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WCS S2 Finals: MC, The $400,000 Man (Group A Preview)

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WCS S2 Finals: MC, The $400,000 Man (Group A Preview)

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August 20th, 2013 23:45 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS Season II Finals



Countdown to Start



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The $400,000 Man

SK_MC at the WCS Season 2 Finals

by Waxangel

(P)SK_MC has been called a president and a boss, but there's a comparison that I find more and more apt as his career goes on: A zombie. A zombie with an appetite for dollars instead of brains.

The first time we tried to bury MC was after Gamescom 2011. The former GSL champion had gone to IEM Cologne in search of a reprieve after getting knocked down to Code A, but was instead crushed 3 – 0 in the finals by PuMa – the only Korean he faced in the tournament. The coroner's report left no doubt about the cause of death: "Blunt trauma from 1/1/1, caused by playing a pitiful race for too long."

It didn't even take a month for MC to rise up from his grave, lurch his way to MLG Orlando, and defeat the Terran trio of MarineKing, TheStC, and PuMa on his way to devouring another $3,000 of prize money in a second place finish.

A year later, toward the end of WoL, it seemed that brood lord-infestor would be the headshot that finally felled MC for good, as he dropped back down to Code A and suffered a series of embarrassingly quick eliminations in international tournaments (MLG: Ro32, IPL: Ro32, IEM: Ro8, HomeStory: Ro16, NASL: Ro16). But the arrival of HotS seemed to breath life back into his limbs, and he used innovative oracle play to win a cool $6,000 with a fourth place finish at the inaugural HotS MLG.

The early HotS boost didn't last long, and MC was back out of Code S almost as soon as he re-qualified, and he decided to switch regions to Europe. It was a struggle for MC to make it into the WCS Europe Premier League at all, dropping series to Noname and Grubby before finally grasping hold of a last chance ticket. In the Premier League, MC struggled to make it through the Ro32 and Ro16, suffering defeat at the hands of Stephano and VortiX along the way. When MC was then eliminated from an all-foreigner group at ASUS ROG Summer, it was as if we were seeing him literally decomposing before our eyes.

And yet, as decrepit as he was all summer, MC dragged himself through the playoffs, beating Welmu, beating MMA, and finally slugging it out with the ascendant duckdeok in a seven-game grand finals. Though MC fell short after a failed all-in in game seven, it was still $12,000 more in the bank, and an open reminder that prize money is never, ever safe from his grasp.

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MC is still annoyed by the other $8,000 he left on the table.
Photo: ESL

MC has never been shy about his goals and aspirations in pro-gaming: to make lots of money. Has any other player ever told his team to hurry up and find more sponsors so they could pay him more next contract?

Yet, there a new twist here. MC's career up to now has seemed to be more of a "money for money's sake" type of pursuit, he seems to have another kind of goal in mind as he heads into Gamescom for the Season Finals.

my earnings now $382,288 i will get $17712 more in this WCS SEASON FINAL so i must get 1st or 2nd and then $400000

— 장민철 (@sk__mc) August 20, 2013


$400,000 is a nice round number to aim for. But more than just hitting an arbitrary goal, a top two finish would be meaningful in sending MC $25,000 clear of the second place career earner in (T)Mvp (check sc2earnings.com for full standings). That's margin is more than Mvp could cover in one single tournament, minus the exceptional case of Blizzcon and its $100,000 first place prize.

It's important because money is MC's legacy. The all-time greats of StarCraft II all have an achievement they can claim is unique to them. FruitDealer will always be known as the first GSL champion, Mvp has his unmatchable four GSL titles, and Stephano is the greatest non-Korean of all time. MC? No doubt he will be remembered for his piercing all-ins and how he whole-heartedly embraced being an entertainer, but his relentless pursuit of wealth is what sets him apart from all others. For now, MC can say he won the most money, but much like Stephano's title, his record can still be challenged. Mvp could easily take the prize winnings crown back, becoming not only the best player ever, but the wealthiest as well.

Mvp stumbled in the Ro16 of WCS Europe, and now it's MC's chance solidify his lead by extracting more money from Blizzard. Close friends they might be, but MC can't just let Mvp have everything. It's time to put that prize money – and the title of first player to reach $400,000 in prize winnings – in the bank.

WCS Season II Finals: Ro16 Group A Preview

kr MC, kr Jaedong, kr Rain, fi Welmu

Group A of the WCS Season Finals is most notable as a nightmare for (Z)EG.Jaedong. Despite having made significant progress in the ZvP match-up, Jaedong still needs to improve considerably if he wants to hold his ground against the best the world have to offer. With even (P)NrS.Welmu – the weakest player of the group – presenting a significant threat, Jaedong has his work cut out for him as he plays the OSL runner-up (P)SKT_Rain in his first match. Thus, barring an incredible ZvP epiphany achieved through several 15 hour training sessions and hallucinations caused by consuming copious amounts of Monster™, we have to consign Jaedong to his death in this group.

That leaves us with a three-way battle between (P)NrS.Welmu, (P)SKT_Rain, and (P)SK_MC to grab the two tickets into the quarter-final round. While PvP has made leaps and bounds in HotS toward discarding its old reputation as volatile match-up, regular Proleague viewers will also tell you that the good ol' coin flip is just one dark shrine away. Perhaps the threat of instant death isn't omnipresent as it was before, but this is still the match-up where we expect the most upsets and unpredictable results.

That bodes well for the lone foreigner (P)Welmu, who has a surprisingly decent chance of making it through a group of three Koreans. He may not have been able to back up his confidence in PvP when he faced MC back in WCS Europe, but he's had time to hunker down and delve even deeper into his best match-up. His 2 - 1 win over Duckdeok in the WCS Europe Ro16 shows us he's more than capable of beating championship caliber Koreans in PvP, and a PvZ against Jaedong should also be palatable.

(P)MC is in a similar boat as Welmu. While he knows the dangers of PvP very well, he should still feel alright about his chances of beating either Rain or Welmu. Also, the PvJaedong would be a welcome proposition should it happen.

It might actually be (P)SKT_Rain, the favorite of the group, who is least happy with the draw. Despite showing great all around play to reach the Auction OSL Finals, the PvP's have to scare him. Not only has he lost to foreigners before in PvP (vs. BabyKnight @ WCS 2012), but it's clearly his weakest match-up at the moment. He never managed to break out of a long PvP slump in Proleague, which contributed hugely to his SKT's elimination from the playoffs as he lost to STX's Dear and Trap in back to back series. With his latest result being a 0 - 2 loss against PartinG in WCG Korea, you have to question his confidence heading in. But, at the end of the day, he IS the OSL champion, and he IS the ace of one of the best KeSPA teams. With the potential promise of a rematch against Maru waiting in the elimination rounds of the tournament, it would be a shame if Rain went out so early.

Predictions

MC > Welmu
Rain > Jaedong
MC > Rain
Welmu > Jaedong
Rain > Welmu

MC and Rain advance.


More WCS Season Finals Articles

Day 3 Recap: I Fought the Law
Day 2 Recap: From 12 to 4
Day 1 Recap: Not the Koreans you're looking for

Group A Preview: MC, the $400,000 Man
Group B Preview: Polt, Not all Ironic
Group C Preview: INnoVation and the insane, nonsensical group prediction[/b]
Group D Preview: Maru, the Prince on the Summit


Writers: Waxangel
Banner & front page photo: ESL
Editor: Waxangel.
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CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
August 20 2013 23:47 GMT
#2
haha.. this is going to be epic.. not sure who to root for though! European times, so, hopefully I will be able to catch some games!

^_^
~ The Ultimate Weapon
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
August 20 2013 23:48 GMT
#3
i wonder if he will swim through his winnings like scrooge mcduck.
H0i
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands484 Posts
August 20 2013 23:49 GMT
#4
Welmu and Jaedong are definitely underdogs, but that doesn't mean they can't make it out. This will be an interesting group.
Echo Six
Profile Joined April 2013
United States30 Posts
August 20 2013 23:54 GMT
#5
Good Preview, but Jaedong's PvZ has most certainly been improving and this group is a chance for him to show it. I think he will be able to get out of the group.
matthy
Profile Joined January 2013
66 Posts
August 20 2013 23:57 GMT
#6
BossToss all the way!!
coolman123123
Profile Joined August 2013
146 Posts
August 20 2013 23:59 GMT
#7
Welmu over Jaedong? JD has beaten several Protoss players that are a lot better than Welmu. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me to see him go 0-2 in the group.
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
August 21 2013 00:00 GMT
#8
I'd be happy for MC but go Rain!
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 21 2013 00:00 GMT
#9
It's interesting that MC has earned more than MVP to me. I don't think anyone would say MC has had a better career. Still a boss tho! Gogo MC/Jaedong!
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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
August 21 2013 00:02 GMT
#10
This is a hard one but I'm gonna have to go Rain + Jaedong but I could easily see Rain + MC.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
August 21 2013 00:02 GMT
#11
On August 21 2013 09:00 Darkhoarse wrote:
It's interesting that MC has earned more than MVP to me. I don't think anyone would say MC has had a better career. Still a boss tho! Gogo MC/Jaedong!

More foreign tournaments plundered
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braller
Profile Joined January 2013
96 Posts
August 21 2013 00:04 GMT
#12
"But, at the end of the day, he IS the OSL champion"

Was? (I know what was meant, but this sentence still sounded funny)

As for MC's lack of a defining attribute aside from money making, having two out of the total three Protoss GSL championships is pretty darn good.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 00:05:32
August 21 2013 00:04 GMT
#13
On August 21 2013 09:00 Darkhoarse wrote:
It's interesting that MC has earned more than MVP to me. I don't think anyone would say MC has had a better career. Still a boss tho! Gogo MC/Jaedong!

MC has went to a lot more foreign tournaments so it's reasonable that he has more.
Also thanks for the preview!
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 21 2013 00:05 GMT
#14
as long as welmu doesnt win, and rain does, were good
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malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
August 21 2013 00:06 GMT
#15
pretty sure the dong will destroy welmu

but he has let me down in the past >_<
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 21 2013 00:10 GMT
#16
I was curious exactly how many more tournaments MC has played in than Mvp, it kind of shocked me.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MC/Results

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mvp_(player)/Results

If you look from October 2011 to present, in Mvp's list there are 25 tournaments. In MC's list there are 41.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
August 21 2013 00:11 GMT
#17
dam he looks chubbier
LiLSighKoh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States588 Posts
August 21 2013 00:17 GMT
#18
Rain WAS the OSL champion.
Maru IS the OSL champion.
Idk if what the writers said towards the end is right, but I may not understand anything at all.
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Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
August 21 2013 00:17 GMT
#19
My brain says no but my heart says Jaedong.

What a glorious, glorious turn of events that would be, if he simply crushed the group with a totally reinvigorated zvp.
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
August 21 2013 00:19 GMT
#20
3 days to go, so exiteeeeeeed!

On August 21 2013 09:11 Leeoku wrote:
dam he looks chubbier


All that money this zombie eats has to go somewhere.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 21 2013 00:21 GMT
#21
hmm I'm kind of surprised by this one. I mean initially I lol'd at poor JD too, but really thinking about it, he has a good shot at getting out.

Rain is going to murder him ofc, but MC and Welmu? JD might actually be favored over those two, or at least 50/50 with MC (MC won the last encounter but it was close).

Also, MC over Rain? Rain has been struggling in PvP, but that's against scarier competition to what MC's been up against lately.

That being said, I hope MC and JD make it

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TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
August 21 2013 00:21 GMT
#22
jaedong will win everything
Forever ZeNEX.
Seiju
Profile Joined July 2013
Hong Kong23 Posts
August 21 2013 00:25 GMT
#23
Hard to imagine Rain going out so early indeed, but that might also be his Achilles' heel. Never comfortable to be in this position. Skillwise he should make it through though.
For Welmu it's quite the opposite, he has nothing to lose but the event might be a little oversized for him atm. Hope he learns, we need more ambitious foreigners around.

Otherwise however, I find this group kinda difficult to predict. Especially I wouldn't give MC too much edge against Jaedong, who's had more than ever all the reasons in the world to work on his JvP. All of this should be quite entertaining.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 21 2013 00:27 GMT
#24
Jaedong fighting! I really hope he can overcome his mental matchup block and advance.
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jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
August 21 2013 00:29 GMT
#25
MC is still awesome, congrats to him and his success.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
August 21 2013 00:31 GMT
#26
come on welmu u got dis
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DRTnOOber
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
New Zealand476 Posts
August 21 2013 00:36 GMT
#27
You said Rain is the OSL champion... but Maru is. Rain is "an" OSL champion.
But I'm off creep... and so I slow down, what are hellions doing here? I don't belong here...
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
August 21 2013 00:37 GMT
#28
On August 21 2013 09:10 Dodgin wrote:
I was curious exactly how many more tournaments MC has played in than Mvp, it kind of shocked me.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MC/Results

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mvp_(player)/Results

If you look from October 2011 to present, in Mvp's list there are 25 tournaments. In MC's list there are 41.

Holy shit, wow. That's a huge difference, I didn't realize it was so big.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 21 2013 00:51 GMT
#29
I feel the Rain coming...
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rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
August 21 2013 00:52 GMT
#30
Once a Boss, always a Boss, go go MC!
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 21 2013 00:56 GMT
#31
On August 21 2013 09:37 Gorlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 09:10 Dodgin wrote:
I was curious exactly how many more tournaments MC has played in than Mvp, it kind of shocked me.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MC/Results

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mvp_(player)/Results

If you look from October 2011 to present, in Mvp's list there are 25 tournaments. In MC's list there are 41.

Holy shit, wow. That's a huge difference, I didn't realize it was so big.


Also, take into account that MC won a GSL Open Season when the prize money amount was much greater than a regular season. If MC and Mvp's first GSL championships were switched, Mvp would be sitting at #1 right now.
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khy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States475 Posts
August 21 2013 01:08 GMT
#32
no ee han timing for jaedong this time.
rEdEEmEd
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada68 Posts
August 21 2013 01:15 GMT
#33
I don't understand why it's so important to break a money level.

What's the difference between 400k 500k 600k and 900k? You just can't say when it will be enough.

Go MC still and JDDD!
The tyrant will go through this and leave 3 protoss brawl.
And, well….he’s Jaedong. And because he’s Jaedong, he is probably pretty damn sick of 2nd places. And because he’s Jaedong, and he’s sick of 2nd places, he might just hit SSJ (Super Sayain Jaedong) level 2 and kill everybody. -Artosis
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 21 2013 01:30 GMT
#34
Still praying that Jaedong makes it through.
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BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
August 21 2013 01:36 GMT
#35
MC over Rain......thats a pretty bold prediction
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
August 21 2013 01:40 GMT
#36
This is kind of an interesting group in that no player looks particularly strong. Welmu is a foreigner, MC hasn't shown dominating play in quite awhile, Jaedong has to deal with the famed JvP, and Rain, although definitely deserving of his #2 power rank spot, hasn't had strong results in PvP lately.
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
August 21 2013 01:43 GMT
#37
Rain first
Jaedong second
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iGn1t3
Profile Joined May 2011
Hong Kong73 Posts
August 21 2013 01:50 GMT
#38
Release the Dong!
I lose today to win tomorrow.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 21 2013 01:50 GMT
#39
On August 21 2013 10:15 rEdEEmEd wrote:
I don't understand why it's so important to break a money level.

What's the difference between 400k 500k 600k and 900k? You just can't say when it will be enough.

Go MC still and JDDD!
The tyrant will go through this and leave 3 protoss brawl.

Just an arbituary milestone, no significance really
Refer to my post.
ccishaman
Profile Joined May 2013
Greece6 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 01:54:57
August 21 2013 01:53 GMT
#40
MC>Rain? hahaha good one
Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
August 21 2013 02:01 GMT
#41
Man Jaedongs group all protoss. gonna be rough
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never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
August 21 2013 02:36 GMT
#42
WTH Jaedong not being a favourite, this is wrong in so many levels....
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 21 2013 02:36 GMT
#43
Sad for Jaedong! His worst matchup against 3 protoss, 2 which are quite dangerous and 1 that can be unpredictable :/ Either way, Jaedong fighting! Hopefully Rain advances as well!
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AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
August 21 2013 02:53 GMT
#44
THis is going to be a shiznizzlebangclangclingking group!!~...I agree with their predictions...please please please please please please plaeasep leasep leasdpaelapl sdaple apls MC and RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zumpy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
August 21 2013 03:00 GMT
#45
MC BossToss to take it all!!
well won
Aeleron
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia71 Posts
August 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#46
If Jaedong places high enough he could also break 400k in earnings according to http://www.esportsearnings.com/players
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
August 21 2013 03:03 GMT
#47
Wax keepin it real with the predictions.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 21 2013 03:08 GMT
#48
On August 21 2013 11:36 never_Nal wrote:
WTH Jaedong not being a favourite, this is wrong in so many levels....


In a group of three protosses? -.^ All jokes aside Jaedong is starting to play better so let's see.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 21 2013 03:12 GMT
#49
How is this not in the calendar yet T_T
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Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
August 21 2013 03:25 GMT
#50
Welmu isn't going to win a single match guaranteed.
There shouldn't be any foreigners in the Finals anyways, they are all walkovers in their groups except for Scarlett.
Even Scarlett is a free match if she manages to get out of the group stages (aka beat MMA).

Rain is going to embarrass all of them and Jaedong is going to make it out second.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 21 2013 03:27 GMT
#51
On August 21 2013 12:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Welmu isn't going to win a single match guaranteed.
There shouldn't be any foreigners in the Finals anyways, they are all walkovers in their groups except for Scarlett.
Even Scarlett is a free match if she manages to get out of the group stages (aka beat MMA).

Rain is going to embarrass all of them and Jaedong is going to make it out second.

Inb4 Welmu and MC advance from group A
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wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
August 21 2013 03:31 GMT
#52
I strongly, strongly disagree with MC beating Rain. I think he is capable of beating JD, because JD's PvZ is sketchy, sometimes he plays beautifully and other times he plays like he is just a mechanical monster with no game knowledge.

But MC vs Rain? eh. Rain was one of the top Protoss' in PvProleague, and he got 2nd in WCS Korea. WCS Korea's ro8 looked better than the top 8 players from both WCS EU and WCS AM.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44271 Posts
August 21 2013 03:32 GMT
#53
gogo MC! Protoss hope!
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awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
August 21 2013 03:33 GMT
#54
The thing about MC is you never quite know what you're gonna get from him. Even now, he's fully capable of showing up and wrecking everyone on his way to 1st in the group. He's also fully capable of coming in last.
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snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
August 21 2013 03:34 GMT
#55
he can do it.
THE BOSS TOSS WILL PREVAIL
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
August 21 2013 03:43 GMT
#56
Welmu/JD to go
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 21 2013 03:56 GMT
#57
god I pray for a miracle and jaedong advances 1st out of this group 4-0. Man if he loses I will probably not watch the rest of wcs as him/scarlett are the only players I would watch.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 21 2013 04:15 GMT
#58
I had to think about this group for a while but I think I'm going to give Jaedong a chance to edge out MC in this group
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16057 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 04:50:14
August 21 2013 04:49 GMT
#59
I have more confidence in Jaedong in this group than most. I think he'll take second place.

1. Rain
2. Jaedong
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
August 21 2013 05:17 GMT
#60
People totally overestimating MC... And underestimating Jaedong... Three second place finishes in premier tourneys is pretty good. He's definitely getting better over time. Rain/Jaedong
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 21 2013 05:27 GMT
#61
On August 21 2013 14:17 XtreMe_au wrote:
People totally overestimating MC... And underestimating Jaedong... Three second place finishes in premier tourneys is pretty good. He's definitely getting better over time. Rain/Jaedong

Inb4 JD actually takes 2nd place falling to... let it be TaeJa, cause summer is not over, rite :D?
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SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 05:31:02
August 21 2013 05:30 GMT
#62
I wanna see Rain vs Maru again. Rain gogogo
And MC is gonna fall. He moved to this finals through some miracle. Just got very lucky. In this group no chance. ofc only vs JD
GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
August 21 2013 06:10 GMT
#63
Forgot to mention MC's GSL 2nd place in 2012 as well as the timeline of him having a girlfriend with his standing as a player.
High Diamond/ Low Masters :^)
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
August 21 2013 06:11 GMT
#64
keen for mc and jaekong to do well!
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
nickzzang89
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)11 Posts
August 21 2013 06:37 GMT
#65
Never doubt the Boss Toss!
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
August 21 2013 06:45 GMT
#66
'His relentless pursuit of wealth' is actually the most reasonable thing a progamer can accomplish in their short-lived careers. Great write up!
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
August 21 2013 07:12 GMT
#67
Rain will make it, no doubt. Would be really cool to see Jaedong and MC advance together, but that's probably not going to happen. As long as Welmu doesn't make it out, I guess I have to be satisfied.

Either way, great writeup on MC.
Flash | Mvp
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 21 2013 07:12 GMT
#68
Rain should be used to PvProleague, so I don't expect him to fall out there. I wouldn't count Jaedong out though, his JvP improved - and let's be honest, MC and Welmu are not exactly the hardest guys. With a bit of luck, it might go this way for JD:

MC > Welmu
Rain > Jaedong
Jaedong > Welmu
MC < Rain
Jaedong > MC

I'm just not expecting Welmu to do well somehow

Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
August 21 2013 07:36 GMT
#69
I think that if Welmu will go to ro8 he must win his first match against MC. Rain will most likely win Jaedong and Welmu vs Rain might be really good for Welmu because I don't expect Rain to know who Welmu is and how scary his pvp can be, it might catch Rain offguard (And Welmu most likely knows everything about Rain)

If Welmu vs Jaedong happens I have a feeling that JD wins, I think he might be the hardest opponent for Welmu.

Prediction:

Welmu > MC
Rain > JD
Welmu < Rain
MC > JD
Welmu > MC
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
August 21 2013 07:44 GMT
#70
MC and Rain looks logical but I don't know why, I think there will be an upset and JD is going to make it. Welmu has a decent PvP iirc but I don't think he can take more than one BO3.
So I predict JD and Rain to go through.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
August 21 2013 07:52 GMT
#71
Rain first then Jaedong.
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
gamegold6
Profile Joined August 2013
4 Posts
August 21 2013 08:05 GMT
#72
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zuqbu
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany797 Posts
August 21 2013 08:14 GMT
#73
From here on forward I'm going to put all my effort to be perceived by everyone as a strong player. I'm sure there were many people who predicted Byung Goo hyung's victory but I'll make sure nothing as such happens from now on. source

ee han 22/12/2007 never forget
o_O
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
August 21 2013 08:24 GMT
#74
I know Jaedong ZvP is bad but not this bad. He has a good chance to qualify. He learned how to stop 2 base all-ins.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
August 21 2013 08:32 GMT
#75
mc is always so lovable heh.

"Stephano is the greatest non-Korean of all time"
nah... i still much prefer naniwa
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
August 21 2013 08:33 GMT
#76
Rain and MC all the way. really want the boss toss to achieve his earnings goal ever since he was robbed of being a 3 time protoss GSL champion from Seed!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 08:51:25
August 21 2013 08:50 GMT
#77
Find this article pretty disappointing in terms of how it is written and a tad disrespectful :S The meaning behind it is not bad but the way it is worded makes it sound pretty awful >.< (The MC part that is)

Also being the player with the biggest prize money winnings to me says your the best player...MVP has one the biggest competitions and the most times, but he rarely stepped out of Korea in that time where as MC was globetrotting his way picking up cheques left right and centre, that is why if he gets top of that money list he thoroughly deserves to be the best which he clearly would be as he has won the most money...

I think the predictions are right but i would say;

MC
Rain
Jaedong
Welmu

I just see Jaedong winning one of his JvPs ^_^
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
August 21 2013 08:56 GMT
#78
So on prizemoney alone, he's been getting 125k dollars a year, then you add salary and sponsorships on to that and he's making so much money

No wonder hes putting a few pounds on :p
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
August 21 2013 08:58 GMT
#79
I just want MC to do well, Bosstoss fighting!
Less QQ, more PewPew
FnaticPink
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark324 Posts
August 21 2013 09:14 GMT
#80
Bo$$ To$$
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 09:43:39
August 21 2013 09:38 GMT
#81
On August 21 2013 14:27 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 14:17 XtreMe_au wrote:
People totally overestimating MC... And underestimating Jaedong... Three second place finishes in premier tourneys is pretty good. He's definitely getting better over time. Rain/Jaedong

Inb4 JD actually takes 2nd place falling to... let it be TaeJa, cause summer is not over, rite :D?


Woah, this is not WCS AM you know, I think JD+Taeja finals is highly unlikely.

+ Show Spoiler +
Have you seen the terran lineup? I can't say I believe JD will win against any of those except for maybe alive. (Sorry alive!)


this is also interesting:
+ Show Spoiler +
                 Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
--------------------------------------------------------------
Rain 59.16% 31.10% 28.06% 21.95% 18.89%
Welmu 51.82% 26.13% 25.69% 24.71% 23.47%
Jaedong 50.39% 25.03% 25.36% 24.93% 24.68%
MC 38.63% 17.74% 20.89% 28.41% 32.95%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
maru G5L pls
ThunderGod
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
New Zealand897 Posts
August 21 2013 10:09 GMT
#82
MC >< Welmu
Rain > Jaedong
Rain > MC/Welmu
Jaedong > Welmu/MC
Jaedong > MC/Welmu

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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
August 21 2013 10:24 GMT
#83
Because money and fame is all that matters. GOGO MC
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Brexas
Profile Joined January 2013
Spain34 Posts
August 21 2013 10:26 GMT
#84
Predictions MC > Rain? Seriously?
"I play a lot of sniper right now" -ReDeYe
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
August 21 2013 10:46 GMT
#85
Welmu will not beat JD. Not in this world.
mrgetdown
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom3 Posts
August 21 2013 11:14 GMT
#86
JD only has to practice Protoss, and gathering from his super close series with MC at IEM, that JD lost just due to a last minute micro error. I'm confident JD will put the hurt on MC and get out of his group.
ottosec
Profile Joined April 2013
505 Posts
August 21 2013 11:30 GMT
#87
Can't wait for this! I think MC will go through on first place on his PvP alone. Rain will beat JD twice and secure the second place.

JDs only chance is to play MC in the decisive game, because Rain will absolutely destroy him.
SKT1-PartinG&Rain, MC
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 21 2013 11:35 GMT
#88
Rooting for Welmu, though he definitely needs more than one ace up his sleeves.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 21 2013 12:46 GMT
#89
The times are so awful for me, but I'll try to catch as many games as I can. I guess I can watch vods, it's just not the same.
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
August 21 2013 12:55 GMT
#90
we gotta start making threads earlier and putting these games in the calender events sooner if we want more viewers.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 21 2013 13:07 GMT
#91
On August 21 2013 21:55 below66 wrote:
we gotta start making threads earlier and putting these games in the calender events sooner if we want more viewers.

You can submit events yourself to make sure they're in the calendar nice and early!
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holmesgenius
Profile Joined February 2013
Vietnam65 Posts
August 21 2013 13:27 GMT
#92
MC > Rain. No ways
Terran imbalance ---- Zerg wins ---- Protoss advances
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 21 2013 13:28 GMT
#93
Welmu win advance in first place. You heard it here first!
^All we need is fate.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 13:40:41
August 21 2013 13:40 GMT
#94
Rain first, MC second. No way Rain's dropping a set to someone who couldn't beat duckdeok in a bo7. As for JD, prepare to be underwelmu'd.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
August 21 2013 13:41 GMT
#95
I've got MC third in the group behind Rain and JD.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
August 21 2013 13:53 GMT
#96
hoping for: mc and jaedong
expecting: rain and mc (with mc beating jaedong 2-1 in the final match)
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 21 2013 14:06 GMT
#97
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
August 21 2013 14:31 GMT
#98
Liquipedia says this starts on Friday... But when? Because there is nothing about it in the upcomming events.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
August 21 2013 14:38 GMT
#99
Welmu 4:0 easy
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 21 2013 14:40 GMT
#100
On August 21 2013 23:38 Swiv wrote:
Welmu 4:0 easy

#yearofwelmu
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 21 2013 14:46 GMT
#101
On August 21 2013 23:31 Mozdk wrote:
Liquipedia says this starts on Friday... But when? Because there is nothing about it in the upcomming events.

WCS S2 Finals: 1d 21h
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yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
August 21 2013 15:10 GMT
#102
On August 21 2013 09:36 DRTnOOber wrote:
You said Rain is the OSL champion... but Maru is. Rain is "an" OSL champion.


Yep
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
August 21 2013 15:16 GMT
#103
Welmu > Jaedong <- rofl i dont think so....
"The voices are back. Excellent." Dexter Morgan
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
August 21 2013 15:32 GMT
#104
On August 22 2013 00:16 jeri wrote:
Welmu > Jaedong <- rofl i dont think so....

I wonder what these fanboys are smoking... and where I can get some.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 21 2013 15:46 GMT
#105
Hoping the dong gets out, I just don't want to see him going home in the first round. Those nerves of steel have to be good for something!
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Salomonster
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden67 Posts
August 21 2013 15:48 GMT
#106
One Dong to rule them all!
twitch.tv/salomonster
WhizPower
Profile Joined June 2013
Netherlands33 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 15:51:14
August 21 2013 15:49 GMT
#107
You're silly if you think Welmu has a higher chance of beating Jaedong than the other way around. Jaedong recently beat Protoss players like Oz, Jim, Stardust, and Welmu's worst matchup is PvZ. Look at their match history on TLPD: Jaedong's ZvP is better than Welmu's PvZ. Of course Jaedong will still have a lot of trouble against Rain and MC, but he can definitely beat Welmu.

People act like ZvP is an automatic loss for Jaedong but it's most certainly not.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 21 2013 16:05 GMT
#108
Waxangel writes really well. ^^
maru lover forever
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
August 21 2013 16:11 GMT
#109
no fair jd deserves a win
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
August 21 2013 16:18 GMT
#110
Welmu > Jaedong? Yeah reminds me of when you guys predicted EG-TL to do well in proleague.

Either way I really hope MC gets that money mark cracked, would be really cool to see.
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
August 21 2013 16:19 GMT
#111
JD will really win this , his ZvP style is pretty nice now a day like really BELIVE!!! I'm thinking BW Glory Days JD vrs Flash finals :D
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 21 2013 16:45 GMT
#112
Hey anyone remember that time when Maru was supposed to get stomped by Innovation and then Rain? THINGS HAPPEN, FINLAND FIGHTING

+ Show Spoiler +
j/k I hate finland
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SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
August 21 2013 17:09 GMT
#113
On August 21 2013 12:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Welmu isn't going to win a single match guaranteed.
There shouldn't be any foreigners in the Finals anyways, they are all walkovers in their groups except for Scarlett.
Even Scarlett is a free match if she manages to get out of the group stages (aka beat MMA).

Rain is going to embarrass all of them and Jaedong is going to make it out second.


Passive aggressive? Go on the loo or get it all out in one shout. You might get a heart attack one of these days.
-,-
Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
August 21 2013 18:41 GMT
#114
Can i get a #ScarlettFIGHTING!! i really hope she does well. Either her or Naniwa would be AWSOME!! could you imagine one of them winning!! OMG
www.twitch.tv/jornada28 Master Protoss. Follow me on Twitter for SC2 Updates https://twitter.com/#!/elelvlent
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 19:25:13
August 21 2013 19:06 GMT
#115
On August 22 2013 02:09 SayTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 12:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Welmu isn't going to win a single match guaranteed.
There shouldn't be any foreigners in the Finals anyways, they are all walkovers in their groups except for Scarlett.
Even Scarlett is a free match if she manages to get out of the group stages (aka beat MMA).

Rain is going to embarrass all of them and Jaedong is going to make it out second.


Passive aggressive? Go on the loo or get it all out in one shout. You might get a heart attack one of these days.

LMFAO
sal sal
I have a resting heart rate of a tortoise, sounds like your about to have an aneurism over there.
Sucks to suck.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 21 2013 19:20 GMT
#116
i hope we'll get previews for the other groups as well?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
August 21 2013 19:32 GMT
#117
Rooting for Finland's pride here! Welmu's got nothing to lose against these opponents. I hope he plays that way too!
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Bateman1983
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark2 Posts
August 21 2013 20:46 GMT
#118
well hard group for welmu.. BUT
he did win against ducky who won the wcs final. !§!!

underdog,, !! i dont know i wouldnt set my money in odds this grp..
even rain has his week moments.

i think its a 3 way tie TBH

its a biiig tour and they will give it all..

ITS GREAT IM SOOOO EXITED
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 21:40:50
August 21 2013 21:40 GMT
#119
This is what will happen (again)

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leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
August 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#120
On August 22 2013 00:32 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 00:16 jeri wrote:
Welmu > Jaedong <- rofl i dont think so....

I wonder what these fanboys are smoking... and where I can get some.


im high on the dong and jd will win wcs ez 2013 rip in peace opposition

heard it here first
banelings
Kyaaaaa
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada46 Posts
August 22 2013 03:59 GMT
#121
JD's ZvP isn't so bad as to lose to Welmu.
TheFiddler
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada17 Posts
August 22 2013 04:08 GMT
#122
Come on, it's not like JD's vP is that horrible where it's an auto-loss (to Welmu of all people). He's beaten some solid Toss in the last couple months too.

JD and Rain to make it through.
stray dog strut
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
August 22 2013 07:30 GMT
#123
i see jd stronger then MC and i can never see welmu beating jd, craaazy predictions
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
August 22 2013 07:40 GMT
#124
Rain and JD will probably make it out. But it can also be Rain and MC. Or anyone and anyone, since this is sc2 and anyone can win.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 22 2013 08:31 GMT
#125
On August 22 2013 08:24 leo23 wrote:
im high on the dong

woah :D

def rooting for MC, don't know who else i want to make it through... but i think Rain will get out.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
hummingbird23
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway359 Posts
August 22 2013 09:40 GMT
#126
Wait, Broodlord-Infestor felling MC? Wasn't he the one who made Tastosis collective brain explode with Mothership/Colossus/HT/Carrier/Voidray in the closing days of WoL?
growlizing
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway122 Posts
August 22 2013 12:52 GMT
#127
I feel worried for JvP.

And Rain will have his reign.
babel88
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland6 Posts
August 22 2013 19:36 GMT
#128
People are realy downrating Welmu hes PvP is at top level i believe you guys havent seen him playing PvP if u predict him going 0-2.
Just my 2 cents
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14458 Posts
August 22 2013 20:12 GMT
#129
Rain and MC !
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KarlSiegt
Profile Joined December 2011
Italy35 Posts
August 22 2013 21:31 GMT
#130
MC. <3
Italia
loko8889
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada4 Posts
August 22 2013 22:01 GMT
#131
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 22 2013 22:02 GMT
#132
Seems legit
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Mirrikh
Profile Joined January 2012
Romania105 Posts
August 23 2013 07:56 GMT
#133
Rain and Jaedong
tl2212
Profile Joined April 2013
Belize731 Posts
August 23 2013 09:22 GMT
#134
the part where rain beats welmu is wrong
economy over everything
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
August 23 2013 14:25 GMT
#135
These predictions. Hah! JD FUCK YEAH!
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shucklesors
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore1176 Posts
August 24 2013 07:38 GMT
#136
isn't jaedong hitting 400,000 in career earnings very soon too?
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 08:03:07
August 26 2013 07:53 GMT
#137
On August 24 2013 16:38 shucklesors wrote:
isn't jaedong hitting 400,000 in career earnings very soon too?


He did with 2nd place, 410k atm with 55k from SC2

:

http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/1507/jaedong

But if you count other games besides SC2/HotS in Flash already did the 400k, Fatal1ty also.....but quite impressive that Jaedong is Top3 earner overall and could become No.1 soon ...and even sooner if he manages to win big
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