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ThreeSixDrew
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada183 Posts
August 14 2013 20:09 GMT
#141
Hmm finals are stacked!!!
Marcinko
Profile Joined May 2013
South Africa1014 Posts
August 14 2013 20:12 GMT
#142
Group A
(P)Welmu
(Z)Jaedong

Group B
(T)Polt
(P)Grubby

Group C
(P)duckdeok
(T)TaeJa

Group D
(T)Maru
(Z)Scarlett

This is what I hope for but will never happen!
....
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
August 14 2013 20:13 GMT
#143
Predictions:

Welmu,Rain (YEAAAH)
Polt, First
Innovation, TaeJa
Maru, Jim
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 20:21:05
August 14 2013 20:15 GMT
#144
My Predictions:

A. Rain/Jaedong

I'm predicting a Rain stomp through that group with Jaedong narrowly beating MC in the final match to advance. Sadly I don't give Welmu much of a chance here.

B. Polt/Bomber

As good as First played against Fantasy, his absolute dismantling at the hands of Bomber leaves me worried about a chance for a Protoss to advance here. Polt is IMO the strongest player in this group but with how much of a wildcard Bomber can be in TvT I can see him advancing also in second place on the back of his amazing TvP alone.

I just do not see First or Grubby going toe to toe with Polt's TvP and winning.

C. Innovation/Taeja

I do not understand why Group C is currently leading in the Group of Death vote. Innovation and Taeja are in two different leagues compared with Naniwa and Duckdeok. If either of these two do not advance it will be an enormous upset. Then again, Innovation DID lose to Maru and Taeja did drop a map in TvP to Macsed so anything is possible.


D. Maru/Scarlett

This one is honestly the hardest to call. The easiest claim I can make here is that MMA is the weakest player in the group and Maru is the strongest but I have no idea how to call second and third. Scarlett SHOULD win her first place match vs MMA and Maru should win vs Jim but I just do not know who will advance in second place, I went with Scarlett in the end because even though she has expressed concern in her own ZvP, Jim's ZvP vs Jaedong did not look convincing enough to me to give him the odds on nod to advance over her.

There is also the off chance that Scarlett can actually knock off Maru in a ZvT. His last televised TvZ was against Symbol and despite winning there I couldn't help but feel that Symbol just did not play a good series against him, perhaps Scarlett has a chance there, narrow perhaps but not impossible.



aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
FoShao
Profile Joined November 2012
United States256 Posts
August 14 2013 20:19 GMT
#145
lol whoever made these groups must not like Jaedong
MaskaGodlike
Profile Joined July 2013
Russian Federation50 Posts
August 14 2013 20:21 GMT
#146
On August 15 2013 05:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
My Predictions:

A. Rain/Jaedong

I'm predicting a Rain stomp through that group with Jaedong narrowly beating MC in the final match to advance. Sadly I don't give Welmu much of a chance here.

B. Polt/Bomber

As good as First played against Fantasy, his absolute dismantling at the hands of Bomber leaves me worried about a chance for a Protoss to advance here. Polt is IMO the strongest player in this group but with how much of a wildcard Bomber can be in TvT I can see him advancing also in second place on the back of his amazing TvP alone.

I just do not see First or Grubby going toe to toe with Polt's TvP and winning.

C. Innovation/Taeja

I do not understand why Group C is currently leading in the Group of Death vote. Innovation and Taeja are in two different leagues compared with Naniwa and Duckdeok. If either of these two do not advance it will be an enormous upset. Then again, Innovation DID lose to Maru and Taeja did drop a map in TvP to Macsed so anything is possible.


D. Maru/Scarlett

This one is honestly the hardest to call. The easiest claim I can make here is that MMA is the weakest player in the group and Maru is the strongest but I have no idea how to call second and third. Scarlett SHOULD win her first place match vs MMA and Maru should win vs Jim but I just do not know who will advance in second place, I went with Scarlett in the end because even though she has expressed concern in her own ZvP, Jim's ZvP vs Jaedong did not look convincing enough to me to give him the odds on nod to advance over her.





Callling MMA the weakest player in group is kinda weird.
MMA
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 20:26:21
August 14 2013 20:22 GMT
#147
On August 15 2013 05:19 FoShao wrote:
lol whoever made these groups must not like Jaedong


Naniwa got screwed way harder than Jaedong did.

At least Jaedong only needs to prepare for one match up and has arguably the weakest foreigner in his group. Naniwa has to prepare for a PvP against duckdeok and then TvP vs two of the best Terrans in the world.

Grubby might have gotten it the worst out of everyone though.

First has amazing Code S level PvP and Bomber and Polt are both monsters in TvP provided Bomber doesn't try to pull some boneheaded Mech build. (Still bitter about that one Wintex?)
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
August 14 2013 20:23 GMT
#148
On August 15 2013 05:21 MaskaGodlike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
My Predictions:

A. Rain/Jaedong

I'm predicting a Rain stomp through that group with Jaedong narrowly beating MC in the final match to advance. Sadly I don't give Welmu much of a chance here.

B. Polt/Bomber

As good as First played against Fantasy, his absolute dismantling at the hands of Bomber leaves me worried about a chance for a Protoss to advance here. Polt is IMO the strongest player in this group but with how much of a wildcard Bomber can be in TvT I can see him advancing also in second place on the back of his amazing TvP alone.

I just do not see First or Grubby going toe to toe with Polt's TvP and winning.

C. Innovation/Taeja

I do not understand why Group C is currently leading in the Group of Death vote. Innovation and Taeja are in two different leagues compared with Naniwa and Duckdeok. If either of these two do not advance it will be an enormous upset. Then again, Innovation DID lose to Maru and Taeja did drop a map in TvP to Macsed so anything is possible.


D. Maru/Scarlett

This one is honestly the hardest to call. The easiest claim I can make here is that MMA is the weakest player in the group and Maru is the strongest but I have no idea how to call second and third. Scarlett SHOULD win her first place match vs MMA and Maru should win vs Jim but I just do not know who will advance in second place, I went with Scarlett in the end because even though she has expressed concern in her own ZvP, Jim's ZvP vs Jaedong did not look convincing enough to me to give him the odds on nod to advance over her.





Callling MMA the weakest player in group is kinda weird.


As someone who was a fan of MMA in his prime I will agree, but times have changed.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 14 2013 20:23 GMT
#149
Jaedong got lucky as hell, should easily make it out 2nd.
LittleRedBoy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 20:27:56
August 14 2013 20:26 GMT
#150
I really don't understand how you guys think that MMA won't advance from his group. He's won 65% of his games in HotS and 77% of his games against zerg.
indiouhh
Profile Joined August 2013
Mexico3 Posts
August 14 2013 20:26 GMT
#151
What the hell happened to Soulkey?!
The final match will be Innovation Vs Polt. I don't know who will win tho and obviously the odds are in favor of Innovation.
"Oh! You scared me"
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
August 14 2013 20:29 GMT
#152
On August 15 2013 05:26 LittleRedBoy wrote:
I really don't understand how you guys think that MMA won't advance from his group. He's won 65% of his games in HotS and 77% of his games against zerg.


Stomping through WCS Europe is not the same as going toe to toe with players on the caliber of Maru or going against ZvT snipers like Scarlett.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
LittleRedBoy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States229 Posts
August 14 2013 20:29 GMT
#153
On August 15 2013 05:26 indiouhh wrote:
What the hell happened to Soulkey?!
The final match will be Innovation Vs Polt. I don't know who will win tho and obviously the odds are in favor of Innovation.


Innovation? You mean the guy that lost 0-6 combined to Maru and Bomber, who are also in this tournament?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 14 2013 20:30 GMT
#154
On August 15 2013 05:26 indiouhh wrote:
What the hell happened to Soulkey?!
The final match will be Innovation Vs Polt. I don't know who will win tho and obviously the odds are in favor of Innovation.


Supernova happened. Then First happened to him.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
August 14 2013 20:30 GMT
#155
On August 15 2013 05:26 indiouhh wrote:
What the hell happened to Soulkey?!
The final match will be Innovation Vs Polt. I don't know who will win tho and obviously the odds are in favor of Innovation.


Innovation and Supernova happened to Soulkey.

He got unlucky in the pairings for the Ro8 in WCS Korea going against Innovation there.

Once he got into the playoff qualifier for 5th place he met Supernova who played an AMAZING series there to knock him out of contention for the finals only to then lose to First in the last series.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
MaskaGodlike
Profile Joined July 2013
Russian Federation50 Posts
August 14 2013 20:31 GMT
#156
On August 15 2013 05:23 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:21 MaskaGodlike wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
My Predictions:

A. Rain/Jaedong

I'm predicting a Rain stomp through that group with Jaedong narrowly beating MC in the final match to advance. Sadly I don't give Welmu much of a chance here.

B. Polt/Bomber

As good as First played against Fantasy, his absolute dismantling at the hands of Bomber leaves me worried about a chance for a Protoss to advance here. Polt is IMO the strongest player in this group but with how much of a wildcard Bomber can be in TvT I can see him advancing also in second place on the back of his amazing TvP alone.

I just do not see First or Grubby going toe to toe with Polt's TvP and winning.

C. Innovation/Taeja

I do not understand why Group C is currently leading in the Group of Death vote. Innovation and Taeja are in two different leagues compared with Naniwa and Duckdeok. If either of these two do not advance it will be an enormous upset. Then again, Innovation DID lose to Maru and Taeja did drop a map in TvP to Macsed so anything is possible.


D. Maru/Scarlett

This one is honestly the hardest to call. The easiest claim I can make here is that MMA is the weakest player in the group and Maru is the strongest but I have no idea how to call second and third. Scarlett SHOULD win her first place match vs MMA and Maru should win vs Jim but I just do not know who will advance in second place, I went with Scarlett in the end because even though she has expressed concern in her own ZvP, Jim's ZvP vs Jaedong did not look convincing enough to me to give him the odds on nod to advance over her.





Callling MMA the weakest player in group is kinda weird.


As someone who was a fan of MMA in his prime I will agree, but times have changed.


Of course he is not in top form right now, but anyway, he will definetly beat Scarlett, and can beat Jim. He may lost to Maru of course. He is still elite terran, according to many ratings.
MMA
remember87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden144 Posts
August 14 2013 20:32 GMT
#157
Poor naniwa. Cant even hope he will go through. Have to root for scarlett now!
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
August 14 2013 20:32 GMT
#158
JD's ultimate vs P test.
Jaedong.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
August 14 2013 20:35 GMT
#159
On August 15 2013 05:31 MaskaGodlike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:23 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:21 MaskaGodlike wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
My Predictions:

A. Rain/Jaedong

I'm predicting a Rain stomp through that group with Jaedong narrowly beating MC in the final match to advance. Sadly I don't give Welmu much of a chance here.

B. Polt/Bomber

As good as First played against Fantasy, his absolute dismantling at the hands of Bomber leaves me worried about a chance for a Protoss to advance here. Polt is IMO the strongest player in this group but with how much of a wildcard Bomber can be in TvT I can see him advancing also in second place on the back of his amazing TvP alone.

I just do not see First or Grubby going toe to toe with Polt's TvP and winning.

C. Innovation/Taeja

I do not understand why Group C is currently leading in the Group of Death vote. Innovation and Taeja are in two different leagues compared with Naniwa and Duckdeok. If either of these two do not advance it will be an enormous upset. Then again, Innovation DID lose to Maru and Taeja did drop a map in TvP to Macsed so anything is possible.


D. Maru/Scarlett

This one is honestly the hardest to call. The easiest claim I can make here is that MMA is the weakest player in the group and Maru is the strongest but I have no idea how to call second and third. Scarlett SHOULD win her first place match vs MMA and Maru should win vs Jim but I just do not know who will advance in second place, I went with Scarlett in the end because even though she has expressed concern in her own ZvP, Jim's ZvP vs Jaedong did not look convincing enough to me to give him the odds on nod to advance over her.





Callling MMA the weakest player in group is kinda weird.


As someone who was a fan of MMA in his prime I will agree, but times have changed.


Of course he is not in top form right now, but anyway, he will definetly beat Scarlett, and can beat Jim. He may lost to Maru of course. He is still elite terran, according to many ratings.


You're either overrating MMA's TvZ or underrating Scarlett's ZvT.

ZvT is her best match up and from what I've seen of MMA's play lately I wouldn't even consider the two of them close to the same skill level in that match up.

It is a team kill though, so MMA might have Scarlett figured out enough to give him an edge but the reverse is just as likely.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
August 14 2013 20:36 GMT
#160
On August 15 2013 02:15 Musicus wrote:
Jaedong fans should close their eyes, as the groups for the WCS S2 Finals have been released!


MC and Welmu are both beatable. I don't think Jaedong's ZvP is as bad as people think (or at least, it can easily improve).

It's Naniwa's group that is horrible (Taeja, Innovation, and Finale/DuckDeok)
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