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On March 21 2014 01:41 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:02 Squat wrote:On March 20 2014 23:58 ZAiNs wrote:On March 20 2014 23:57 Squat wrote:On March 20 2014 23:07 ZAiNs wrote:
Everyone hating on Rain even though Zest complains too and Flash says he went 68-2 in TvP practice >_<. It probably stems from the fact that what he is saying is completely decoupled from reality. It's like a German panzer general complaining that Polish cavalry is OP. Well yea Rain is probably exaggerating because Protoss OP has turned into some meme when he and other top Protoss don't think it's true at all. And yet, in the realm of reality, the one where we usually measure what is actually true or not, protoss is winning just about everything. Opinions, especially inherently biased ones, don't hold up well against facts. I am sure Rain and several other protoss players feel like it's really hard for protoss post patch. I am also sure it's largely irrelevant. We didn't buff zerg out the wazoo because Idra claimed the game was broken back in WoL. We look at who is actually winning and consistently doing well. The realm of reality is also the place where we read what people are saying. For example, when Rain comes in and says "if you don't blink all-in you're in deep shit PvT", you don't point to tournaments where people blink all-ined their way to victory as a proof that he's wrong. It's possible that he's wrong, that people need time to adapt. I've been advocating for a while that the only balanced state we could reach in this game is when every race thinks every other race is OP, and I still don't know for sure that you can't open templar first with the new mines. But if you're gonna say he's an idiot, at least do it based on the things he wrote, not based on the things you assumed.
I don't think or claim that Rain is an idiot at all. I think that statement was incredibly silly and divorced from reality. And I've seen nothing to suggest that protoss are somehow at a disadvantage in the late game against terran.
Yeah, protoss actually has to micro zealots against mines now, like zerg has been doing for all of HotS. I'm sure a player of Rain's caliber will pick up on it rather quickly.
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Kinda sad so few high level people that truly understands pvt here...
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On March 20 2014 10:21 igay wrote:
Shit will this be the beginning of the end for herO? He has suffered some big blows in the past week.
oh jaeh your right !!! 2-3 vs one of the best players of all time is horrible what did he do .... /irony off
are you kidding ?
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On March 20 2014 14:51 SAFenix wrote:
I cannot tell if Rain's QQ about Terran is serious or trolling...
no, its what alot people just say
just because some "players" on lower levels cry about protoss imba doesnt change fact that i think flash said in train he has an 98% winratio in tvp ^^ thats huge isnt it ? ^^
just wait guys and you will see it, but no instacry for buffs and nerfs is all you do all day  sadworld
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I love Rain. I hope Life wins this GSL
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Rain looked solid against her0$. It's time for Rain to get revenge on Wooki for his all-kill.
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Like BL/Infestor times... at least let Terran win one tournament before complaining, wtf Rain.
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On March 20 2014 23:50 Seeker wrote:
I am so happy to see this thread get bumped this much. Tears of joy falling down my face right now...
so you're ok if it gets bumped due to balance discussions 
On March 21 2014 03:12 Musicus wrote:
Like BL/Infestor times... at least let Terran win one tournament before complaining, wtf Rain.
he's setting himself up so if he faces Maru and loses, he can just claim Terran imba
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Oh just noticed Zest thanked first and someone said he's on the team Bounty Hunters trying to qualify for atc. Will be interesting to see him play again. Been a while
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Where dat snitch at?37029 Posts
On March 21 2014 03:59 Shellshock wrote:
Oh just noticed Zest thanked first and someone said he's on the team Bounty Hunters trying to qualify for atc. Will be interesting to see him play again. Been a while
First was on KT Rolster back when he was known as Anyppi. I think that's what Zest is talking about.
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On March 21 2014 03:12 Musicus wrote:
Like BL/Infestor times... at least let Terran win one tournament before complaining, wtf Rain.
A race being good and a race being successful are two different things. Terran can be OP even if Terran doesn't win tournaments, although that actually being true in this case seems somewhat unlikely.
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On March 21 2014 01:55 covetousrat wrote:
Kinda sad so few high level people that truly understands pvt here...
You're sad that there aren't that many high level people (shocker...), or that even they themselves don't understand the matchup? I'm confused.
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Terran may be in a better spot now in the upper layers of the ladder, but to say that they're imbalanced right now seems really stupid. There has been a patch, Protoss will adapt and I'm pretty sure we'll still see the truly good Protoss players far in tourneys, and maybe this time no one will only talk about how adept they are at being Protosses.
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Rain cracks me up. He does lay it on thick.
I would not take his comments all that seriously as Korean programers have a tradition of calling "imba!" at the smallest opportunity. It was always going to take a while for the patch to distill, and we will only start to see its full effects in PvT over the next season. For that reason, whatever happens, I hope Blizzard stay the fuck out of the game for the next 3 months or more.
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Of course, if there really is a problem, maybe we'll finally get that Stalker buff and Colo nerf I have been wanting since WOL...
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A Korean pro whining about balance? I'm absolutely shocked...
It's funny how most people don't seem to realize that Korean pros tend to whine harder than Idra.
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that zest thinking he can win 3-0 before game, vs mister 200k is just a joke lol
seems sos did to much party after his win xD
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On March 21 2014 05:05 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Terran may be in a better spot now in the upper layers of the ladder, but to say that they're imbalanced right now seems really stupid. There has been a patch, Protoss will adapt and I'm pretty sure we'll still see the truly good Protoss players far in tourneys, and maybe this time no one will only talk about how adept they are at being Protosses.
we also did see the truly good terran players far in tournaments, even winning, and still they cried their hearts out and finished in nerfs/Buffs ... why so wrong if p do same ? because its never done before ?
its time for protoss to jump on this zerg/terran whinetrain, we're pretty late to that party but we can do as well too
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It is in the maps guys, come on we already stated this a thousand times. Blink all-ins are good on almost all current tournament maps. Instead of fixing the maps we nerf a one race and buff another. Past season there was hardly any balance whine because the win/rates were kind of ok. Pre-patch everyone is like "Protoss OPPP", then we nerf P and buff T to balance out the whine. Next week the strong Blink maps are gone and we get maps with huge open-airspace and Terran will wreck protoss like never before...
I think the widowmine change was too strong. Zealots are supposed to be tanked and kited, not oneshot by mines. *you can splitlawl* yes, lik you can with unstimmed Marine/Marauder. Good luck with that.
In the other news. Protoss all-ins are now way more attractive, which leads to more all-ins and fewer 200/200 fights. Is that what we really want? I don't think so.
Terran just made their day a whole lot more frustrating.
I will be happy all-inning all of you on ladder.
GLGL
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On March 21 2014 05:50 Drake wrote:
that zest thinking he can win 3-0 before game, vs mister 200k is just a joke lol
seems sos did to much party after his win xD
I mean...$O$ pretty much had to play his matches immediately after he flew back from Poland. That's a ridiculous amount of jet lag to deal with
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On March 21 2014 05:52 Taronar wrote:
It is in the maps guys, come on we already stated this a thousand times. Blink all-ins are good on almost all current tournament maps. Instead of fixing the maps we nerf a one race and buff another. Past season there was hardly any balance whine because the win/rates were kind of ok. Pre-patch everyone is like "Protoss OPPP", then we nerf P and buff T to balance out the whine. Next week the strong Blink maps are gone and we get maps with huge open-airspace and Terran will wreck protoss like never before...
I think the widowmine change was too strong. Zealots are supposed to be tanked and kited, not oneshot by mines. *you can splitlawl* yes, lik you can with unstimmed Marine/Marauder. Good luck with that.
In the other news. Protoss all-ins are now way more attractive, which leads to more all-ins and fewer 200/200 fights. Is that what we really want? I don't think so.
Terran just made their day a whole lot more frustrating.
I will be happy all-inning all of you on ladder.
GLGL
We don't want more restrictions on maps though, we want all different kinds of maps to be balanced.
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