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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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MikeMM
Russian Federation221 Posts
On September 10 2013 17:24 nighcol wrote: Yeah, as I said the time was bad but then again your claim was that it always has more than 24k. Right now it's 17:19 KST and the number I looked at previously is a bit over 8k which is pretty damn good for a game as old as BW but still nowhere near 24k. The SC2 number I compared was definitely not for Korea only though and doesn't matter too much. Will SC2 keep these numbers 15 years after its release and after SC3 have been released? I very much doubt it. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On September 10 2013 17:33 MikeMM wrote: Will SC2 keep these numbers 15 years after its release and after SC3 have been released? I very much doubt it. No, but I don't know whether or not BW will keep them for the next 15 either (doubt it) and past performance is not so relevant. The way esports (sadly) has so far worked has been that these games have a limited lifecycle and get replaced with new ones after some years. I feel the pain because I love Quake and that's another fairly longevous game that is not doing all too well anymore. I wish we could really have a single game stand the test of time but all evidence seems to indicate that BW was waning in popularity even before the SC2 switch. It is the same thing that each and every other game played as an esport has eventually had to face. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
Go ahead and watch the Clip from the KR TV-show where yellow, NalRa and Nada are there to talk about their lifes. You guys (especially BW-fanboys) are so fuckin dellusional I bet you even believe the shit you say. Bisu may have some fangirls left, but from the glory of the past days there is most likly less than 10% left. So stop saying Bisu's retirement would have a big impact in KR-SC2 scene. Hf&Gl Bisu, never loved you like others did but wish you bests at life. Oh and for all you doomssayers: did you forget who else retired? Nada and Yellow. Why isn't the world over allready? | ||
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illu23
Germany71 Posts
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On September 10 2013 17:53 bluQ wrote: Ummm how come people claim Bisu still has fans? Go ahead and watch the Clip from the KR TV-show where yellow, NalRa and Nada are there to talk about their lifes. You guys (especially BW-fanboys) are so fuckin dellusional I bet you even believe the shit you say. Bisu may have some fangirls left, but from the glory of the past days there is most likly less than 10% left. So stop saying Bisu's retirement would have a big impact in KR-SC2 scene. Hf&Gl Bisu, never loved you like others did but wish you bests at life. Oh and for all you doomssayers: did you forget who else retired? Nada and Yellow. Why isn't the world over allready? Most of his fans left with BW, it is true. | ||
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
On September 10 2013 16:48 Boonbag wrote: Basically the article states that once OGN switched to sc2 the viewing numbers rapidly began to fall. And it pretty much sounds like this is the last year of pro starcraft in Korea. Koreans don't like Sc2. Koreans don't give a flying fuck about it. Fish server has 24k users -_-;....... BLizzard and all the fanboys singlehandely destroyed the purest incarnation of pro gaming because they couldn't understand BW. It was too hardcore for them i guess. silly foreigners =( wrong. a solid percentage of the korean viewing audience for Brood War had only a surface level understanding of the game. the shows were as much MTV as they were ESPN. | ||
Falling
Canada11592 Posts
Ummm how come people claim Bisu still has fans? I am he. I am the fan you claim does not exist and I have not gone away. The thread as a whole could probably back off the SC2 doomsaying and bashing. On the otherhand, people could also back off on the outrage that people are saddened at an 'irrelevant player.' No Bisu fan has made the claim that he revolutionized SC2 Protoss. No fear, it's not going to happen, so don't get into a dither. But that's not why people are sad either and claiming Bisu as irrelevant and being outraged that people would care is quite clearly missing what TaekBangLeeSsang was to SC. | ||
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hedstrom
Sweden31 Posts
 glhf Kim Taek-Yong | ||
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On September 10 2013 18:15 Falling wrote: I am he. I am the fan you claim does not exist and I have not gone away. The thread as a whole could probably back off the SC2 doomsaying and bashing. On the otherhand, people could also back off on the outrage that people are saddened at an 'irrelevant player.' No Bisu fan has made the claim that he revolutionized SC2 Protoss. No fear, it's not going to happen, so don't get into a dither. But that's not why people are sad either and claiming Bisu as irrelevant and being outraged that people would care is quite clearly missing what TaekBangLeeSsang was to SC. I think the good/bad experiment would be to show all the hype before the switch how almost everyone and their mother hoped for players like TBLS transfering their play into SC2. If we remember that despite the bad outcome of Elephant article there was also a big hype created, even on the day of switch in MLG, Tastosis described the players with their trademark BW assets, we could see the glow in their eyes when they describe their used to be heroes. BW fans, SC2 fans for a while were united, the invigorating stage performance (Fantasy: "I will dominate", Leta's back flip) helped to grow an image. BW/SC2 fans were united because both of them could see a positive, even though first mostly wanted to diminish the pain of losing BW by seeing their own heroes tear apart the scene, proving the Elephant article. Second saw the one-opportunity of seeing the biggest "new blood" influx into already stagnated Korean WoL scene. What blew that moment? We should answer it for ourselfs. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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Grend
1600 Posts
Kind of hating on SC2 right now :-( | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
On September 10 2013 17:53 bluQ wrote: Ummm how come people claim Bisu still has fans? Go ahead and watch the Clip from the KR TV-show where yellow, NalRa and Nada are there to talk about their lifes. You guys (especially BW-fanboys) are so fuckin dellusional I bet you even believe the shit you say. Bisu may have some fangirls left, but from the glory of the past days there is most likly less than 10% left. So stop saying Bisu's retirement would have a big impact in KR-SC2 scene. Hf&Gl Bisu, never loved you like others did but wish you bests at life. Oh and for all you doomssayers: did you forget who else retired? Nada and Yellow. Why isn't the world over allready? In a fanboy poll today on TL Bisu would beat anyone but probably MC and Jaedong. I have no clue what you are talking about. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13081 Posts
Gl in real life ( or BW? ). | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
God damn ... Bisu ... my ... hero ... just ... retired ... i could cry (((((((((((( | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
We hate on blizzard for their policy agains Korean RTS Esport scene. For intentionally killing Broodwar and forcing switch to a game nobody wants and as we see statistics nobody cares about now, its just not as entertaining - Fact confurmed by statements of people who work/worked on the scene and by the low vewer count in Korea. Do you know what was Broodwar in Korea when official? It was epic, more epic than everything you have seen in SC2. For us fans it was an sacred thing and seeing each one of the legens like Bisu play was super exciting every single time. There were many bw related tv shows that were super fun too. It was a different world in which strong emotions, excitement and fun were constant experience. Now all that has gone. We have no BW scene, zero interest by the vewers, players so important to us constantly retiring and rumors about this is the last Starcraft proleague. How can us fans be happy with this? | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5469 Posts
Bisu is the only reason I might consider playing protoss  I said his name the other month randomly and my wife (Korean) said "Ohhhh! 김택용 잘 생겼지?..." "Bisu is handsome, isn't he?" Haha. One of those few times in your life you don't feel jealous when your wife says someone is handsome. Really sad to see Bisu retire. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 10 2013 19:29 _Animus_ wrote: We hate cuz they killed something and leaved nothing, its like American "peace" operation against some "evil dictator". Nobody wants you there, but you go by force and leave destruction. We hate on blizzard for their policy agains Korean RTS Esport scene. For intentionally killing Broodwar and forcing switch to a game nobody wants and as we see statistics nobody cares about now, its just not as entertaining - Fact confurmed by statements of people who work/worked on the scene and by the low vewer count in Korea. Do you know what was Broodwar in Korea when official? It was epic, more epic than everything you have seen in SC2. For us fans it was an sacred thing and seeing each one of the legens like Bisu play was super exciting every single time. There were many bw related tv shows that were super fun too. It was a different world in which strong emotions, excitement and fun were constant experience. Now all that has gone. We have no BW scene, zero interest by the vewers, players so important to us constantly retiring and rumors about this is the last Starcraft proleague. How can us fans be happy with this? Here is a better question: You have your own forums on this website, with a thread about this topic. If you hate SC2 so much, why not go there? Why post here, where there are SC2 fans who like the game? Are you just posting here out of spite because you want to make SC2 fans angry? | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On September 10 2013 19:29 _Animus_ wrote: We hate cuz they killed something and leaved nothing, its like American "peace" operation against some "evil dictator". Nobody wants you there, but you go by force and leave destruction. We hate on blizzard for their policy agains Korean RTS Esport scene. For intentionally killing Broodwar and forcing switch to a game nobody wants and as we see statistics nobody cares about now, its just not as entertaining - Fact confurmed by statements of people who work/worked on the scene and by the low vewer count in Korea. Do you know what was Broodwar in Korea when official? It was epic, more epic than everything you have seen in SC2. For us fans it was an sacred thing and seeing each one of the legens like Bisu play was super exciting every single time. There were many bw related tv shows that were super fun too. It was a different world in which strong emotions, excitement and fun were constant experience. Now all that has gone. We have no BW scene, zero interest by the vewers, players so important to us constantly retiring and rumors about this is the last Starcraft proleague. How can us fans be happy with this? Who´s "we"? You can only speak for yourself, so please don´t pretend otherwise. | ||
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
On September 10 2013 18:59 disciple wrote: In a fanboy poll today on TL Bisu would beat anyone but probably MC and Jaedong. I have no clue what you are talking about. Who want to do this poll? Btw, i'm still waiting for some epic tribute. I hope it'll come  | ||
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