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SC2 Power Rank - September 2013 - Page 6

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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 05 2013 05:01 GMT
#101
I'm kind of interested if the writers of power rank are upset or happy when theres so much debate over each player on the list
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
September 05 2013 05:04 GMT
#102
Coolest PW so far imo (not to mention how accurate it is,although I kinda doubt Polt being better than for example Innovation) ^^
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 05 2013 05:13 GMT
#103
On September 05 2013 14:01 bo1b wrote:
I'm kind of interested if the writers of power rank are upset or happy when theres so much debate over each player on the list


More hits and post = better power rank
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
September 05 2013 05:14 GMT
#104
Honestly, and as expected, this month PR was gonno be messy and controversial. So much emphasis was placed on one tournament.
LittleRedBoy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States229 Posts
September 05 2013 05:16 GMT
#105
On September 05 2013 14:14 Thrillz wrote:
Honestly, and as expected, this month PR was gonno be messy and controversial. So much emphasis was placed on one tournament.


Well when you only have a few tournaments each month there is going to be a lot of emphasis placed on each one.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
September 05 2013 05:18 GMT
#106
On September 05 2013 14:16 LittleRedBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 14:14 Thrillz wrote:
Honestly, and as expected, this month PR was gonno be messy and controversial. So much emphasis was placed on one tournament.


Well when you only have a few tournaments each month there is going to be a lot of emphasis placed on each one.


Which is unavoidable, but not less controversial. 1 decent run or 1 bad day erases everything you did before.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 05 2013 05:20 GMT
#107
Please keep in mind that since Innovation is no longer KeSPA he gets no inherent +5 in the rankings
AdministratorBreak the chains
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
September 05 2013 05:21 GMT
#108
This Power rank looks about right. Fuck yeah, Bomber.

And glad to see First rising again gradually.
Long live the King of Wings
SaltySam
Profile Joined January 2013
65 Posts
September 05 2013 05:38 GMT
#109
On September 05 2013 13:04 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 13:00 SaltySam wrote:
On September 05 2013 12:59 lichter wrote:
The rankings also take into consideration tournament success, not just quality of play. People who win things (or get 2nd I guess) get a huge bump over people who don't.
I know, but that defeats the purpose of a power ranking in my opinion. Since stronger players with less results are lower. Oh well. xP


Money is power; winning gets you money :p
Well then MC should be in the top 10 shouldn't he? xP
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
September 05 2013 05:45 GMT
#110
Looks spot on to me!
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
September 05 2013 05:46 GMT
#111
On September 05 2013 14:38 SaltySam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 13:04 lichter wrote:
On September 05 2013 13:00 SaltySam wrote:
On September 05 2013 12:59 lichter wrote:
The rankings also take into consideration tournament success, not just quality of play. People who win things (or get 2nd I guess) get a huge bump over people who don't.
I know, but that defeats the purpose of a power ranking in my opinion. Since stronger players with less results are lower. Oh well. xP


Money is power; winning gets you money :p
Well then MC should be in the top 10 shouldn't he? xP


This isnt 2011
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
September 05 2013 05:53 GMT
#112
On September 05 2013 14:20 Zealously wrote:
Please keep in mind that since Innovation is no longer KeSPA he gets no inherent +5 in the rankings

That made me laugh harder then it should have.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 06:00:42
September 05 2013 05:56 GMT
#113
On September 05 2013 12:18 Popkiller wrote:
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On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:
I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain.

The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results.

I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month.

Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be.

And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun

With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them.


how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank?


results are never irrelevant.
But yeah, player like Soulkey would not drop out to the bottom of my power rank just for losing few matches, while he is clearly the best Zerg in the world.
Same for some other players, like Rain, sOs or Innovation.
On the other hand, players like Maru, who had ONE lucky run, where they didn't even show any too impressive play, would not get anywhere close to my power rank.

So to answer your question, dropping to challenger league and failing to requalify would get a player considerably lower, failing to requalify in the next season would drop them out. Not dropping (but not winning) or just requalifying in the shortest amount of time does NOT make you the worse player. Nobody can have 100% winrate (nobody can get even close to that at all).

Therefore I don't believe having such heavy emphasis on only this month results can pinpoint the best players in the world, in any way, shape or form.
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 05 2013 05:57 GMT
#114
On September 05 2013 14:56 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 12:18 Popkiller wrote:
On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:
I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain.

The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results.

I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month.

Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be.

And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun

With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them.


how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank?


results are never irrelevant.
But yeah, player like Soulkey would not drop out to the bottom of my power rank just for losing few matches, while he is clearly the best Zerg in the world.
Same for some other players, like Rain, sOs or Innovation.
On the other hand, players like Maru, who had ONE lucky run, where they didn't even show any too impressive play, would not get anywhere close to my power rank.


Mvp is #1 on my power rank
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
September 05 2013 05:58 GMT
#115
On September 05 2013 14:20 Zealously wrote:
Please keep in mind that since Innovation is no longer KeSPA he gets no inherent +5 in the rankings


Makes perfect sense. Count them K.e.S.P.A.

OT:

Have to say all in all i'd agree with this PR, Taeja should be in top 10 alone for that TvT he showed us vs Inno.
With him having good games and good results each time over the last month i can see him being number 2.

People see Innovation's all kill in the GSTL and forget how far he fell in august, he's still a top terran but his weaknesses were clearly shown last month. Only his TvZ remains something you can't beat, he lost the auro of the other two matchups.

I know results don't show it, but i still believe Soulkey is the better zerg between SK and JD. It's just that Soulkey has less chances to prove it. And fair enough JD did improve again and again, even his 0-4 vs Polt was not that bad, he played rather well imo, just never good enough to beat Polt or the TvZ matchup.
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
September 05 2013 06:12 GMT
#116
PartinG shall climb!
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
September 05 2013 06:12 GMT
#117
Ive always thought of Power Rankings as more of a "who's winning RIGHT now" and less of "who's better overall".
So basically I have no issue with the rankings.
Thanks for a great article and good insight. .
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37076 Posts
September 05 2013 06:22 GMT
#118
DAT BOMBER!

Great PR again this month.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
September 05 2013 06:22 GMT
#119
On September 05 2013 15:12 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
Ive always thought of Power Rankings as more of a "who's winning RIGHT now" and less of "who's better overall".
So basically I have no issue with the rankings.
Thanks for a great article and good insight. .


If you are winning right now, aren't you better overall right now either ?
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
September 05 2013 06:33 GMT
#120
Power rank without PL seems so boringly reasonable.

Watching Jaedong getting sent to so many tournaments and improving in every one is so satisfying to watch. It´s like his inner tyrant has been unleashed in this setting.
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