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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 20:14:55
August 30 2013 20:11 GMT
#281
Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race?


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, overall win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?

I just don't see a lot of green here:

[image loading]
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 30 2013 20:13 GMT
#282
On August 31 2013 05:11 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race?


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?


This is Kespa. And since you bring up GomTvT, why not look at the fact that those times are long gone and now we have PvProLeague (which is Kespa's)? ^^

"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 20:39:40
August 30 2013 20:23 GMT
#283
On August 31 2013 05:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:11 BronzeKnee wrote:
Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race?


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?


This is Kespa. And since you bring up GomTvT, why not look at the fact that those times are long gone and now we have PvProLeague (which is Kespa's)? ^^



Proleague is a different beast all together, but to ignore the history of WOL and says that Protoss has been stronger than Terran in SC2 is just ignorant and biased. But to look at the last OSL... it had 17 Protoss, 15 Terran and 18 Zerg. At the height of GomTvT in the late summer/fall of 2011, Terran had 32 of the players, half of the league in August. For Code S in October and November, Terran had 20 of 32 spots and 19 of 32 spots respectively.

As for Proleague, frankly, I don't think it measures skill well at all. I've even picked off several really good players (ROOTFitzy and Ver) in best of 1's in TL Opens. I don't think they indicate skill very well, and as a Protoss I can attest that you can plan a build, execute it well and catch someone off guard and win a single game. And part of this is due to the fact that Chronoboost can be used to speed up tech and units unlike the other macro mechanics, so it gives Protoss more wiggle room when creating builds. But winning a series is far more difficult for Protoss, and the results show this.

And honestly, a series is what shows skill. I think we all know this. So looking at the recent OSL and GSL is a better indicator and we certainly, don't see near the domination that Terran or even Zerg has achieved...

But yes, for the short history of Proleague SC2, where best of 1's dominate, Protoss has done well. If you changed the format of Proleague to all-kill, then suddenly the Protoss domination ceases. You can see this by looking at the winrates in Proleague. Overall, last season, Protoss had a 54% winrate vs Terran (this average includes the all-kill rounds, take them out and it goes up). But in the all-kill rounds, Protoss averaged 50% vs Terran.

So when Protoss can't plan a specific build for each opponent and snipe them in a best of 1, their win rate drops off fast.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 20:34:21
August 30 2013 20:32 GMT
#284
On August 31 2013 05:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:11 BronzeKnee wrote:
Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race?


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?


This is Kespa. And since you bring up GomTvT, why not look at the fact that those times are long gone and now we have PvProLeague (which is Kespa's)? ^^



Proleague is a different beast all together, but to ignore the history of WOL and says that Protoss has been stronger than Terran in SC2 is just ignorant and biased.


Actually the interviewer said "Protoss is stronger in SC2". Not "historically Protoss has been the strongest in SC2". He probably means right now, not in October 2011, nor overall.

I'm afraid you've misunderstood.

And of course there's going to be some bias because it's Kespa, of course they're going to consider their own tournaments over the GSL and foreign ones.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
August 30 2013 20:37 GMT
#285
On August 31 2013 05:32 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:11 BronzeKnee wrote:
Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race?


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?


This is Kespa. And since you bring up GomTvT, why not look at the fact that those times are long gone and now we have PvProLeague (which is Kespa's)? ^^



Proleague is a different beast all together, but to ignore the history of WOL and says that Protoss has been stronger than Terran in SC2 is just ignorant and biased.


Actually the interviewer said "Protoss is stronger in SC2". Not "historically Protoss has been the strongest in SC2". He probably means right now, not in October 2011, nor overall.

I'm afraid you've misunderstood.

And of course there's going to be some bias because it's Kespa, of course they're going to consider their own tournaments over the GSL and foreign ones.


I don't think I misunderstood, perhaps the translation is bad, but what he said is pretty clear.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
August 30 2013 20:43 GMT
#286
I love his conscious dedication to eSports as a whole and using himself toward that :D What a great God to have!
twitter.com/lumigaming - DongRaeGu is the One True Dong - /r/onetruedong
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 20:46:54
August 30 2013 20:46 GMT
#287
On August 31 2013 05:37 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:32 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:11 BronzeKnee wrote:
Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race?


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?


This is Kespa. And since you bring up GomTvT, why not look at the fact that those times are long gone and now we have PvProLeague (which is Kespa's)? ^^



Proleague is a different beast all together, but to ignore the history of WOL and says that Protoss has been stronger than Terran in SC2 is just ignorant and biased.


Actually the interviewer said "Protoss is stronger in SC2". Not "historically Protoss has been the strongest in SC2". He probably means right now, not in October 2011, nor overall.

I'm afraid you've misunderstood.

And of course there's going to be some bias because it's Kespa, of course they're going to consider their own tournaments over the GSL and foreign ones.


I don't think I misunderstood, perhaps the translation is bad, but what he said is pretty clear.


I agree, the choice of verb tense used is pretty clear, and indicates the present. ^^
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
August 30 2013 20:46 GMT
#288
On August 31 2013 05:11 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race?


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, overall win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?

I just don't see a lot of green here:

[image loading]


It refers to PvProleague which is way more valid argument than GomTvT - which happen almost 3 years ago.
Also WCS EU speaks a lot about how good protoss really is, not necessarily IMBA, but really good.

Also TvP late game is really pain in the ass.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 30 2013 20:52 GMT
#289
If esports EVER wants to be taken seriously, then go remove the questions for girlfriends. It's like "Man, you're earning money with playing - you can't have a girlfriend, can you? Ever tried?" - just stupid.

Every single time that question (or a similar one) pops up, wherever it is, be it Korea, AM or EU, MLG, WCS, NASL, Dreamhack, GSL, OSL, ..., I want to punch the interviewer in the face.

And yes, I do play SC2, and I do have a girlfriend . So it's not about any personal issues.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 30 2013 20:55 GMT
#290
On August 31 2013 05:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:11 BronzeKnee wrote:
Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race?


What kind of question is this? How does anyone even think this?

In terms of results, win rates, premier tournament participation ect... Terran has the most throughout SC2 history with Zerg trailing slightly at this point, and Protoss is a distant third. Doesn't anyone remember GomTvT?


This is Kespa. And since you bring up GomTvT, why not look at the fact that those times are long gone and now we have PvProLeague (which is Kespa's)? ^^



Proleague is a different beast all together, but to ignore the history of WOL and says that Protoss has been stronger than Terran in SC2 is just ignorant and biased. But to look at the last OSL... it had 17 Protoss, 15 Terran and 18 Zerg. At the height of GomTvT in the late summer/fall of 2011, Terran had 32 of the players, half of the league in August. For Code S in October and November, Terran had 20 of 32 spots and 19 of 32 spots respectively.

As for Proleague, frankly, I don't think it measures skill well at all. I've even picked off several really good players (ROOTFitzy and Ver) in best of 1's in TL Opens. I don't think they indicate skill very well, and as a Protoss I can attest that you can plan a build, execute it well and catch someone off guard and win a single game. And part of this is due to the fact that Chronoboost can be used to speed up tech and units unlike the other macro mechanics, so it gives Protoss more wiggle room when creating builds. But winning a series is far more difficult for Protoss, and the results show this.

And honestly, a series is what shows skill. I think we all know this. So looking at the recent OSL and GSL is a better indicator and we certainly, don't see near the domination that Terran or even Zerg has achieved...

But yes, for the short history of Proleague SC2, where best of 1's dominate, Protoss has done well. If you changed the format of Proleague to all-kill, then suddenly the Protoss domination ceases. You can see this by looking at the winrates in Proleague. Overall, last season, Protoss had a 54% winrate vs Terran (this average includes the all-kill rounds, take them out and it goes up). But in the all-kill rounds, Protoss averaged 50% vs Terran.

So when Protoss can't plan a specific build for each opponent and snipe them in a best of 1, their win rate drops off fast.


I think all he implied by that was it seems strong atm and he just wanted Flash's thoughts. We know how chaotic the patches can be and you'll see people whining about the silly game non-stop where ever you go. Just look at Dear 4-0ing Supernova and all the bitching afterwards. *sigh* It happens all the time.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
August 30 2013 21:31 GMT
#291
Flash is the man. So humble, so honest. Really great interview.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 21:47:52
August 30 2013 21:45 GMT
#292
[image loading]

Is it just me or does Flash look 15 from that angle



Watch the beginning. There's a montage of Flash at the beginning.

Edit: I never noticed how creepy OGN was before o.O also Flash's head as a baby doesn't seem healthy
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 21:50:40
August 30 2013 21:50 GMT
#293
i knew that question would bring out all the angry protoss...hes dead on about mech, blizzard needs to make it viable. Not just for balance but to make the game more fun, interesting and more enjoyable to the viewer.
savior did nothing wrong
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 21:54:20
August 30 2013 21:53 GMT
#294
It's so ridiculous. Just yet ANOTHER LoL advertisement post/interview/guide in SC2 forums!
WTF?

@ LoL people/TL.net LoL staff: Why can't you just let us SC2/BW/RTS fans alone?
It's like an offense if you make an interview with the best SCBW progamer ever and an top SC2 player (Flash) and the half of the questions are about LoL, and how LoL price money is bigger than SC2's.

Wtf @ Tl.net? Wtf...

Long live Starcraft & RTS! I don't want any other game.
People that change games only because the other game is more popular/has more prize money are sad.
Gaizokubanou
Profile Joined April 2013
United States61 Posts
August 30 2013 22:04 GMT
#295
On August 31 2013 06:53 Caladan wrote:
It's so ridiculous. Just yet ANOTHER LoL advertisement post/interview/guide in SC2 forums!
WTF?

@ LoL people/TL.net LoL staff: Why can't you just let us SC2/BW/RTS fans alone?
It's like an offense if you make an interview with the best SCBW progamer ever and an top SC2 player (Flash) and the half of the questions are about LoL, and how LoL price money is bigger than SC2's.

Wtf @ Tl.net? Wtf...

Long live Starcraft & RTS! I don't want any other game.
People that change games only because the other game is more popular/has more prize money are sad.


Probably because of this.


This translated interview is a shortened version from the DES's interview about Flash and Madlife (CJ's LoL player).


IDK what/who DES is but it looks like TL just did the translation here and nothing else.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 31 2013 04:06 GMT
#296
On August 31 2013 06:53 Caladan wrote:
It's so ridiculous. Just yet ANOTHER LoL advertisement post/interview/guide in SC2 forums!
WTF?

@ LoL people/TL.net LoL staff: Why can't you just let us SC2/BW/RTS fans alone?
It's like an offense if you make an interview with the best SCBW progamer ever and an top SC2 player (Flash) and the half of the questions are about LoL, and how LoL price money is bigger than SC2's.

Wtf @ Tl.net? Wtf...

Long live Starcraft & RTS! I don't want any other game.
People that change games only because the other game is more popular/has more prize money are sad.

lol it's an interview with both Flash and CJ Frost's Madlife which is a LoL player. TL or rather the OP only translated it, not interviewed them.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
FoShao
Profile Joined November 2012
United States256 Posts
August 31 2013 12:09 GMT
#297
interviewer is toss hater 8)
ShootingQuasar
Profile Joined July 2013
United Kingdom44 Posts
August 31 2013 13:18 GMT
#298
It doesn't sounds like Flash enjoys the game very much anymore . Not to sounds overly negative but maybe its affecting his results. So the inevitable seems to be true, SC2 seems to be dying a slow death if the players dont enjoty the game and the prize money isnt as high as in Dota and LoL.
No need Build Orders, Only Micro
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 13:39:11
August 31 2013 13:35 GMT
#299
On August 31 2013 22:18 ShootingQuasar wrote:
It doesn't sounds like Flash enjoys the game very much anymore . Not to sounds overly negative but maybe its affecting his results. So the inevitable seems to be true, SC2 seems to be dying a slow death if the players dont enjoty the game and the prize money isnt as high as in Dota and LoL.


Agreed. Also I still think Flash is the best player in terms of discipline and strong will. Amazing guy! Do we know what he wants to do after pro-gaming? E.g. what job. Was it IT or am I misled?

Edit: I think Flash will quit within 1 year and apply for university.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
August 31 2013 13:50 GMT
#300
On August 31 2013 22:35 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 22:18 ShootingQuasar wrote:
It doesn't sounds like Flash enjoys the game very much anymore . Not to sounds overly negative but maybe its affecting his results. So the inevitable seems to be true, SC2 seems to be dying a slow death if the players dont enjoty the game and the prize money isnt as high as in Dota and LoL.


Agreed. Also I still think Flash is the best player in terms of discipline and strong will. Amazing guy! Do we know what he wants to do after pro-gaming? E.g. what job. Was it IT or am I misled?

Edit: I think Flash will quit within 1 year and apply for university.

Flash will still have a high salary and he's still a title favorite. I think he will enjoy the game more once he actually wins something.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
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