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We’ve just published a new Balance Test Map to the StarCraft II Custom Games list titled " MerryGoRoundLE (2.1.1 Balance v1.0)" in order to test a couple of Terran balance tweaks in Heart of the Swarm multiplayer. During this testing phase, please keep in mind that none of the changes listed below are final. Our plan is to first explore how each change impacts the game and potentially test additional changes after reviewing your feedback. Let's have a look at what you'll be testing: Terran- Removed Transformation Servos upgrade
- Changed Hellion/Hellbat transform requirement to Armory
Balance Testing Extension ModWe’ve also updated the Extension Mod for balance testing, so that you can try your hand with these changes on maps other than Merry Go Round. Those of you who are interested in trying out the Extension Mod can use the following steps to get a game started: - Navigate to Browse Maps on the Custom Games menu,
- Select a map and click the Create with Mod button in the lower right corner,
- Choose to sort by Blizzard Mods from the dropdown list at the top of the screen.
- Select the “Balance Test Mod” Extension from the list and then hit Create Game.
If you're interested in the StarCraft II Balance Team's reasoning behind each change, you can check out David Kim's recent forum post.We’d like to remind you that feedback based on playtesting is the most helpful information you can share with us at this time. We kindly ask that you spend some time playing games on the test map before offering your thoughts on the changes listed above. As always, thank you for your continued feedback and support. We’d like to restate that none of the changes listed above are final. Once you feel you’ve had enough time to test thoroughly, we welcome you to join us in this discussion thread.
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I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again.
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"I think" belongs in the other thread,
in the balance test map thread, use evidence!
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I think if the patch goes through there are going to be a lot of LOL TvZ timings.
But it could be interesting.
EDIT - OK TOASTIE!
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On May 06 2014 22:46 larse wrote:
I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again.
Even if it does, it will not get into fun status.
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On May 06 2014 22:55 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 22:46 larse wrote:
I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again. Even if it does, it will not get into fun status.
Show me those non fun replays!
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China6331 Posts
On May 06 2014 22:54 SC2Toastie wrote:
"I think" belongs in the other thread,
in the balance test map thread, use evidence!
I think now that the actual testing is here, theorycrafting should stay in that separate thread.
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happy they are going through with this change! i can't wait to see what happens!
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On May 06 2014 23:10 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 22:54 SC2Toastie wrote:
"I think" belongs in the other thread,
in the balance test map thread, use evidence! I think now that the actual testing is here, theorycrafting should stay in that separate thread.
Agreed.
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On May 06 2014 23:13 partydude89 wrote:
happy they are going through with this change! i can't wait to see what happens!
It's not 'through', it's being tested :D!
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Nothing to change swarmhosts? Seriously? I'm pretty sure the only person that actually likes swarmhosts is stephano.
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United Kingdom1381 Posts
While Blizzard are at it, they should merge the Hellbat and Hellion on the Production Queue/Unit List as its pretty pointless.
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On May 06 2014 23:13 partydude89 wrote:
happy they are going through with this change! i can't wait to see what happens!
double reactored hellbat timings. thats what what happens.
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On May 06 2014 22:46 larse wrote:
I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again.
i'm very happy that every time a balance change is tested we have people here to make sarcastic remarks about how they don't like blizzard and don't like the game. it provides a lot of constructive and interesting content to the community
On May 06 2014 23:16 agahamsorr0w wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:13 partydude89 wrote:
happy they are going through with this change! i can't wait to see what happens! double reactored hellbat timings. thats what what happens.
oh goodness! i might have to scout actively and build r-r-roaches!
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On May 06 2014 23:16 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 22:46 larse wrote:
I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again. i'm very happy that every time a balance change is tested we have people here to make sarcastic remarks about how they don't like blizzard and don't like the game. it provides a lot of constructive and interesting content to the community Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:16 agahamsorr0w wrote:On May 06 2014 23:13 partydude89 wrote:
happy they are going through with this change! i can't wait to see what happens! double reactored hellbat timings. thats what what happens. oh goodness! i might have to scout actively and build r-r-roaches!
you already have to do that. the reasons hellbat transformation required an upgrade was because hellbat drops and hellbat timings were absolutely ridiculous. you dont need to use that s-s-sarcasm kid.
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On May 06 2014 23:24 agahamsorr0w wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:16 Waise wrote:On May 06 2014 22:46 larse wrote:
I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again. i'm very happy that every time a balance change is tested we have people here to make sarcastic remarks about how they don't like blizzard and don't like the game. it provides a lot of constructive and interesting content to the community On May 06 2014 23:16 agahamsorr0w wrote:On May 06 2014 23:13 partydude89 wrote:
happy they are going through with this change! i can't wait to see what happens! double reactored hellbat timings. thats what what happens. oh goodness! i might have to scout actively and build r-r-roaches! you already have to do that. the reasons hellbat transformation required an upgrade was because hellbat drops and hellbat timings were absolutely ridiculous. you dont need to use that s-s-sarcasm kid.
well if you're right it's a good thing this is a test map and not a patch  go test the map and send blizzard your feedback instead of trying to pick a fight on forums
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Please go through pleas go through please go through
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Nothing to change swarmhosts? Seriously? I'm pretty sure the only person that actually likes swarmhosts is stephano.
Stephano and Petraeus 
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On May 06 2014 23:46 [CCSRAM] BaoQuan wrote:Show nested quote +Nothing to change swarmhosts? Seriously? I'm pretty sure the only person that actually likes swarmhosts is stephano. Stephano and Petraeus
how can you forget our glorious, supreme swarmhost leader Firecake!
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I never thought I would see TeamLiquid excited to see Hellbats again
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On May 06 2014 23:50 Butterednuts wrote:
I never thought I would see TeamLiquid excited to see Hellbats again
it s only a few people though... we'll have to see how it plays out, it might not be as bruta as beta hellbats
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On May 06 2014 23:55 WGT-Baal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:50 Butterednuts wrote:
I never thought I would see TeamLiquid excited to see Hellbats again it s only a few people though... we'll have to see how it plays out, it might not be as bruta as beta hellbats
Poll: Option 2 - remove hellbat xform upgradeYes (1256) 77% No (273) 17% Meh (107) 7% 1636 total votes Your vote: Option 2 - remove hellbat xform upgrade (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Meh
Really a few heh ?
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On May 06 2014 23:58 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:55 WGT-Baal wrote:On May 06 2014 23:50 Butterednuts wrote:
I never thought I would see TeamLiquid excited to see Hellbats again it s only a few people though... we'll have to see how it plays out, it might not be as bruta as beta hellbats Show nested quote +Poll: Option 2 - remove hellbat xform upgradeYes (1256) 77% No (273) 17% Meh (107) 7% 1636 total votes Your vote: Option 2 - remove hellbat xform upgrade (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Meh
Really a few heh ?
I had not seen this poll ^^
alright, not so few...
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On May 06 2014 22:54 DinoMight wrote:
I think if the patch goes through there are going to be a lot of LOL TvZ timings.
But it could be interesting.
EDIT - OK TOASTIE!
Yeah precisely a lot of timings. But that's a good thing, given how limited terrans are in that department, having a couple of new tools just to keep people honest or punish greed could go a long way in helping the race.
I'm not sure it will be enough and I think they'll need to adjust some unit stats directly, but we'll see. Maybe some good feedback will push them in the right direction.
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On May 06 2014 23:24 agahamsorr0w wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:16 Waise wrote:On May 06 2014 22:46 larse wrote:
I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again. i'm very happy that every time a balance change is tested we have people here to make sarcastic remarks about how they don't like blizzard and don't like the game. it provides a lot of constructive and interesting content to the community On May 06 2014 23:16 agahamsorr0w wrote:On May 06 2014 23:13 partydude89 wrote:
happy they are going through with this change! i can't wait to see what happens! double reactored hellbat timings. thats what what happens. oh goodness! i might have to scout actively and build r-r-roaches! you already have to do that. the reasons hellbat transformation required an upgrade was because hellbat drops and hellbat timings were absolutely ridiculous. you dont need to use that s-s-sarcasm kid.
Errr. You do remember that most hellbat nerfs were due to TvT, Z and P dealt fine with them if they bothered to scout and prepare.
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On May 06 2014 23:50 Butterednuts wrote:
I never thought I would see TeamLiquid excited to see Hellbats again
Good one. Overall the community has a pretty short memory span. I wonder how this will affect TvT.
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On May 07 2014 01:07 herMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:50 Butterednuts wrote:
I never thought I would see TeamLiquid excited to see Hellbats again Good one. Overall the community has a pretty short memory span. I wonder how this will affect TvT.
If you're referring to the Hellbat drop wars, I think it should be noted that the damage to light nerf and Medivac cargo space nerf are still there. Wouldn't 4 Hellions still do more damage to a Mineral line than 2 Hellbats would without Blueflame?
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On May 07 2014 01:29 NDBSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 01:07 herMan wrote:On May 06 2014 23:50 Butterednuts wrote:
I never thought I would see TeamLiquid excited to see Hellbats again Good one. Overall the community has a pretty short memory span. I wonder how this will affect TvT. If you're referring to the Hellbat drop wars, I think it should be noted that the damage to light nerf and Medivac cargo space nerf are still there. Wouldn't 4 Hellions still do more damage to a Mineral line than 2 Hellbats would without Blueflame?
4 hellions were easier to kill than two hellbats with a medivac healing. Hellbat drops in all likelihood are coming back.
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On May 07 2014 02:00 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 01:29 NDBSC2 wrote:On May 07 2014 01:07 herMan wrote:On May 06 2014 23:50 Butterednuts wrote:
I never thought I would see TeamLiquid excited to see Hellbats again Good one. Overall the community has a pretty short memory span. I wonder how this will affect TvT. If you're referring to the Hellbat drop wars, I think it should be noted that the damage to light nerf and Medivac cargo space nerf are still there. Wouldn't 4 Hellions still do more damage to a Mineral line than 2 Hellbats would without Blueflame? 4 hellions were easier to kill than two hellbats with a medivac healing. Hellbat drops in all likelihood are coming back.
Non sens. If terran wanted to drop HB, they would just make HB and drop them. The transformation Servos chance nothing to that. The only thing that will change in TvT are that the opening with mass hellion might encounter a strong following push with hellions transforming into hellbats. But there are lot of weakness to hellbats too : They are much slower and and basically no range.
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I like this change a lot, will be cool to see the strats and timings that can surround this!
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On May 07 2014 01:07 herMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:50 Butterednuts wrote:
I never thought I would see TeamLiquid excited to see Hellbats again Good one. Overall the community has a pretty short memory span. I wonder how this will affect TvT.
forgg's mech will be way stronger for sure.
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On May 06 2014 22:55 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 22:46 larse wrote:
I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again. Even if it does, it will not get into fun status.
I personally think the current state of SC2 is super fun. I can't have fun with any other game for near as long as I do with SC2, and I think it will only get better. This change is a good one, and Terrans will be happy. ^^
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On May 06 2014 23:14 Coriolis wrote:
Nothing to change swarmhosts? Seriously? I'm pretty sure the only person that actually likes swarmhosts is stephano.
DK mentioned changes in the long term for Swarm Hosts.
Meaning it's quite likely something for LotV.
We'll have to "deal" with SHs until then.
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On May 06 2014 23:24 agahamsorr0w wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:16 Waise wrote:On May 06 2014 22:46 larse wrote:
I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again. i'm very happy that every time a balance change is tested we have people here to make sarcastic remarks about how they don't like blizzard and don't like the game. it provides a lot of constructive and interesting content to the community On May 06 2014 23:16 agahamsorr0w wrote:On May 06 2014 23:13 partydude89 wrote:
happy they are going through with this change! i can't wait to see what happens! double reactored hellbat timings. thats what what happens. oh goodness! i might have to scout actively and build r-r-roaches! you already have to do that. the reasons hellbat transformation required an upgrade was because hellbat drops and hellbat timings were absolutely ridiculous. you dont need to use that s-s-sarcasm kid.
The reason Hellbat drops are a problem say because of the inbuilt blue flame upgrade. Which has since been nerfed.
The main problems with hell bats are in TvT anyway.
What timings are you speaking of exactly?
Back up your arguments with p-p-proof kid
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As someone that goes Hellion heavy mech i like this change a lot.
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On May 07 2014 00:24 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:24 agahamsorr0w wrote:On May 06 2014 23:16 Waise wrote:On May 06 2014 22:46 larse wrote:
I think if the patch goes through, SC2 will return to a quite balanced status again. i'm very happy that every time a balance change is tested we have people here to make sarcastic remarks about how they don't like blizzard and don't like the game. it provides a lot of constructive and interesting content to the community On May 06 2014 23:16 agahamsorr0w wrote:On May 06 2014 23:13 partydude89 wrote:
happy they are going through with this change! i can't wait to see what happens! double reactored hellbat timings. thats what what happens. oh goodness! i might have to scout actively and build r-r-roaches! you already have to do that. the reasons hellbat transformation required an upgrade was because hellbat drops and hellbat timings were absolutely ridiculous. you dont need to use that s-s-sarcasm kid. Errr. You do remember that most hellbat nerfs were due to TvT, Z and P dealt fine with them if they bothered to scout and prepare.
My favourite urban legend.
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Zergs that tried to stay ling only usually dropped dead, against Hellions that suddenly became Hellbats in front of their base. Aside from that no one really had problems with the transformation. The "melts workers" bit of Hellbats is not buffed with this.
Funny thing that they made Widow mines so bad that lings can a-move, so now they have to bring back Hellbat crap to delay the Zerg Tech, by forcing roaches.
Back to square one I guess, but more easy and less awesome.
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Northern Ireland27056 Posts
Protoss actually were pretty OK vs Hellbat drops for the most part once they tweaked a few things.
Aside from theories, anyone any experience with this or figured out some good applications of the upgrade removal yet?
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Code S is kinda T free, so we have to wait a bit for BOs to appear.
One TvZ at least is going to be Supernova vs Solar on the 16th, but i doubt they will patch before the Ro32 is over.
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Northern Ireland27056 Posts
I think that's pretty sensible, albeit annoying for me as a Suno fan as he'd definitely make use of any patch to come up with something cool
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On May 10 2014 10:58 AKAvg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:14 Coriolis wrote:
Nothing to change swarmhosts? Seriously? I'm pretty sure the only person that actually likes swarmhosts is stephano. DK mentioned changes in the long term for Swarm Hosts. Meaning it's quite likely something for LotV. We'll have to "deal" with SHs until then.
What will most likely happen is that they are just going fine tune some random stuff, which really won´t help (remember infested terran egg health reduction?). Then the game gets shaken up enough in LotV to make SH obsolete. It would be just like BL/Infestor, the new units change the game enough to make the SH problem go away.
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On May 06 2014 23:14 Coriolis wrote:
Nothing to change swarmhosts? Seriously? I'm pretty sure the only person that actually likes swarmhosts is stephano.
noooo you see, Stephano sacrificed his dignity and somewhat his sanity to show the world the absurdness of that fucking unit. Or I think.
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On May 11 2014 02:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
Protoss actually were pretty OK vs Hellbat drops for the most part once they tweaked a few things.
TvZ was fine to for the most part. TvT was horrible though and the main reason behind the nerf.
As far as strategies with the new change, the heavy hellion opening vs Protoss (see Dayshi , ForGG has a few public games to, etc) are substantially buffed in a few ways.
The normal TvZ hellion opening has some more bite to it as well.
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On May 11 2014 04:11 Entropy137 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 23:14 Coriolis wrote:
Nothing to change swarmhosts? Seriously? I'm pretty sure the only person that actually likes swarmhosts is stephano. noooo you see, Stephano sacrificed his dignity and somewhat his sanity to show the world the absurdness of that fucking unit. Or I think.
No actually stephano loves that type of play style and unit. He was the first one really back in the day in wol to play turtle static d with broodlord infestor..........he loves that sytle.
I hope the Terran changes go live, makes mech a lot better to play.
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Northern Ireland27056 Posts
Stephano was always one to be ahead on the curve strategically, especially when it comes to some of the most boring play styles out there
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Won't change much things, just that terrans will finally have decent timings in TvZ. TvP will still be hard for terrans and maybe we'll see some new timings in TvT.
Nice change in overall but not enough to rebalance the game.
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