not literally of course (well maybe a bit literally).
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On June 16 2014 08:23 VasHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You heard it here first guys, "Narcissism" = knowing more than somebody else.
All those narcissistic doctors, lawyers, plumbers, car mechanics... how dare they be more knowledgeable in a field than someone else and how dare their opinion carry more weight.
Narcissism = comparing urself to doctors and lawyers while you're bashing random people on the internet. Can you stop having flame wars in every single TL thread u post in? In your expert opinion, is it really appropriate to keep doing that?
Was going to say this but he beat me to it. TB no one with a brain is going to dispute that you know what you're talking about when it comes to video games. It's just the way you go about attacking anyone who disagrees with you that comes across as really nasty/arrogant.
Just because you've had a successful career in the field of video games that doesn't mean your opinion on non-game related subjects is any more or less 'valuable'.
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On June 16 2014 09:06 Swagasaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 08:23 VasHeR wrote:On June 16 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You heard it here first guys, "Narcissism" = knowing more than somebody else.
All those narcissistic doctors, lawyers, plumbers, car mechanics... how dare they be more knowledgeable in a field than someone else and how dare their opinion carry more weight.
Narcissism = comparing urself to doctors and lawyers while you're bashing random people on the internet. Can you stop having flame wars in every single TL thread u post in? In your expert opinion, is it really appropriate to keep doing that? Was going to say this but he beat me to it. TB no one with a brain is going to dispute that you know what you're talking about when it comes to video games. It's just the way you go about attacking anyone who disagrees with you that comes across as really nasty/arrogant. Just because you've had a successful career in the field of video games that doesn't mean your opinion on non-game related subjects is any more or less 'valuable'.
But we are talking about game related subjects, so that's irrelevant.
Maybe if people didn't want flamewars they shouldn't be hurling insults at me whenever they get the chance *shrug*. You mistake attacking people for defense, I don't go out of my way to attack people, they start shit with me and then they complain that I respond in kind. "Oh, I called that guy an arrogant hypocritical narcissist and now he doesn't seem to want to treat me with respect, I wonder how that happened?". Well gee I dunno, maybe some of the armchair psychologists in this thread could tell you.
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On June 16 2014 09:06 Swagasaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 08:23 VasHeR wrote:On June 16 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You heard it here first guys, "Narcissism" = knowing more than somebody else.
All those narcissistic doctors, lawyers, plumbers, car mechanics... how dare they be more knowledgeable in a field than someone else and how dare their opinion carry more weight.
Narcissism = comparing urself to doctors and lawyers while you're bashing random people on the internet. Can you stop having flame wars in every single TL thread u post in? In your expert opinion, is it really appropriate to keep doing that? Was going to say this but he beat me to it. TB no one with a brain is going to dispute that you know what you're talking about when it comes to video games. It's just the way you go about attacking anyone who disagrees with you that comes across as really nasty/arrogant. Just because you've had a successful career in the field of video games that doesn't mean your opinion on non-game related subjects is any more or less 'valuable'.
This isn't necessarily a video game issue but it is an esports management issue and the fact that TB runs a team makes him more qualified than most people to talk about the management of an esports team
I guess esports issues pretty much equals video game issues by default but you get the point
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For you people who are saying the punishment is really rough, you obviously don't play the GM NA ladder. Ruff is a toxic player and has been for quite some time now. I've been harassed by not only him but his stream followers as well just for beating him, he is just a toxic person to be around with and have in the community.
P.S Although last week I ran into him on ladder and he seemed alot more relaxed and actually said "Gg" instead of just leaving. It almost made me wonder if it was the real Ruff or not?
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While I was guilty of insulting my opponents out of frustrations many times on the ladder aswell, being drastic towards these actions is beneficial to the community. Everybody who make mistakes deserve to learn the harsh lesson for their own good.
I believe though that the aspect of people wanting to pitchfork and harshly condemn everything outside their little "how it should be" reality is far scarier and violent than the act itself. In fact they operate under the same state of mind: things do not go the way I want --> I get as angry as I can to cause repercussions on other people so I can feel relevant again
And sure nobody deserves to be insulted randomly just because of a Starcraft game, but I also know I'd rather have people being complete douchebags and tell me all the insults in the world than everybody acting nice but I can't possibly know how they really feel about me. In the first case you realize there are problems and, in case you want, you can try to fix them. In the second case everybody is acting the same and it becomes really hard to trust people.
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On June 16 2014 09:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 09:06 Swagasaurus wrote:On June 16 2014 08:23 VasHeR wrote:On June 16 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You heard it here first guys, "Narcissism" = knowing more than somebody else.
All those narcissistic doctors, lawyers, plumbers, car mechanics... how dare they be more knowledgeable in a field than someone else and how dare their opinion carry more weight.
Narcissism = comparing urself to doctors and lawyers while you're bashing random people on the internet. Can you stop having flame wars in every single TL thread u post in? In your expert opinion, is it really appropriate to keep doing that? Was going to say this but he beat me to it. TB no one with a brain is going to dispute that you know what you're talking about when it comes to video games. It's just the way you go about attacking anyone who disagrees with you that comes across as really nasty/arrogant. Just because you've had a successful career in the field of video games that doesn't mean your opinion on non-game related subjects is any more or less 'valuable'. But we are talking about game related subjects, so that's irrelevant. Maybe if people didn't want flamewars they shouldn't be hurling insults at me whenever they get the chance *shrug*. You mistake attacking people for defense, I don't go out of my way to attack people, they start shit with me and then they complain that I respond in kind. "Oh, I called that guy an arrogant hypocritical narcissist and now he doesn't seem to want to treat me with respect, I wonder how that happened?". Well gee I dunno, maybe some of the armchair psychologists in this thread could tell you.
Not sure if lying or delusional. What a wannabe martyr.
Took about 2 seconds to find something worth discrediting your claim here.
On December 19 2013 12:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 11:54 GraFx wrote:
this is the first piece youve written that didnt make me hate you. kudos. If it makes you feel any better about that I think you're a little shit :x
On December 17 2013 09:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 08:55 IcedBacon wrote:
Yeah... can't wait for bitcoins to crash :p "Can't wait for this prizepool and event to be ruined, presumably because I'm a terrible person"
Nice *defense*
Also, if you want your opinion to count more because of your position, then you also get held to a higher standard of conduct than random internet peoples. Is this not obvious, oh wise one?
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On June 16 2014 09:26 aTnClouD wrote:
While I was guilty of insulting my opponents out of frustrations many times on the ladder aswell, being drastic towards these actions is beneficial to the community. Everybody who make mistakes deserve to learn the harsh lesson for their own good.
I believe though that the aspect of people wanting to pitchfork and harshly condemn everything outside their little "how it should be" reality is far scarier and violent than the act itself. In fact they operate under the same state of mind: things do not go the way I want --> I get as angry as I can to cause repercussions on other people so I can feel relevant again
And sure nobody deserves to be insulted randomly just because of a Starcraft game, but I also know I'd rather have people being complete douchebags and tell me all the insults in the world than everybody acting nice but I can't possibly know how they really feel about me. In the first case you realize there are problems and, in case you want, you can try to fix them. In the second case everybody is acting the same and it becomes really hard to trust people.
No one is saying that everyone who BMs on ladder should be burned at the stake, but this one in particular was a targeted jab at someone going through a very difficult time right now. It crossed a line.
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People in this thread are talking like it's the first time Ruff has said something fucking despicable to someone while laddering on NA. I thought he never got in shit because no one gave a fuck, but I guess it was just because he usually just said shit to no namers or kept it tame with trivial stuff like death wishes.
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The problem I have with this is that there is no measure to what "words" are hurtful enough to warrant punishment.
This person hurt another persons feelings, but he didn't swear, he didn't break any rules, he just attacked a popular player. If what he said was 50% as offensive would he be banned? 80%? Where is the threshhold? Its an arbitrary punishment for an arbitrary crime.
So while I love Minigun, and never heard of Ruff, I'm overall against the idea of a witch hunt over words conveyed via the internet.
Its just words.
Keystrokes cannot hurt me, and IMHO you're wasting your energy if you let them effect you.
SC2 is wasting its energy with this nonsense.
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I swear, e-drama is half the reason why this scene is awesome lol
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Off topic for a second: I know it's an SC forum and TB is a team leader and all but does anyone else just find it weird that these people going him was the exact reason he left Reddit?
Anyway back on topic: Comparing Ruff to these other examples as I said is apples and oranges, one is said in anger without knowledge, one is said in anger with full knowledge. Like I said it'd be something along the line of making fun of TB
Oh and yeah, as an Aussie we do call people cunts a lot. Even our friends (IE: "Showstealer! How you doing ya old cunt?") 
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On June 16 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You heard it here first guys, "Narcissism" = knowing more than somebody else.
All those narcissistic doctors, lawyers, plumbers, car mechanics... how dare they be more knowledgeable in a field than someone else and how dare their opinion carry more weight.
Of course your opinion is more valuable, since you have the authority of experience and knowledge behind it. However, that's different from how you project that opinion. You can either choose to share your increased knowledge or flaunt it.
A patient walks into a doctor's office with a rough idea on a treatment regiment, with only shreds of substantiating evidence. The doctor immediately recognizes (like you) that they, with the experience of medical school and running their own clinic, have a more effective treatment to offer. Now, you can choose to A) offer your opinion and explain why it might be more appropriate than their previous choice, sharing your experience and knowledge with them
or B) berate them for lacking the experience you possess, how dare they step into your presence without having first attended medical school and offer an opinion that is different than yours. How adorable. But seriously, they ought to shut their mouth and sit in raptured silence in expectation of the knowledge you can bestow upon them purely through your wondrous generosity.
You could call the first experience a conversation. The second would just be an interaction with an educated albeit rude and arrogant individual. That doctor might be a professional by name and title but not by character.
Someone who has sat through several interactions of the latter nature might try to avoid them in the future by walking away before they start. I thought that's what Longshot was trying to do. But then you goaded him by calling him a baby throwing a tantrum.
I don't want to offend you, you're much more of an authority here than I am and I respect that. But maybe you don't have to immediately call his opinion invalid and verbally abuse him. If you shared why you don't think 1 month suspension is appropriate, he can take the knowledge (which makes everyone else reading the forum smarter) or leave it. I think even if you were to write as though your opinion is only as valuable as anyone else's, viewers will recognize the truth and sensibility behind your statements because duh, you're TotalBiscuit.
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On a (hopefully) lighter note: What the hell kind of an insult is "sick boy"? How is that even supposed to be used in any kind of context other than stating a fact? Yes, Chad is male, and he recently dealt with a medical issue. You wouldn't use the phrase "sick boy" for insulting a stranger, you wouldn't use it while ribbing someone you know. It's just a weird choice of wording in the first place.
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On June 16 2014 09:27 VasHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 09:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 09:06 Swagasaurus wrote:On June 16 2014 08:23 VasHeR wrote:On June 16 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You heard it here first guys, "Narcissism" = knowing more than somebody else.
All those narcissistic doctors, lawyers, plumbers, car mechanics... how dare they be more knowledgeable in a field than someone else and how dare their opinion carry more weight.
Narcissism = comparing urself to doctors and lawyers while you're bashing random people on the internet. Can you stop having flame wars in every single TL thread u post in? In your expert opinion, is it really appropriate to keep doing that? Was going to say this but he beat me to it. TB no one with a brain is going to dispute that you know what you're talking about when it comes to video games. It's just the way you go about attacking anyone who disagrees with you that comes across as really nasty/arrogant. Just because you've had a successful career in the field of video games that doesn't mean your opinion on non-game related subjects is any more or less 'valuable'. But we are talking about game related subjects, so that's irrelevant. Maybe if people didn't want flamewars they shouldn't be hurling insults at me whenever they get the chance *shrug*. You mistake attacking people for defense, I don't go out of my way to attack people, they start shit with me and then they complain that I respond in kind. "Oh, I called that guy an arrogant hypocritical narcissist and now he doesn't seem to want to treat me with respect, I wonder how that happened?". Well gee I dunno, maybe some of the armchair psychologists in this thread could tell you. Not sure if lying or delusional. What a wannabe martyr. Took about 2 seconds to find something worth discrediting your claim here. Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 12:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 19 2013 11:54 GraFx wrote:
this is the first piece youve written that didnt make me hate you. kudos. If it makes you feel any better about that I think you're a little shit :x Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 09:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 17 2013 08:55 IcedBacon wrote:
Yeah... can't wait for bitcoins to crash :p "Can't wait for this prizepool and event to be ruined, presumably because I'm a terrible person" Nice *defense* Also, if you want your opinion to count more because of your position, then you also get held to a higher standard of conduct than random internet peoples. Is this not obvious, oh wise one?
Nice job linking quotes that supposedly debunk my argument when both of them were attacks. One wished ill on the event, the players and myself by gloating over the possibility of bitcoins crashing, the other said "oh grats, this is the first time I don't hate you", a completely unnecessary and unprovoked insult.
You might wanna try harder if you're looking for evidence that what I say is unprovoked. You might wanna dig even deeper to find a response that is actually offensive and not tongue-in-cheek. The little kissy face not give it away that I wasn't being particularly serious? Do I have to spell it out? Unsurprisingly you are also attacking me, including such choice phrases as "lying" "delusional" and "wannabe martyr". Next time, try coming into a discussion with clean hands.
The problem I have with this is that there is no measure to what "words" are hurtful enough to warrant punishment.
This person hurt another persons feelings, but he didn't swear, he didn't break any rules, he just attacked a popular player. If what he said was 50% as offensive would he be banned? 80%? Where is the threshhold? Its an arbitrary punishment for an arbitrary crime.
So while I love Minigun, and never heard of Ruff, I'm overall against the idea of a witch hunt over words conveyed via the internet.
Its just words.
Keystrokes cannot hurt me, and IMHO you're wasting your energy if you let them effect you.
Nobody in their right mind actually believes this. Of course words hurt. Keystrokes can't hurt you? Pretty sure they can, you are simply fortunate enough not to have had to suffer someone going after you in a really personal way. I hope you never do.
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On June 16 2014 09:34 dsousa wrote:
The problem I have with this is that there is no measure to what "words" are hurtful enough to warrant punishment.
This person hurt another persons feelings, but he didn't swear, he didn't break any rules, he just attacked a popular player. If what he said was 50% as offensive would he be banned? 80%? Where is the threshhold? Its an arbitrary punishment for an arbitrary crime.
So while I love Minigun, and never heard of Ruff, I'm overall against the idea of a witch hunt over words conveyed via the internet.
Its just words.
Keystrokes cannot hurt me, and IMHO you're wasting your energy if you let them effect you.
SC2 is wasting its energy with this nonsense.
Yeah words don't hurt anyone. HOWEVER, this person is trying to be a professional gamer and represent his team/sponsors. Therefore, being a dick (even with just words) can't be tolerated especially from a team/sponsor perspective because they don't want this person representing them. Also anyone who wants SC2 to grow into something more professional doesn't want this representing them. Also if I were a team owner I wouldn't want a player only team who acted like this
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On June 16 2014 09:44 Circumstance wrote:
On a (hopefully) lighter note: What the hell kind of an insult is "sick boy"? How is that even supposed to be used in any kind of context other than stating a fact? Yes, Chad is male, and he recently dealt with a medical issue. You wouldn't use the phrase "sick boy" for insulting a stranger, you wouldn't use it while ribbing someone you know. It's just a weird choice of wording in the first place.
That's true it is atypical. However it's perfectly tailored to insult Minigun because he is suffering from a disease. It may be factual but it is a really shitty thing to say to him in this instance
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That was rather quickly cleaned up, so how about them DreamHack games.
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