SK MC's thoughts on the current state of SC2 - Page 44

On September 06 2013 16:46 GhostTK wrote:
My question with ZvT is that, why dont zergs get lurkers and swarmhosts? Those units arent even being built and they are GREAT against the bio force of Terran. Blinding cloud makes it so that Zerg's banelings cant be targeted by widow mines.

On September 06 2013 22:25 Jawra wrote:
I love Starcraft 2: it has some cool new units, it has awesome graphics and many matchups are actually fun to watch, but
there are fundamental problems with Starcraft 2 at the moment - like that 3base economy is optimal. There is no additional benefit from taking and mining from more bases than 3 at the same time. And of course there is the 5sec Deathballfights into GG which stems from flaws in the design of mostly the Protoss and Zerg race.

Protoss flaw: Warptech and the fact that Stalkers are so weak. Both of these makes for a stale midgame where the Protoss simply has to get out higher tech to even move out on the map but if they do, then it's called an all-in, not aggression or assault - an all-in. Warptech removed Defender's Advantage by enabling you to reinforce straight across the map which also contributes to such weird matchup where if you are down 10 supply against a Protoss, guess what..he's going to charge your ass and you'll die instantly without any chance of a comeback because of him warping in just outside your base.
Solution: remove warptech and buff stalker damage to stabilize midgame and remove deathballing.

Zerg flaw: This race's flaw comes into play mostly in the Zerg versus Terran matchup. Here we see Widow Mines, a previously planned Defensive/Area control unit being abused offensively when the Terran secures 3bases and then just starts the endless parade of WidowMineBio towards the Zerg's 3-4'th which never stops until either the Zerg is dead or the Zerg actually survives and gets to Hive tech where Ultralisks come into play and perhaps even Infestors. To mix this matchup up to a much more enjoyable gamestyle either now or by LotV you would have to make two change to the Zerg race, none to the other. If this change were to come into play I would be certain that lots of transitions would be happening: I'd see the Raven being used in a totally different way, even in BioMine, I'd see a Mechtransition actually be viable in TvZ which in turn would lead to a Swarm Host transition, etc etc.
Solution in LotV: Lair tech enables you to morph roaches into lurkers(armored unit) and introduce the scourge to the spire to hinder the Terran from just avoiding your lurkers and doing drops everywhere.

On top of these changes there should also be additional benefit to having more than 3 bases. If one of the players gets to 6 bases against his opponents 3...he should be in an economical lead and easily be outmassing his opponent.
Solution: reduce resource collection from each individual base.

Would anyone agree with this being the matter of Starcraft2 atm? Please correct me if I am wrong.

On September 06 2013 16:52 zhurai wrote:

uhhhhh... no

widow mine's attacks are abilities, therefore blinding cloud doesn't work on it...

same reason as why window mines do the damage they do to immortals' shields

On September 06 2013 22:25 Jawra wrote:
I love Starcraft 2: it has some cool new units, it has awesome graphics and many matchups are actually fun to watch, but
there are fundamental problems with Starcraft 2 at the moment - like that 3base economy is optimal. There is no additional benefit from taking and mining from more bases than 3 at the same time. And of course there is the 5sec Deathballfights into GG which stems from flaws in the design of mostly the Protoss and Zerg race.

Protoss flaw: Warptech and the fact that Stalkers are so weak. Both of these makes for a stale midgame where the Protoss simply has to get out higher tech to even move out on the map but if they do, then it's called an all-in, not aggression or assault - an all-in. Warptech removed Defender's Advantage by enabling you to reinforce straight across the map which also contributes to such weird matchup where if you are down 10 supply against a Protoss, guess what..he's going to charge your ass and you'll die instantly without any chance of a comeback because of him warping in just outside your base.
Solution: remove warptech and buff stalker damage to stabilize midgame and remove deathballing.

Zerg flaw: This race's flaw comes into play mostly in the Zerg versus Terran matchup. Here we see Widow Mines, a previously planned Defensive/Area control unit being abused offensively when the Terran secures 3bases and then just starts the endless parade of WidowMineBio towards the Zerg's 3-4'th which never stops until either the Zerg is dead or the Zerg actually survives and gets to Hive tech where Ultralisks come into play and perhaps even Infestors. To mix this matchup up to a much more enjoyable gamestyle either now or by LotV you would have to make two change to the Zerg race, none to the other. If this change were to come into play I would be certain that lots of transitions would be happening: I'd see the Raven being used in a totally different way, even in BioMine, I'd see a Mechtransition actually be viable in TvZ which in turn would lead to a Swarm Host transition, etc etc.
Solution in LotV: Lair tech enables you to morph roaches into lurkers(armored unit) and introduce the scourge to the spire to hinder the Terran from just avoiding your lurkers and doing drops everywhere.

On top of these changes there should also be additional benefit to having more than 3 bases. If one of the players gets to 6 bases against his opponents 3...he should be in an economical lead and easily be outmassing his opponent.
Solution: reduce resource collection from each individual base.

Would anyone agree with this being the matter of Starcraft2 atm? Please correct me if I am wrong.

vs Protoss basically everything counters them on a-move (Colossi, Immortal, Chargelot, Archon) or can abuse their immobility (air units, blink stalkers)

On September 06 2013 16:46 GhostTK wrote:
My question with ZvT is that, why dont zergs get lurkers and swarmhosts? Those units arent even being built and they are GREAT against the bio force of Terran. Blinding cloud makes it so that Zerg's banelings cant be targeted by widow mines.