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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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hyuu
163 Posts
On November 17 2013 13:09 Incubus1993 wrote: The work ethic of foreigners must be absolutely awful, or Koreans just work that much harder. There hasn't been a single 1st place finish for a foreigner in 2013. There was a fair amount in 2011 and 2012, what happened? stephano retired | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Stephano wasn't the only successful foreigner of 2012. | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
And once again jjakji will crush the octopus! | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
 'So we meet again' oh wow, and I thought they would never play each other until they die... | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
Also I think it's worth mentioning that 3 koreans in the ro8 were only 1 map away from bein eliminated. There were some really close series and I think the foreigners put up a great fight. 6/8 koreans looks one sided, but I don't think it was. I'm actually quite optimistic that we will have great foreign results in the future when I look at guys like HeroMarine, Dayshi, Titan and of course Babyknight and Happy. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On November 17 2013 18:02 mongmong wrote: I couldn't agree with you more. The more I watch Naniwa, the more I'm impressed. I thought Naniwa was done for when he kept getting knocked out in tourneys in 2012 ,but somehow he keeps climbing back;fighting off the top koreans on his way. Sure, Huk, Idra and Stephano had their moments, but Naniwa's consistent results puts him above all foreigners imo. All opinion based of course, but I believe Stephano was considerably more consistent then Naniwa. For about a year Stephano was the undesputed foreign bonjwa. When Naniwa enters people always wonder which Naniwa will be attending, the best foreigner in the world, or the one who gets cheesed and tilts hard. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 17 2013 13:09 Incubus1993 wrote: The work ethic of foreigners must be absolutely awful, or Koreans just work that much harder. There hasn't been a single 1st place finish for a foreigner in 2013. There was a fair amount in 2011 and 2012, what happened? Teamhouses are OP. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On November 17 2013 13:09 Incubus1993 wrote: The work ethic of foreigners must be absolutely awful, or Koreans just work that much harder. There hasn't been a single 1st place finish for a foreigner in 2013. There was a fair amount in 2011 and 2012, what happened? More Koreans are going places. That's just the truth. Foreigners that won tournaments in 2012 generally did that at the least Korean saturated tournaments of the year. In 2011, even fewer Koreans were at events. Not to mention that "fair amount" really does not mean very many. I think 2 Dreamhacks were the flagship wins for foreigners in 2012, which had about 10 Koreans between them. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On November 17 2013 21:13 Zealously wrote: Stephano wasn't the only successful foreigner of 2012. Kespa guys then? Well, not them necessarily, but the fact that several Koreans chose to switch regions for WCS as a result. | ||
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TaishiCi
Korea (South)211 Posts
On November 17 2013 13:09 Incubus1993 wrote: The work ethic of foreigners must be absolutely awful, or Koreans just work that much harder. There hasn't been a single 1st place finish for a foreigner in 2013. There was a fair amount in 2011 and 2012, what happened? Foreigners in general practice much less than Koreans on average. Ofc there will be anomalies like Genius being incredibly lazy. To be fair to the foreign scene they are getting much better mechanically than before. Also there are more Koreans and less tournaments with less or no Koreans. to be really frank, HSC and IEMs used to have one of the weakest Korean lineups. you saw players like Shuttle getting a championship at IEM. If the top dog Koreans were allowed to come over at this pace, foreigners wouldn't have won any tournaments in 2011-2012. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Incubus1993
Canada140 Posts
On November 17 2013 18:13 ladysman09 wrote: I really don't think it's any sort of hard work that makes a player better than another. If a player is good then he's good, if he's bad then he's bad. Simple as that. Koreans are just better than foreigners at sc2. That's all there is to it. There are those exceptions of course. Look at stephano. He only practiced a total of like one hour a day and he still destroyed koreans. Stephano is just food, while his foreigner friends just aren't as good. It has nothing at all to do with practice, just look at stephano. Please elaborate. I'm pretty sure practice and work ethic is almost entirely what makes Koreans have a significant step up over foreigners. Koreans aren't just born "better". Sure Stephano is a unique exception, sometimes natural given talent and game sense can get rid of need to practice, that doesn't support your statement at all though because then you have to weigh in the fact that the overwhelming majority of Koreans pros are overall better than foreigners. I find it ridiculous to believe (no offence) that all of them are just "better". | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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ladysman09
237 Posts
On November 18 2013 04:36 Incubus1993 wrote: Please elaborate. I'm pretty sure practice and work ethic is almost entirely what makes Koreans have a significant step up over foreigners. Koreans aren't just born "better". Sure Stephano is a unique exception, sometimes natural given talent and game sense can get rid of need to practice, that doesn't support your statement at all though because then you have to weigh in the fact that the overwhelming majority of Koreans pros are overall better than foreigners. I find it ridiculous to believe (no offence) that all of them are just "better". Explain why Asians are naturally smarter than other people. My high school had a total of like 7 Asian kids and they took the top 7 rankings. I never saw them study at all. Any time I was out I would see them and they would even skip class. Asian people in general are just better than us at everything. Look at China, Japan, Korea. All are naturally smart, which is why they succeed so much. The same applies to Starcraft. Asians are just smarter and more talented than us. | ||
nimdil
Poland3747 Posts
On November 18 2013 05:53 ladysman09 wrote: Explain why Asians are naturally smarter than other people. My high school had a total of like 7 Asian kids and they took the top 7 rankings. I never saw them study at all. Any time I was out I would see them and they would even skip class. Asian people in general are just better than us at everything. Look at China, Japan, Korea. All are naturally smart, which is why they succeed so much. The same applies to Starcraft. Asians are just smarter and more talented than us. There are many small factors that can make the difference. Also "several friends" is in no way representative. I had 1 asian freidn in class high school and he was at best good, probably just above average. There is no biological superiority in asians, or any other group. EDIT: Also what do you mean by "the success so much"? What is so impressive about these three countries that Germany, Finland, UK, Brazil, Israel or Canada should feel bad about? (Well technically Israel is in Asia but from the context I assume you mean very far east Asia like CHina, Korea, Japan, not Iran, arabic countries or India). | ||
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SjPhotoGrapher
181 Posts
On November 17 2013 13:09 Incubus1993 wrote: The work ethic of foreigners must be absolutely awful, or Koreans just work that much harder. There hasn't been a single 1st place finish for a foreigner in 2013. There was a fair amount in 2011 and 2012, what happened? Koreans play to live, those outside of Asia play for fun. | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
On November 18 2013 05:53 ladysman09 wrote: Explain why Asians are naturally smarter than other people. My high school had a total of like 7 Asian kids and they took the top 7 rankings. I never saw them study at all. Any time I was out I would see them and they would even skip class. Asian people in general are just better than us at everything. Look at China, Japan, Korea. All are naturally smart, which is why they succeed so much. The same applies to Starcraft. Asians are just smarter and more talented than us. I completely disagree with u. There are smart ppl that don't study that much/ at all and are best at school. And they don't have to be asian. Also ur statement sounds pretty much like an excuse not to try ur very best to succeed, cuz asians are better anyways. And thats a pretty bad attitude to have. Asians seem to be work just harder in general. There are talented smart non-Asians just like ur mentioned Asians. And if a talented Asian also works hard he will be even better. Non-Asians just have to work as hard. Not make any excuses.... And thats what happens in sc2. I doubt that foreigners work as hard as Koreans do. Ofc there are exceptions. But thats why so few foreigners can take on Koreans. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3747 Posts
On November 18 2013 06:51 Phaenoman wrote: I completely disagree with u. There are smart ppl that don't study that much/ at all and are best at school. And they don't have to be asian. Also ur statement sounds pretty much like an excuse not to try ur very best to succeed, cuz asians are better anyways. And thats a pretty bad attitude to have. Asians seem to be work just harder in general. There are talented smart non-Asians just like ur mentioned Asians. And if a talented Asian also works hard he will be even better. Non-Asians just have to work as hard. Not make any excuses.... And thats what happens in sc2. I doubt that foreigners work as hard as Koreans do. Ofc there are exceptions. But thats why so few foreigners can take on Koreans. I think that the main difference is that for most korean progamers, playing SC is kind of career path while for most foreigners it's something they do while studying or before they go study or generally as a fill in between moving on. | ||
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ManiacUA
Ukraine29 Posts
Jesus, that game n4 between jjakji and Symbol was just so sweet | ||
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