EPTSC2 Power Rank - September 2013 - Page 5
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
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LittleRedBoy
United States229 Posts
On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that. If she was Korean she would've been ranked lower than she is now. I mean look at Naniwa getting special mentions. He certainly has no business being in the top 10. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On September 05 2013 11:32 Monochromatic wrote: I'd replace Innovation with Sora. Honestly, Innovation completely failed in August. Sora had an absolutely amazing run, perhaps the greatest run in SC2 history, beating an absurd number of well-known pros while coming in as a complete no-name. Didn't the guy make the semifinals of the OSL? Didn't the guy qualify for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea? Innovation did have a rough month in August, but even then, his bad month is better than a lot of players' best months. | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On September 05 2013 11:21 Superiorwolf wrote: Why would Maru be #3 after getting absolutely demolished by Scarlett and also losing to aLive, whereas both those players don't even make top 10 ;; Yeah he won WCS KR but his horrid performance at WCS Season Finals shouldn't mean absolutely nothing (he gained a rank???) Maru loses to Scarlett, who loses to Bomber, who loses to Rain, who loses to Maru There you go, Maru > Scarlett! Math proved! | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
Bomber was always going to be #1. Semi finals of WCS KR taking down a string of strong players on the way, then dominating WCS Finals. I think Jaedong definitely deserves his place in top 4, maybe I'd put him ahead of Maru. Taeja played beautifully all month. I think innovation will return to the top half very soon. Not so much about adjusting to the hellbat nerf, but was probably not happy with the situation of STX. He seemed happy to be part of acer in GSTL, infact I may have even seen him smile  | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results. I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month. Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be. And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias): + Show Spoiler + 1. Taeja 2. Innovation 3. Soulkey 4. Bomber 5. Rain 6. Polt 7. Parting 8. sOs 9. Jaedong 10. Hyun With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote: I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain. The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results. I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month. Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be. And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias): + Show Spoiler + 1. Taeja 2. Innovation 3. Soulkey 4. Bomber 5. Rain 6. Polt 7. Parting 8. sOs 9. Jaedong 10. Hyun With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank? | ||
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partydude89
1850 Posts
On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote: I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain. The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results. I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month. Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be. And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias): + Show Spoiler + 1. Taeja 2. Innovation 3. Soulkey 4. Bomber 5. Rain 6. Polt 7. Parting 8. sOs 9. Jaedong 10. Hyun With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. I like TL power rank. its all about what happened that month. I fully agree bomber deserves #1 by winning WCS finals. he also beat your #1. and polt beat your #1 as well. | ||
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ahmedaak88
Kuwait12 Posts
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SaltySam
65 Posts
Innovation displayed in S2 Finals that his TvT is around the same level as Taeja who almost beat Bomber and Polt. Who are the best known TvT players. Also, Innovation has the best TvZ. He has shown weak TvP by his losses to Naniwa and Parting in TvP. Jaedong only showed strong PvZ and against protoss who don't have good showings against zerg recently. Jaedong hasn't shown strong ZvT. Also, he was around the same level as Scarlett in ZvZ who was around the same level of Life who was thrashed by Soulkey. Soulkey has the best ZvT. Having the best ZvT is far more impressive than great ZvP. All top level protoss have mixed PvZ results (barring Sora). So beating them isn't that impressive. First proved he was on a different level than Polt in PvT. Polt's best match up is TvT. Polt's TvZ was around Revival's level over a month ago, so hard to gauge. Polt defeated Jaedong, but his ZvT is weak. Click spoiler for rankings and etc. + Show Spoiler + Bomber: TvP: Top 5 TvT: Top 5 TvZ: Scarlett level Taeja: TvP: Top 5 TvT: Top 5 TvZ: (Barely defeated HyuN in bo3 and lost to Nerchio in bo1, no other relevant recent TvZ ) Polt: TvP: (A level below First) TvT: Top 5 TvZ: Hard to gauge. Above Jaedong which doesn't mean much. Innovation: TvZ: Best TvT: Top 5 TvP: Below Parting? Soulkey: ZvT: Best out of every zerg, SuperNova level, and below Innovation ZvZ: Best HOTS record of any top zerg (Never lost a bo3) Many top zergs haven’t played enough ZvZ with each other for me to know how they rank. ZvP: Below Sora? Jaedong: ZvP: (Defeated several top protoss who haven't shown great or consistent PvZ) Which makes his dominance over them less impressive. ZvZ: Scarlett level or a little higher ZvT: Can’t compete with high level terrans. Only defeated Ryung in the past 35 who hasn’t shown great TvZ. First: PvT: Top 5 PvP: Unknown PvZ: Beat Symbol who has weak ZvP and lost to Jaedong. Maru: TvT: Beat Innovation when he had lesser TvT and lost to aLive who played on a higher level than at WCS NA. Hard to gauge. TvZ: Not great. TvP: Top 5 Parting: PvP: Possibly the best PvP? PvT: Above Innovation which doesn’t say much. PvZ: Below Soulkey. Rain: PvT: Top 5 PvZ: Lost to Jaedong and beat Savage. Not impressive. PvP: Top level PvP Look at aligulac for match history. So tell me how Innovation is below First, Rain, Polt, Jaedong, and Maru? Innovation has top 5 TvT, best TvZ, and weak TvP. Jaedong beat protoss not known for PvZ but showed great ZvP, high level ZvZ and weak ZvT. First has top 5 PvT, unknown PvP, and weak PvZ. Rain has top 5 PvT, high level PvP, and weak PvZ. Polt has top 5 TvT, high level TvZ, and weak TvP. Maru has top 5 TvP, high level TvT, and weak TvZ. See the comparisons? Jaedong is my favorite player on this list (besides Parting), but you are overrating him. SuperNova should be here over Parting. Supernova showed top level PvT almost beating First and Rain while showing top level TvZ by defeating Soulkey. SuperNova was more impressive to me than Parting. SuperNova lost to Dear and sOs, but that just means they have great PvT or SuperNova had a bad day. (I am not a SuperNova fan, don't start) 1. Bomber 2-3. Taeja-Innovation 4-5. Rain-Maru 6-9.Soulkey-Polt-Jaedong-First 10.SuperNova Writing too much detail would take too long, but you get the point. I am aware that games are also determined by mindset, build orders, tilting, small number of mistakes, good/bad day, consistency issues, and etc. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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SaltySam
65 Posts
On September 05 2013 12:59 lichter wrote: I know, but that defeats the purpose of a power ranking in my opinion. Since stronger players with less results are lower. Oh well. xPThe rankings also take into consideration tournament success, not just quality of play. People who win things (or get 2nd I guess) get a huge bump over people who don't. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 05 2013 13:00 SaltySam wrote: I know, but that defeats the purpose of a power ranking in my opinion. Since stronger players with less results are lower. Oh well. xP Money is power; winning gets you money :p | ||
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2440 Posts
On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that. conana~ | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
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monk
United States8477 Posts
you guys are cute | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
I'd love to have someone impossibly consistent and always at the top in the scene, kinda like the "B" people in broodwar (you know what i'm talking about) and so I wanted innovation to continue as #1 for long periods of time. However, variation is also good- not to mention Bomber's storyline is simply epic, and innovation's play has been so underwhelming this month. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
When I google "conana" it just gives me pics of Conan O'Brien eh, good enough | ||
Waxangel
United States33705 Posts
On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that. joke post | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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