Team MVP, Prime, and LG-IM announced their departure from the eSF, and declined to participate in the next GSTL. ThisIsGame was able to interview the head coaches of each team briefly.
Why did you leave the eSF?
Kang Dong Hoon (IM): It was a choice that helps the team move in a helpful direction, and one that lets us look for progress. In order to leave possibilities as open as possible, we left the eSF.
Park Wae Shik (Prime): Running the team up to now, it was a time where we needed to make a change. I want to focus on solving the team's finances and running the team. It's true we received help from the Federation in many ways, but just looking at the current situation it was time to leave and look for new solutions.
Choi Yoon Sang (MVP): The MVP team motto is "Create a team that gamers want to come to," but I think we just lapsed into mannerisms at a certain point. Instead of staying complacent in the present, we decided to make the decision that would allow us to make the changes needed for progress.
How did the team's financial difficulties factor in?
Park: As it is well known, eSF teams cannot give salaries to players and are in difficult situations financially, unlike the KeSPA teams. Our team, too, was difficultly run up to this point, and sponsorships are the most urgent issue. If KeSPA can help us in this regard, then we could think positively about joining KeSPA.
Does this mean you are joining KeSPA?
Kang: We did not leave eSF in order to join KeSPA. We did receive help from KeSPA regarding the LG case, but that's a different issue from joining KeSPA. I don't know how things will unfold in the future, but we are discussing many things positively with KeSPA at the moment. I plan to leave open all possibilities that could be helpful to the team.
Choi: I don't know what choices will be made in the future, but it will be in the direction that helps the entire MVP team.
It would have been possible to play in the GSTL without being a part of the eSF like in the case of Axiom-Acer. Why have you decided not to participate?
Park: As I mentioned before, it's a time where we need a change, and we decided it would be difficult to participate in the GSTL right now. Revamping the team is the first priority, and we decided it would be the right decision to participate in leagues after we find stability.
Choi: As mentioned before, it's so we can have a time for change. There is no other reason.
There is word of a LoL Proleague in the future. Did that affect your decision?
Kang: No, it's a separate issue. I have no idea when, or in what format the LoL Proleague will open. LoL is popular and is receiving a lot of attention, but this is still a decision for the entire team, including our SC2 players.
Choi: Not at all. I have heard of it through rumors, but I don't know when or how a LoL Proleague would be run.
Prime is looking for LoL players right now. What's the reason for expanding game disciplines at this point?
Park: We were already planning the recently announced LoL recruitment since 3 months ago. LoL has taken its place as the most popular esport in Korea and overseas, and we decided that for a team that seeks to be a top esports team in the world, we must have a LoL squad.
There are rumors that MVP is going to be acquired by Samsung. Is it true? Also, could you talk about the rumors that the SC2 team is being disbanded?
Choi: I can't say specifically, but there are parties we are negotiating with regarding the LoL team. When things are determined, we will announce it. There's no truth to the SC2 team disbanding. We took first place in the regular season of the previous GSTL season, second place in the final rankings, and Duckdeok won the championship at WCS Europe Season 2. Seven of our players (5 in Korea, 2 in Europe) are in the Premier League. I don't know how such a rumor gets out in such a great situation. I would appreciate it if people didn't spread rumors without being absolutely sure.
When he (IM Coach) says he received help from KeSPA on the LG case does that mean that it was resolved and they got there sponsorship cause the way he said it seemed to imply it was no longer an issue?
Pretty much nothing to take from this aside from some solace in knowing MVP will still be around. It'd really suck if one of the top 3 sc2 teams ever disbanded :/
then again, STX Soul was looking towards a bright future in sc2, now they're headed towards the dog house.
i dont get it why not participate in gstl except if your joining kespa and they wouldn't like you getting in there competition league , i mean its so obvious .
I can't tell if this interview is real or not. Like if I had done a mock interview, the only thing else I would have included would have been a reference to PirateZerg, MoustacheZerg, and Ozsucksballswithoutme.
On September 01 2013 13:40 ahmedaak88 wrote: i dont get it why not participate in gstl except if your joining kespa and they wouldn't like you getting in there competition league , i mean its so obvious .
It does seem kind of weird if you are looking for a sponsor to not sign up for one of the biggest team leagues in the world for the free exposure.
Is this a good or bad thing? It seems the teams wanted to do this so I have to assume good things will come from it. Proleague perhaps? I'm surprised Startale isn't with them.
On September 01 2013 13:40 ahmedaak88 wrote: i dont get it why not participate in gstl except if your joining kespa and they wouldn't like you getting in there competition league , i mean its so obvious .
Well they even said in the interview that they needed the time to apparently recover from leaving eSF and plan their next course of action. From a viewer perspective you'd think they could do both, but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.
It would have been possible to play in the GSTL without being a part of the eSF like in the case of Axiom-Acer. Why have you decided not to participate?
Park: As I mentioned before, it's a time where we need a change, and we decided it would be difficult to participate in the GSTL right now. Revamping the team is the first priority, and we decided it would be the right decision to participate in leagues after we find stability.
Choi: As mentioned before, it's so we can have a time for change. There is no other reason.
I can't get over how ridiculously stupid this sounds
" So you left eSF and the GSTL, can you tell us why? "
" We thought it was time for a change, a change to not playing the game and not making any money. We're also totally not joining Kespa. "
On September 01 2013 13:51 ahmedaak88 wrote: Ok i am positive now there dropping sc2 and making a lol team because only a league of legends team answer question in this stupid way
Teams stating plainly that they are not dropping SC2 = dropping SC2? Ok.
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
SNM didnt say shit, he was merely translating rumours. learn the difference
By doing so, he spread the rumor in the foreign scenes. He knew that was going to happen, too. Simply "translating" my ass.
Seriously guys, lay off poor snm. The guy merely translated the rumours because he knew the foreign community would be interested in knowing what's going on during PL off season. Not his fault they were grabbed and paraded around as if they were 100% truth. Communities fault imo, not his especially when he mentioned in each one that it's a rumour!
Interviews didn't give much answers lol. I'm pretty sure they'll eventually join KeSPA.
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
SNM didnt say shit, he was merely translating rumours. learn the difference
By doing so, he spread the rumor in the foreign scenes. He knew that was going to happen, too. Simply "translating" my ass.
Seriously guys, lay off poor snm. The guy merely translated the rumours because he knew the foreign community would be interested in knowing what's going on during PL off season. Not his fault they were grabbed and paraded around as if they were 100% truth. Communities fault imo, not his especially when he mentioned in each one that it's a rumour!
Interviews didn't give much answers lol. I'm pretty sure they'll eventually join KeSPA.
Basically the interview is "we will probably join Kespa but we dont want to jinx it so shhhh"
I didn't exactly attack SNM, I merely stated he got it wrong, nonetheless I apologise for my outburst, it was unnecessary and merely the product of a moment of excitement, and SNM happened to be where I heard the rumour from first.
Wow. I actually managed to get almost nothing out of this interview outside of "MVP SC2 not disbanding!"
These guys need to take PR training or something, 'cause this is one of the most blatant "hush hush furtive wink wink cover our tracks" interviews I've ever read.
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
SNM didnt say shit, he was merely translating rumours. learn the difference
By doing so, he spread the rumor in the foreign scenes. He knew that was going to happen, too. Simply "translating" my ass.
Seriously guys, lay off poor snm. The guy merely translated the rumours because he knew the foreign community would be interested in knowing what's going on during PL off season. Not his fault they were grabbed and paraded around as if they were 100% truth. Communities fault imo, not his especially when he mentioned in each one that it's a rumour!
Interviews didn't give much answers lol. I'm pretty sure they'll eventually join KeSPA.
He had no reason to translate unfounded rumors, especially rumors that put players and teams in awkard positions. It was very unprofessional of him and all he did was cause confusion and drama. He has connections to KeSPA and esports teams and his "rumors" are taken seriously, especially when he did not specifically say that the source of the rumors were unreliable.
On September 01 2013 14:02 babylon wrote: Wow. I actually managed to get almost nothing out of this interview outside of "MVP SC2 not disbanding!"
These guys need to take PR training or something, 'cause this is one of the most blatant "hush hush furtive wink wink cover our tracks" interviews I've ever read.
Need to take? It sounds like they've already passed it with flying colors.
On September 01 2013 14:02 babylon wrote: Wow. I actually managed to get almost nothing out of this interview outside of "MVP SC2 not disbanding!"
These guys need to take PR training or something, 'cause this is one of the most blatant "hush hush furtive wink wink cover our tracks" interviews I've ever read.
Need to take? It sounds like they've already passed it with flying colors.
Good PR is soothing the community's worries while revealing no information. This is just making the community suspicious while revealing no information. It's hardly better than "no comment."
On September 01 2013 14:02 babylon wrote: Wow. I actually managed to get almost nothing out of this interview outside of "MVP SC2 not disbanding!"
These guys need to take PR training or something, 'cause this is one of the most blatant "hush hush furtive wink wink cover our tracks" interviews I've ever read.
Need to take? It sounds like they've already passed it with flying colors.
well, the better move would have been to decline the interview altogether
but as long as they were going to do it, they made the prudent replies, regardless of their actual future plans. there's no reason whatsoever to talk about their future moves until they're 100% set in stone.
On September 01 2013 14:02 Sorathez wrote: I didn't exactly attack SNM, I merely stated he got it wrong, nonetheless I apologise for my outburst, it was unnecessary and merely the product of a moment of excitement, and SNM happened to be where I heard the rumour from first.
ya, no worries. I think your comment was fine although to be clear, he didn't create, he merely translated(you already know that though lol).
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
On September 01 2013 13:53 Junho.C wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:44 Skamtet wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
SNM didnt say shit, he was merely translating rumours. learn the difference
By doing so, he spread the rumor in the foreign scenes. He knew that was going to happen, too. Simply "translating" my ass.
Seriously guys, lay off poor snm. The guy merely translated the rumours because he knew the foreign community would be interested in knowing what's going on during PL off season. Not his fault they were grabbed and paraded around as if they were 100% truth. Communities fault imo, not his especially when he mentioned in each one that it's a rumour!
Interviews didn't give much answers lol. I'm pretty sure they'll eventually join KeSPA.
He had no reason to translate unfounded rumors, especially rumors that put players and teams in awkard positions. It was very unprofessional of him and all he did was cause confusion and drama. He has connections to KeSPA and esports teams and his "rumors" are taken seriously, especially when he did not specifically say that the source of the rumors were unreliable.
He could translate whatever rumour he wants. It's his twitter account sheesh >< Idc if he has connections to KeSPA or the teams, people wanted to know about the KR scene, he translated and said it was a rumour then the community grabbed on to it like that. There is a reason its called a rumour and by definition, it means it might or might not be right! He doesn't even work for PL last time I checked(he left to continue education or something I believe) so you can't really say that he was unprofessional when he's not working for them.
On September 01 2013 14:02 babylon wrote: Wow. I actually managed to get almost nothing out of this interview outside of "MVP SC2 not disbanding!"
These guys need to take PR training or something, 'cause this is one of the most blatant "hush hush furtive wink wink cover our tracks" interviews I've ever read.
Need to take? It sounds like they've already passed it with flying colors.
Good PR is soothing the community's worries while revealing no information. This is just making the community suspicious while revealing no information. It's hardly better than "no comment."
Conceded. It was good in that it revealed no information, but bad in that it eased (almost) nothing.
On September 01 2013 14:02 babylon wrote: Wow. I actually managed to get almost nothing out of this interview outside of "MVP SC2 not disbanding!"
These guys need to take PR training or something, 'cause this is one of the most blatant "hush hush furtive wink wink cover our tracks" interviews I've ever read.
Need to take? It sounds like they've already passed it with flying colors.
well, the better move would have been to decline the interview altogether
but as long as they were going to do it, they made the prudent replies, regardless of their actual future plans. there's no reason whatsoever to talk about their future moves until they're 100% set in stone.
IM and Prime could've declined (especially IM, whose answers made no sense), but I feel MVP was right in clarifying MVP.SC2 still exists.
On September 01 2013 14:11 smashlloyd20 wrote: Shoutouts to MVP coach on the last question for basically saying re: MVP disbanding: 'lol we're doing amazing keep dreaming'
However, it does look like their LoL team are in negotiations to turn into Samsung. It does place them in an awkward place, since having both teams (especially one has good as Ozone) means better chances for all of MVP to thrive,
I'm confused how not doing GSTL is supposed to help them. I mean, are they going to make their players sit around all day and contemplate how to make more money?
wtf how could zou get nothing from that interview?
IM was probably most cryptic - only sure thing is that they in talks to join Kespa (since 'other opportunities' basically = Kespa, because there are no other opportunities besides Kespa and eSF in Korea).
MVP was more straight - they are not disbanding, they are selling one of their LoL teams and also plan to join Kespa asap.
And Prime was desperate - they need sponsor and they need it ASAP. And they hope Kespa will help them find one (lolno).
On September 01 2013 14:11 smashlloyd20 wrote: Shoutouts to MVP coach on the last question for basically saying re: MVP disbanding: 'lol we're doing amazing keep dreaming'
However, it does look like their LoL team are in negotiations to turn into Samsung. It does place them in an awkward place, since having both teams (especially one has good as Ozone) means better chances for all of MVP to thrive,
Is that really the case? MVP.LoL has a few sponsors that don't sponsor MVP.SC2, notably resulting in MVP.SC2 doing a fundraiser to travel to Germany for Acer TeamStory Cup.
On September 01 2013 14:02 Sorathez wrote: I didn't exactly attack SNM, I merely stated he got it wrong, nonetheless I apologise for my outburst, it was unnecessary and merely the product of a moment of excitement, and SNM happened to be where I heard the rumour from first.
edited my post for you see <3
On September 01 2013 13:51 BisuDagger wrote: Edit: posters showing decency....awesome
Now I can just ramble how kespa is gonna have 10 teams very soon. MVP to rename to ESTRO. IM to rename to WeMadeFox, and Prime to rename to Sparkyz.
On September 01 2013 14:11 smashlloyd20 wrote: Shoutouts to MVP coach on the last question for basically saying re: MVP disbanding: 'lol we're doing amazing keep dreaming'
However, it does look like their LoL team are in negotiations to turn into Samsung. It does place them in an awkward place, since having both teams (especially one has good as Ozone) means better chances for all of MVP to thrive,
They have two right? Maybe Samsung takes one (hopefully the none-ozone one) so they can be in LoL Proleague and MVP still keeps Ozone?
On September 01 2013 14:02 Sorathez wrote: I didn't exactly attack SNM, I merely stated he got it wrong, nonetheless I apologise for my outburst, it was unnecessary and merely the product of a moment of excitement, and SNM happened to be where I heard the rumour from first.
On September 01 2013 14:11 smashlloyd20 wrote: Shoutouts to MVP coach on the last question for basically saying re: MVP disbanding: 'lol we're doing amazing keep dreaming'
However, it does look like their LoL team are in negotiations to turn into Samsung. It does place them in an awkward place, since having both teams (especially one has good as Ozone) means better chances for all of MVP to thrive,
They have two right? Maybe Samsung takes one (hopefully the none-ozone one) so they can be in LoL Proleague and MVP still keeps Ozone?
On September 01 2013 14:02 Sorathez wrote: I didn't exactly attack SNM, I merely stated he got it wrong, nonetheless I apologise for my outburst, it was unnecessary and merely the product of a moment of excitement, and SNM happened to be where I heard the rumour from first.
ya, no worries. I think your comment was fine although to be clear, he didn't create, he merely translated(you already know that though lol).
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
On September 01 2013 13:53 Junho.C wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:44 Skamtet wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
SNM didnt say shit, he was merely translating rumours. learn the difference
By doing so, he spread the rumor in the foreign scenes. He knew that was going to happen, too. Simply "translating" my ass.
Seriously guys, lay off poor snm. The guy merely translated the rumours because he knew the foreign community would be interested in knowing what's going on during PL off season. Not his fault they were grabbed and paraded around as if they were 100% truth. Communities fault imo, not his especially when he mentioned in each one that it's a rumour!
Interviews didn't give much answers lol. I'm pretty sure they'll eventually join KeSPA.
He had no reason to translate unfounded rumors, especially rumors that put players and teams in awkard positions. It was very unprofessional of him and all he did was cause confusion and drama. He has connections to KeSPA and esports teams and his "rumors" are taken seriously, especially when he did not specifically say that the source of the rumors were unreliable.
He could translate whatever rumour he wants. It's his twitter account sheesh >< Idc if he has connections to KeSPA or the teams, people wanted to know about the KR scene, he translated and said it was a rumour then the community grabbed on to it like that. There is a reason its called a rumour and by definition, it means it might or might not be right! He doesn't even work for PL last time I checked(he left to continue education or something I believe) so you can't really say that he was unprofessional when he's not working for them.
It doesn't matter if it's his twitter account or not. He's connected to KeSPA and esports, so his rumors have credibility. You don't just go spread bunch of unfounded rumors that affect your formal employer negatively, that's unprofessional. He was stupid enough to spread the rumors and had to make formal apology to the Koreans on his twitter.
On September 01 2013 14:11 smashlloyd20 wrote: Shoutouts to MVP coach on the last question for basically saying re: MVP disbanding: 'lol we're doing amazing keep dreaming'
However, it does look like their LoL team are in negotiations to turn into Samsung. It does place them in an awkward place, since having both teams (especially one has good as Ozone) means better chances for all of MVP to thrive,
They have two right? Maybe Samsung takes one (hopefully the none-ozone one) so they can be in LoL Proleague and MVP still keeps Ozone?
why would Samsung take their worst team though?
Depends what team is up for sale and how much they want to spend.
On September 01 2013 14:11 smashlloyd20 wrote: Shoutouts to MVP coach on the last question for basically saying re: MVP disbanding: 'lol we're doing amazing keep dreaming'
However, it does look like their LoL team are in negotiations to turn into Samsung. It does place them in an awkward place, since having both teams (especially one has good as Ozone) means better chances for all of MVP to thrive,
They have two right? Maybe Samsung takes one (hopefully the none-ozone one) so they can be in LoL Proleague and MVP still keeps Ozone?
they used to have 3 but now it's just mvp blue and mvp ozone
I like how they act like there was a choice like: "we are checking our options between KeSPA and.. well, KeSPA. Everything is going perfectly with the negotiations with KeSPA, but we are seeing other options too, like joining mustache KeSPA".
So Kespa is basically doing a quid quo pro with the Teams:
Kespa fixes Teams' sponsor/financing problems, Teams more likely to join Kespa because Kespa can deliver to goods and ensure each Team's continued survival.
ofc they would deny and say nothing sets in stone yet because yeah, everything is in negotiation. But it doesnt take a philosophy to know the the three teams are joining KeSPA (thus refusing participation in GSTL)
On September 01 2013 13:41 astray71 wrote: Is this a good or bad thing? It seems the teams wanted to do this so I have to assume good things will come from it. Proleague perhaps? I'm surprised Startale isn't with them.
I wonder if StarTale regrets disbanding their LoL team awhile back now.
On September 01 2013 14:02 Sorathez wrote: I didn't exactly attack SNM, I merely stated he got it wrong, nonetheless I apologise for my outburst, it was unnecessary and merely the product of a moment of excitement, and SNM happened to be where I heard the rumour from first.
ya, no worries. I think your comment was fine although to be clear, he didn't create, he merely translated(you already know that though lol).
On September 01 2013 14:04 Junho.C wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:58 BigFan wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
On September 01 2013 13:53 Junho.C wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:44 Skamtet wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
SNM didnt say shit, he was merely translating rumours. learn the difference
By doing so, he spread the rumor in the foreign scenes. He knew that was going to happen, too. Simply "translating" my ass.
Seriously guys, lay off poor snm. The guy merely translated the rumours because he knew the foreign community would be interested in knowing what's going on during PL off season. Not his fault they were grabbed and paraded around as if they were 100% truth. Communities fault imo, not his especially when he mentioned in each one that it's a rumour!
Interviews didn't give much answers lol. I'm pretty sure they'll eventually join KeSPA.
He had no reason to translate unfounded rumors, especially rumors that put players and teams in awkard positions. It was very unprofessional of him and all he did was cause confusion and drama. He has connections to KeSPA and esports teams and his "rumors" are taken seriously, especially when he did not specifically say that the source of the rumors were unreliable.
He could translate whatever rumour he wants. It's his twitter account sheesh >< Idc if he has connections to KeSPA or the teams, people wanted to know about the KR scene, he translated and said it was a rumour then the community grabbed on to it like that. There is a reason its called a rumour and by definition, it means it might or might not be right! He doesn't even work for PL last time I checked(he left to continue education or something I believe) so you can't really say that he was unprofessional when he's not working for them.
It doesn't matter if it's his twitter account or not. He's connected to KeSPA and esports, so his rumors have credibility. You don't just go spread bunch of unfounded rumors that affect your formal employer negatively, that's unprofessional. He was stupid enough to spread the rumors and had to make formal apology to the Koreans on his twitter.
I disagree. While I understand your point, 'he used to work' is in past tense meaning doesn't anymore. Of course, that doesn't mean he doesn't have any relationship with KeSPA and the teams but we can't just assume that they would go ahead and tell him secret info just because of his past dealings with them.
My point is that even when he said it's a rumour and even tweeted that it's the case and he doesn't know if its true or not, the community(and seems like the KR community as well) took it at face value and figured that it has to be true. Heck, I even thought that maybe because of his past job with PL, that there may be a source for his rumours but even then, I knew they are rumours and until we got confirmation, nothing is set in stone. Point? I think the community is way too harsh on snm for merely translating rumours from the KR community. He already apologized to the Koreans etc... because maybe he felt he should've been more clear or just avoided the subject altogether because he didn't realize people will take it at face value and forget its a rumour.
On September 01 2013 13:41 astray71 wrote: Is this a good or bad thing? It seems the teams wanted to do this so I have to assume good things will come from it. Proleague perhaps? I'm surprised Startale isn't with them.
I wonder if StarTale regrets disbanding their LoL team awhile back now.
Maybe. 3/5 of StarTale are now a part of KT Bullets who just were finalists in yesterday's OGN's The Champions Summer.
On September 01 2013 13:41 astray71 wrote: Is this a good or bad thing? It seems the teams wanted to do this so I have to assume good things will come from it. Proleague perhaps? I'm surprised Startale isn't with them.
I wonder if StarTale regrets disbanding their LoL team awhile back now.
Well, their LoL team wasn't that good at the time they let them go, so I don't think it was a bad decision at the time, esp. if they were tight on money. Admittedly I don't follow the scene so I don't know how the players have shaped up since then.
On September 01 2013 14:02 Sorathez wrote: I didn't exactly attack SNM, I merely stated he got it wrong, nonetheless I apologise for my outburst, it was unnecessary and merely the product of a moment of excitement, and SNM happened to be where I heard the rumour from first.
ya, no worries. I think your comment was fine although to be clear, he didn't create, he merely translated(you already know that though lol).
On September 01 2013 14:04 Junho.C wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:58 BigFan wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
On September 01 2013 13:53 Junho.C wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:44 Skamtet wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
SNM didnt say shit, he was merely translating rumours. learn the difference
By doing so, he spread the rumor in the foreign scenes. He knew that was going to happen, too. Simply "translating" my ass.
Seriously guys, lay off poor snm. The guy merely translated the rumours because he knew the foreign community would be interested in knowing what's going on during PL off season. Not his fault they were grabbed and paraded around as if they were 100% truth. Communities fault imo, not his especially when he mentioned in each one that it's a rumour!
Interviews didn't give much answers lol. I'm pretty sure they'll eventually join KeSPA.
He had no reason to translate unfounded rumors, especially rumors that put players and teams in awkard positions. It was very unprofessional of him and all he did was cause confusion and drama. He has connections to KeSPA and esports teams and his "rumors" are taken seriously, especially when he did not specifically say that the source of the rumors were unreliable.
He could translate whatever rumour he wants. It's his twitter account sheesh >< Idc if he has connections to KeSPA or the teams, people wanted to know about the KR scene, he translated and said it was a rumour then the community grabbed on to it like that. There is a reason its called a rumour and by definition, it means it might or might not be right! He doesn't even work for PL last time I checked(he left to continue education or something I believe) so you can't really say that he was unprofessional when he's not working for them.
It doesn't matter if it's his twitter account or not. He's connected to KeSPA and esports, so his rumors have credibility. You don't just go spread bunch of unfounded rumors that affect your formal employer negatively, that's unprofessional. He was stupid enough to spread the rumors and had to make formal apology to the Koreans on his twitter.
I disagree. While I understand your point, 'he used to work' is in past tense meaning doesn't anymore. Of course, that doesn't mean he doesn't have any relationship with KeSPA and the teams but we can't just assume that they would go ahead and tell him secret info just because of his past dealings with them.
My point is that even when he said it's a rumour and even tweeted that it's the case and he doesn't know if its true or not, the community(and seems like the KR community as well) took it at face value and figured that it has to be true. Heck, I even thought that maybe because of his past job with PL, that there may be a source for his rumours but even then, I knew they are rumours and until we got confirmation, nothing is set in stone. Point? I think the community is way too harsh on snm for merely translating rumours from the KR community. He already apologized to the Koreans etc... because maybe he felt he should've been more clear or just avoided the subject altogether because he didn't realize people will take it at face value and forget its a rumour.
"he should've been more clear or just avoided the subject altogether because he didn't realize people will take it at face value and forget its a rumour."
You just summed up my point right there. He spread the rumors without giving it much thought and he should not have done so because people take him seriously due to his connections in esports and KeSPA.
On September 01 2013 13:41 astray71 wrote: Is this a good or bad thing? It seems the teams wanted to do this so I have to assume good things will come from it. Proleague perhaps? I'm surprised Startale isn't with them.
I wonder if StarTale regrets disbanding their LoL team awhile back now.
Well, their LoL team wasn't that good at the time they let them go, so I don't think it was a bad decision at the time, esp. if they were tight on money. Admittedly I don't follow the scene so I don't know how the players have shaped up since then.
3/5 made the finals of this season's Champions.
And the coach of the winning team was on Startale LoL as well.
no one on their right minds would believe them on leaving ESF for such a crappy reason... just another celebrity-like answers.... obviously leaving ESF is joining KESPA...
On September 01 2013 14:02 Sorathez wrote: I didn't exactly attack SNM, I merely stated he got it wrong, nonetheless I apologise for my outburst, it was unnecessary and merely the product of a moment of excitement, and SNM happened to be where I heard the rumour from first.
ya, no worries. I think your comment was fine although to be clear, he didn't create, he merely translated(you already know that though lol).
On September 01 2013 14:04 Junho.C wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:58 BigFan wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
On September 01 2013 13:53 Junho.C wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:44 Skamtet wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
SNM didnt say shit, he was merely translating rumours. learn the difference
By doing so, he spread the rumor in the foreign scenes. He knew that was going to happen, too. Simply "translating" my ass.
Seriously guys, lay off poor snm. The guy merely translated the rumours because he knew the foreign community would be interested in knowing what's going on during PL off season. Not his fault they were grabbed and paraded around as if they were 100% truth. Communities fault imo, not his especially when he mentioned in each one that it's a rumour!
Interviews didn't give much answers lol. I'm pretty sure they'll eventually join KeSPA.
He had no reason to translate unfounded rumors, especially rumors that put players and teams in awkard positions. It was very unprofessional of him and all he did was cause confusion and drama. He has connections to KeSPA and esports teams and his "rumors" are taken seriously, especially when he did not specifically say that the source of the rumors were unreliable.
He could translate whatever rumour he wants. It's his twitter account sheesh >< Idc if he has connections to KeSPA or the teams, people wanted to know about the KR scene, he translated and said it was a rumour then the community grabbed on to it like that. There is a reason its called a rumour and by definition, it means it might or might not be right! He doesn't even work for PL last time I checked(he left to continue education or something I believe) so you can't really say that he was unprofessional when he's not working for them.
It doesn't matter if it's his twitter account or not. He's connected to KeSPA and esports, so his rumors have credibility. You don't just go spread bunch of unfounded rumors that affect your formal employer negatively, that's unprofessional. He was stupid enough to spread the rumors and had to make formal apology to the Koreans on his twitter.
I disagree. While I understand your point, 'he used to work' is in past tense meaning doesn't anymore. Of course, that doesn't mean he doesn't have any relationship with KeSPA and the teams but we can't just assume that they would go ahead and tell him secret info just because of his past dealings with them.
My point is that even when he said it's a rumour and even tweeted that it's the case and he doesn't know if its true or not, the community(and seems like the KR community as well) took it at face value and figured that it has to be true. Heck, I even thought that maybe because of his past job with PL, that there may be a source for his rumours but even then, I knew they are rumours and until we got confirmation, nothing is set in stone. Point? I think the community is way too harsh on snm for merely translating rumours from the KR community. He already apologized to the Koreans etc... because maybe he felt he should've been more clear or just avoided the subject altogether because he didn't realize people will take it at face value and forget its a rumour.
"he should've been more clear or just avoided the subject altogether because he didn't realize people will take it at face value and forget its a rumour."
You just summed up my point right there. He spread the rumors without giving it much thought and he should not have done so because people take him seriously due to his connections in esports and KeSPA.
and you act as if people don't make mistakes >< Do you think he thought that the rumours will spread through the community like fire? Maybe he did this out of malice? no. It's possible that he had good intentions but it didn't go at all the way he expected it to.
Amazing, so many things changing in the world of SC2 but mostly outside the game. As long as the players get great tournaments and the fans get great games.
On September 01 2013 14:11 smashlloyd20 wrote: Shoutouts to MVP coach on the last question for basically saying re: MVP disbanding: 'lol we're doing amazing keep dreaming'
However, it does look like their LoL team are in negotiations to turn into Samsung. It does place them in an awkward place, since having both teams (especially one has good as Ozone) means better chances for all of MVP to thrive,
Is that really the case? MVP.LoL has a few sponsors that don't sponsor MVP.SC2, notably resulting in MVP.SC2 doing a fundraiser to travel to Germany for Acer TeamStory Cup.
Having a good LoL team is probably helpful for MVP to go full KeSPA.
This said so little, no reason at all to not play in GSTL if pro league won't start until its finished unless there is more going on with Kespa (incredibly likely). Less money/exposure/motivation for your team, a lot players stuck in code A/B have almost nothing to do until next years WCS now :/
Sigh, these don't really tell us anything. Diplomatic answers as expected. I guess we can only hope for the best, I don't follow LoL at all and have no clue about what's going on there but from what I can tell it seems like LoL is a major reason for a lot of this.
Teams redirecting funding into LoL teams, leaving eSF to join KeSPA for LoL proleague... IMO I've always wanted/wished LG-IM would join KeSPA as a sponsored team but issues with LG then all this =S
When the dust clears I hope SC2 comes out stronger.
On September 01 2013 13:41 astray71 wrote: Is this a good or bad thing? It seems the teams wanted to do this so I have to assume good things will come from it. Proleague perhaps? I'm surprised Startale isn't with them.
I wonder if StarTale regrets disbanding their LoL team awhile back now.
Well, their LoL team wasn't that good at the time they let them go, so I don't think it was a bad decision at the time, esp. if they were tight on money. Admittedly I don't follow the scene so I don't know how the players have shaped up since then.
3/5 made the finals of this season's Champions.
And the coach of the winning team was on Startale LoL as well.
How does Startale manage to groom the best everything?
Somewhat curious as to which LoL team MVP is negotiating sales for with Samsung Khan. I don't see why MVP would sell Ozone if they plan to continue on as a team since it's by far their greatest asset, but I see no reason Khan would want MVP Blue (not that they are completely awful, but they are fairly average and Khan would probably have better luck trying to groom their own team).
It's a tough situation for MVP I guess. Ozone is my favorite LoL team and I always appreciate the team that fosters the right environment for players to excel which clearly MVP has done here ; I would be sad to see them swap to Khan and see MVP crumble afterwards.
This is all getting crazy. Especially with the LoL stuff thrown in. Best to not read too much of this until its finalized. What could all of this mean for the scene though?
On September 01 2013 13:39 Sorathez wrote: Looks like SNM got that one wrong! MVP isn't disbanding!
He actually said that they weren't disbanding... However, he did say that there was a rumor they were going to disband. Two different things. He was correct.
On September 01 2013 15:51 Pantagruel wrote: Somewhat curious as to which LoL team MVP is negotiating sales for with Samsung Khan. I don't see why MVP would sell Ozone if they plan to continue on as a team since it's by far their greatest asset, but I see no reason Khan would want MVP Blue (not that they are completely awful, but they are fairly average and Khan would probably have better luck trying to groom their own team).
It's a tough situation for MVP I guess. Ozone is my favorite LoL team and I always appreciate the team that fosters the right environment for players to excel which clearly MVP has done here ; I would be sad to see them swap to Khan and see MVP crumble afterwards.
Im assuming both teams are negotiating with MVP Ozone because ozone's contract is running out soon. (GUESSING.) If that's the case you can be sure as hell MVP Ozone is gonna be Samsung Khans, you can't outbid Samsung if they're serious (especially if you aren't a premiere sponsor like SKT,KT,Samsung, etc...) If not than i guess MVP is gonna transfer MVP Blue to Samsung, and then (Samsung) will restructure the team as they see fit.
Man, this interview is the epitome of Korean culture, hiding negative things until the end or being unable to own up to any faults. It's like when you're applying for a job in Korea and ask about salary, and they keep saying, "we'll talk about it later," until you sign up with them.
On September 01 2013 15:54 Havik_ wrote: This is all getting crazy. Especially with the LoL stuff thrown in. Best to not read too much of this until its finalized. What could all of this mean for the scene though?
In the end it just means that teams are getting their priorities straight and relocate their resources to where it makes sense (LoL). This isn't that bad for sc2, it just means sc2 (in korea) isn't growing that fast, but it's also getting more stable. The scene in korea was oversaturated after KeSPA switched to sc2 and it was just a matter of time until a bunch of people retired/teams were downsized. It's not the biggest e-sports but still huge on a global scale and will surely stick around until sc3/wc4 is released. I think, we as fans have nothing to worry about.
On September 01 2013 15:51 Pantagruel wrote: Somewhat curious as to which LoL team MVP is negotiating sales for with Samsung Khan. I don't see why MVP would sell Ozone if they plan to continue on as a team since it's by far their greatest asset, but I see no reason Khan would want MVP Blue (not that they are completely awful, but they are fairly average and Khan would probably have better luck trying to groom their own team).
It's a tough situation for MVP I guess. Ozone is my favorite LoL team and I always appreciate the team that fosters the right environment for players to excel which clearly MVP has done here ; I would be sad to see them swap to Khan and see MVP crumble afterwards.
Im assuming both teams are negotiating with MVP Ozone because ozone's contract is running out soon. (GUESSING.) If that's the case you can be sure as hell MVP Ozone is gonna be Samsung Khans, you can't outbid Samsung if they're serious (especially if you aren't a premiere sponsor like SKT,KT,Samsung, etc...) If not than i guess MVP is gonna transfer MVP Blue to Samsung, and then (Samsung) will restructure the team as they see fit.
Yes, I agree with you here, Ozone makes the most sense for a transfer here, and indeed, Khan has far more financial power. I didn't realize their contract was about to end however ; that pretty much settles the matter. Thats very bad news for MVP however because a premier LoL team could have been their ticket to financial stability in the future.
A team has financial issues, and needs to get them sorted out. They need to find sponsors. So they stop participating in an event which shows that you can get eyeballs to watch your team play, and show sponsors that your team can draw attention to their product.
I would appreciate it if people didn't spread rumors without being absolutely sure.
I would appreciate actual informational content and statements that are absolutely correct from people that should know better. This information management stuff is part of why foreign audiences rely on rumours - more often than not, they're closer to the truth than you will ever say. (Unless they're totally, 100% Bogus.)
On September 01 2013 16:57 felisconcolori wrote: Okay, so let me get this straight.
A team has financial issues, and needs to get them sorted out. They need to find sponsors. So they stop participating in an event which shows that you can get eyeballs to watch your team play, and show sponsors that your team can draw attention to their product.
I think the official reasoning is that they left ESF to allow for more financial options (since ESF didn't allow player salaries, and I guess this affects the kind of sponsorship they can receive.) And then because of this transition period, they did not feel like committing themselves to an entire league season before this situation is resolved.
GOMTV and ESF are separate entities.
Of course there are the political implications of freeing themselves from the ESF, and associated GSTL, possibly involved with their option to join Kespa.
There's no truth to the SC2 team disbanding. We took first place in the regular season of the previous GSTL season, second place in the final rankings, and Duckdeok won the championship at WCS Europe Season 2. Seven of our players (5 in Korea, 2 in Europe) are in the Premier League. I don't know how such a rumor gets out in such a great situation. I would appreciate it if people didn't spread rumors without being absolutely sure.
Dude... How is that an argument ? :D
STX Soul won the damn Proleague, having one of the best player in the world who took last WCS KR, and look what happened...
How did the team's financial difficulties factor in?
Park: As it is well known, eSF teams cannot give salaries to players and are in difficult situations financially, unlike the KeSPA teams. Our team, too, was difficultly run up to this point, and sponsorships are the most urgent issue. If KeSPA can help us in this regard, then we could think positively about joining KeSPA.
Why are esf teams not allowed to pay salaries? Or did I misunderstood something...
How did the team's financial difficulties factor in?
Park: As it is well known, eSF teams cannot give salaries to players and are in difficult situations financially, unlike the KeSPA teams. Our team, too, was difficultly run up to this point, and sponsorships are the most urgent issue. If KeSPA can help us in this regard, then we could think positively about joining KeSPA.
Why are esf teams not allowed to pay salaries? Or did I misunderstood something...
They are allowed to of course, but they can't. They don't have the money. All they can provide for the players is housing and food. Often they even have to take a part of the winnings from the players, that's how they run. I think there are exceptions. Like the startale aces maybe.
I'm really curious how things will look when the dust settles. Hopefully a big proleague, and a strong GSL. Are these things connected to the changes is esports policy by the government and kespa?
I agree with Waxangel. Obviously they didn't just leave on a whim, they have some idea about where they want to go and what they want to do. Who are we to demand that they tell us everything before there is even anything official or rumored yet. When they are ready they will release their plans, though in classic fashion I'm sure that we will have a 'rumor' before hand anyways. As long as they aren't disbanding they can keep their silence until signing day of whatever they are planning in my book.
On September 01 2013 19:00 1415Imperator wrote: I agree with Waxangel. Obviously they didn't just leave on a whim, they have some idea about where they want to go and what they want to do.
Given how management issues have been handled in the past, I wouldn't put it beneath them, honestly.
Take IM. Their reaction to LG not confirming a renewal was basically "we'll just pretend to be still sponsored and then try to force them to sponsor us again".
It feels a bit strange seeing IM in economical trouble. For so long I, and many with me I would assume, regarded IM as the "richest" team amongst esf and a team that was very healthy in terms of sponors etc. I guess as someone with little insight into how things work in e-sport teams its easy to read to much in to "sponsored by ___". I hope everything works out for them.
And today on how to say nothing with plenty of words. Might as well not interview them at all ( no offense to the interviewer, but what answers did you expect to get?).
Park: As it is well known, eSF teams cannot give salaries to players and are in difficult situations financially, unlike the KeSPA teams. Our team, too, was difficultly run up to this point, and sponsorships are the most urgent issue. If KeSPA can help us in this regard, then we could think positively about joining KeSPA.
This is the only reasonably informative answer. :-S RIP in peace eSF.
On September 01 2013 19:00 1415Imperator wrote: I agree with Waxangel. Obviously they didn't just leave on a whim, they have some idea about where they want to go and what they want to do.
Given how management issues have been handled in the past, I wouldn't put it beneath them, honestly.
Take IM. Their reaction to LG not confirming a renewal was basically "we'll just pretend to be still sponsored and then try to force them to sponsor us again".
It would have been possible to play in the GSTL without being a part of the eSF like in the case of Axiom-Acer. Why have you decided not to participate?
Park: As I mentioned before, it's a time where we need a change, and we decided it would be difficult to participate in the GSTL right now. Revamping the team is the first priority, and we decided it would be the right decision to participate in leagues after we find stability.
Choi: As mentioned before, it's so we can have a time for change. There is no other reason.
I can't get over how ridiculously stupid this sounds
" So you left eSF and the GSTL, can you tell us why? "
" We thought it was time for a change, a change to not playing the game and not making any money. We're also totally not joining Kespa. "
You're right my friend, but that's what the Corporate culture is about..
For example - I now have to give some answers similar to that one myself while going for the next job interview..
Trolol, Coach Choi not understanding how foreign fans work. Of course Reddit/TL latched onto MVP SC2 disbanding. Why not? The whole "validity/actual fact" notion has been discarded from here a long time ago.
Dota2 is going to have a lot of chaos to create if it wants to regain it's place as "Most Chaotic ESPORT After The International." I haven't watched SC2 in months (got busy/MLG pissed me off enough to boycott anything they touch/I can't bear to watch the NA scene die because Blizzard basically said "Lol, get better), but I'm going to have to watch the next GSTL to see how they handle losing Prime, MVP, and IM.
Hmm, I guess the reason they don't participate is partially due to restructuring teams, and perhaps changing the rosters. :o Makes sense to not take part in a teamleague when you ponder possibly kicking players, need to renegotiatiate contracts, and so forth. I don't know what the future will hold, but I assume we might see any of these teams in future GSTL tournaments once they are done with their internal rework.
On September 01 2013 14:12 BigFan wrote: He doesn't even work for PL last time I checked(he left to continue education or something I believe) so you can't really say that he was unprofessional when he's not working for them.
It was unprofessional though.. for a profession he's not having
It would have been possible to play in the GSTL without being a part of the eSF like in the case of Axiom-Acer. Why have you decided not to participate?
Park: As I mentioned before, it's a time where we need a change, and we decided it would be difficult to participate in the GSTL right now. Revamping the team is the first priority, and we decided it would be the right decision to participate in leagues after we find stability.
Choi: As mentioned before, it's so we can have a time for change. There is no other reason
Wow, what useless answers. It's almost like Obama talking about change.
The first sign was the shrinking of the Prime Zzang store down to only one offering. Then came the rest.
It's as if I can hear the voice of a thousand nerds crying out, "MKP Noooooooo!"
So basically it's pretty much like the last few times I watched MKP play in a tournament. I still don't know how you can leave an organization, skip out on your best way to prove to sponsors that your players will provide a good return on their investment, and then say that you're doing it so you can restructure and seek sponsors. What kind of income will Prime have now? With so few players in the spotlight, outside of Maru, how can you prove that a sponsorship will be beneficial?
Tin-foil hat time - Prime is hoping that if they join Kespa, Kespa can work some Team 8 magic on them. Even though Soul looks like a potential future Team 8 candidate.
TL; dr - Gerard! MKP! Whyyyyyyyyy? All the Prime fanboy tears.
This is kind of funny, since I was debating myself over getting FXO out of esf for a good 6 months before I retired, there is simply nothing to gain from being in esf at all.
On September 02 2013 08:29 FXOUnstable wrote: This is kind of funny, since I was debating myself over getting FXO out of esf for a good 6 months before I retired, there is simply nothing to gain from being in esf at all.
Kang: We did not leave eSF in order to join KeSPA.
I bet they join KeSPA.
Eventually.
But more importantly, I hope their decisions to leave eSF really do help out the teams, the players, and the scene in the long run. I'm sure the coaches are doing what they think is best... hopefully they end up being right!
On September 02 2013 08:29 FXOUnstable wrote: This is kind of funny, since I was debating myself over getting FXO out of esf for a good 6 months before I retired, there is simply nothing to gain from being in esf at all.
So you're saying it would be better to be in neither eSF or Kespa than be in eSF? There are no benefits?
It think MVP isn't dissolving, but being absorbed into Samsung. Why wouldn't you? MVP is a good team, has a great track record and is coming out of a "slump" as a team. It's like buying stock in a good company that's bottomed out and is on the rise again...
On September 02 2013 10:45 ke_ivan wrote: It think MVP isn't dissolving, but being absorbed into Samsung. Why wouldn't you? MVP is a good team, has a great track record and is coming out of a "slump" as a team. It's like buying stock in a good company that's bottomed out and is on the rise again...
I'd hope and think a team of MVP's caliber and size wouldn't need to be absorbed. Prime I can understand, they've relied on 4 elite players for a very long time now.
MVP in both sc2 and LoL (from what I understand) is a very top-tier team that is also quite large. They, like IM, should look for sponsors and become a Kespa team.
summary=MVP IM Prime to join Kepsa sc2 and lol proleague most likely, MVP not disbanding. GOM going to shit. feel sorry for GOM, and very poor explanation why no GSTL participation, its obvious kespa orders, at the same time somewhat of assurance all their sc2 teams will play in Proleague. makes no sense otherwise. I think the interwiev is good, they say alot while not actually saying anything spesific at all, just pointing the finger at the moon, no surprise many just focus on the finger and miss the glorious splendor of the moon.
It would have been possible to play in the GSTL without being a part of the eSF like in the case of Axiom-Acer. Why have you decided not to participate?
Park: As I mentioned before, it's a time where we need a change, and we decided it would be difficult to participate in the GSTL right now. Revamping the team is the first priority, and we decided it would be the right decision to participate in leagues after we find stability.
Choi: As mentioned before, it's so we can have a time for change. There is no other reason.
I can't get over how ridiculously stupid this sounds
" So you left eSF and the GSTL, can you tell us why? "
" We thought it was time for a change, a change to not playing the game and not making any money. We're also totally not joining Kespa. "
Exactly my thoughts, these blank statements make me infer that some of the rumors are probably true.
give me back my true korean pro gaming yo i hope lol numbers in korea will shell the whole scene while they negate all the deconstruction that happened since WCS began
Cmon guys they didnt leave eSF for Kespa, they just left for the sake of leaving. Because that somehow solves everything.
What's so bad about joining Kespa that they have to feign ignorance? Your teams are going kaputz if you don't join the Governmant-backed Kespa, we understand, just spit it out.
So this is your "apocalypse"... So weak. I'm really disappointed. Now when KeSPA is 10 teams, Proleague will be awesome. About GSTL... It was never that big anyways. GOM ran it like some kind of promotional tournament for the most of the time.
On September 03 2013 00:52 Pr0wler wrote: So this is your "apocalypse"... So weak. I'm really disappointed. Now when KeSPA is 10 teams, Proleague will be awesome. About GSTL... It was never that big anyways. GOM ran it like some kind of promotional tournament for the most of the time.
GSTL was awesome till the point there was competition. People suddenly forgot how some players like DRG, MMA and Life were monsters in GSTL before they even got into code A? Or how about the rise of completely new teams? Mvp came out of nowhere, Slayers won twice in a row before most of the players were known. Not to mention some awesome ceremonies and antics came from there. MC being badass, bomb manner muling and proceeding to lose and much much more.
However, once proleague came in it suddenly stole the spotlight with nothing else then reputation(both from the tournament and the players). And now suddenly everyone is talking about like GSTL was never great, bah.
On September 03 2013 00:52 Pr0wler wrote: So this is your "apocalypse"... So weak. I'm really disappointed. Now when KeSPA is 10 teams, Proleague will be awesome. About GSTL... It was never that big anyways. GOM ran it like some kind of promotional tournament for the most of the time.
Yeah, this apocalypse thing is pretty weak, actually not much changed. Not one team disbanded, and still a lot of teams are struggling in the financial end. Before this weekend, I really wanted to see at least couple teams to disband, so we can start to solve things. Now, Korean scene is still a mess, without clear direction. We are still waiting for a real solution or real apocalypse, probably later one though.
GSTL is crap compared to proleague, now that the two best esf teams left to play in proleague it only makes it stronger. Don't know why they even decided to run another gstl season with 5 teams. Theres 0 prestige left in gstl, just run code s and be done with it.
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