Interview of Flash on LoL, BW, Mech, Ruler & Girl - Page 15

Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race?

On August 31 2013 05:11 BronzeKnee wrote:


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?

On August 31 2013 05:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


This is Kespa. And since you bring up GomTvT, why not look at the fact that those times are long gone and now we have PvProLeague (which is Kespa's)? ^^

On August 31 2013 05:23 BronzeKnee wrote:


Proleague is a different beast all together, but to ignore the history of WOL and says that Protoss has been stronger than Terran in SC2 is just ignorant and biased.

On August 31 2013 05:32 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


Actually the interviewer said "Protoss is stronger in SC2". Not "historically Protoss has been the strongest in SC2". He probably means right now, not in October 2011, nor overall.

I'm afraid you've misunderstood.

And of course there's going to be some bias because it's Kespa, of course they're going to consider their own tournaments over the GSL and foreign ones.

On August 31 2013 05:37 BronzeKnee wrote:


I don't think I misunderstood, perhaps the translation is bad, but what he said is pretty clear.

On August 31 2013 05:11 BronzeKnee wrote:


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, overall win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?

I just don't see a lot of green here:

On August 31 2013 05:23 BronzeKnee wrote:


Proleague is a different beast all together, but to ignore the history of WOL and says that Protoss has been stronger than Terran in SC2 is just ignorant and biased. But to look at the last OSL... it had 17 Protoss, 15 Terran and 18 Zerg. At the height of GomTvT in the late summer/fall of 2011, Terran had 32 of the players, half of the league in August. For Code S in October and November, Terran had 20 of 32 spots and 19 of 32 spots respectively.

As for Proleague, frankly, I don't think it measures skill well at all. I've even picked off several really good players (ROOTFitzy and Ver) in best of 1's in TL Opens. I don't think they indicate skill very well, and as a Protoss I can attest that you can plan a build, execute it well and catch someone off guard and win a single game. And part of this is due to the fact that Chronoboost can be used to speed up tech and units unlike the other macro mechanics, so it gives Protoss more wiggle room when creating builds. But winning a series is far more difficult for Protoss, and the results show this.

And honestly, a series is what shows skill. I think we all know this. So looking at the recent OSL and GSL is a better indicator and we certainly, don't see near the domination that Terran or even Zerg has achieved...

But yes, for the short history of Proleague SC2, where best of 1's dominate, Protoss has done well. If you changed the format of Proleague to all-kill, then suddenly the Protoss domination ceases. You can see this by looking at the winrates in Proleague. Overall, last season, Protoss had a 54% winrate vs Terran (this average includes the all-kill rounds, take them out and it goes up). But in the all-kill rounds, Protoss averaged 50% vs Terran.

So when Protoss can't plan a specific build for each opponent and snipe them in a best of 1, their win rate drops off fast.

On August 31 2013 06:53 Caladan wrote:
It's so ridiculous. Just yet ANOTHER LoL advertisement post/interview/guide in SC2 forums!
WTF?

@ LoL people/TL.net LoL staff: Why can't you just let us SC2/BW/RTS fans alone?
It's like an offense if you make an interview with the best SCBW progamer ever and an top SC2 player (Flash) and the half of the questions are about LoL, and how LoL price money is bigger than SC2's.

Wtf @ Tl.net? Wtf...

Long live Starcraft & RTS! I don't want any other game.
People that change games only because the other game is more popular/has more prize money are sad.

This translated interview is a shortened version from the DES's interview about Flash and Madlife (CJ's LoL player).

On August 31 2013 06:53 Caladan wrote:
It's so ridiculous. Just yet ANOTHER LoL advertisement post/interview/guide in SC2 forums!
WTF?

@ LoL people/TL.net LoL staff: Why can't you just let us SC2/BW/RTS fans alone?
It's like an offense if you make an interview with the best SCBW progamer ever and an top SC2 player (Flash) and the half of the questions are about LoL, and how LoL price money is bigger than SC2's.

Wtf @ Tl.net? Wtf...

Long live Starcraft & RTS! I don't want any other game.
People that change games only because the other game is more popular/has more prize money are sad.

On August 31 2013 22:18 ShootingQuasar wrote:
It doesn't sounds like Flash enjoys the game very much anymore . Not to sounds overly negative but maybe its affecting his results. So the inevitable seems to be true, SC2 seems to be dying a slow death if the players dont enjoty the game and the prize money isnt as high as in Dota and LoL.

On August 31 2013 22:35 darkness wrote:


Agreed. Also I still think Flash is the best player in terms of discipline and strong will. Amazing guy! Do we know what he wants to do after pro-gaming? E.g. what job. Was it IT or am I misled?

Edit: I think Flash will quit within 1 year and apply for university.