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On August 15 2013 05:51 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:42 LittleRedBoy wrote:On August 15 2013 05:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 15 2013 05:31 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 15 2013 05:23 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 15 2013 05:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
My Predictions:
A. Rain/Jaedong
I'm predicting a Rain stomp through that group with Jaedong narrowly beating MC in the final match to advance. Sadly I don't give Welmu much of a chance here.
B. Polt/Bomber
As good as First played against Fantasy, his absolute dismantling at the hands of Bomber leaves me worried about a chance for a Protoss to advance here. Polt is IMO the strongest player in this group but with how much of a wildcard Bomber can be in TvT I can see him advancing also in second place on the back of his amazing TvP alone.
I just do not see First or Grubby going toe to toe with Polt's TvP and winning.
C. Innovation/Taeja
I do not understand why Group C is currently leading in the Group of Death vote. Innovation and Taeja are in two different leagues compared with Naniwa and Duckdeok. If either of these two do not advance it will be an enormous upset. Then again, Innovation DID lose to Maru and Taeja did drop a map in TvP to Macsed so anything is possible.
D. Maru/Scarlett
This one is honestly the hardest to call. The easiest claim I can make here is that MMA is the weakest player in the group and Maru is the strongest but I have no idea how to call second and third. Scarlett SHOULD win her first place match vs MMA and Maru should win vs Jim but I just do not know who will advance in second place, I went with Scarlett in the end because even though she has expressed concern in her own ZvP, Jim's ZvP vs Jaedong did not look convincing enough to me to give him the odds on nod to advance over her.
Callling MMA the weakest player in group is kinda weird. As someone who was a fan of MMA in his prime I will agree, but times have changed. Of course he is not in top form right now, but anyway, he will definetly beat Scarlett, and can beat Jim. He may lost to Maru of course. He is still elite terran, according to many ratings. You're either overrating MMA's TvZ or underrating Scarlett's ZvT. ZvT is her best match up and from what I've seen of MMA's play lately I wouldn't even consider the two of them close to the same skill level in that match up. It is a team kill though, so MMA might have Scarlett figured out enough to give him an edge but the reverse is just as likely. You wouldn't consider the two of them close to the same skill level in TvZ/ZvT? MMA has a better winning percentage against Zerg than Scarlett does against Terran in HotS. In fact, MMA has only lost 4 Bo3/Bo5 in the past 4 months. Two of those losses were to Hyun and he went 2-3 against Life in a Bo5. On this one I'm looking at quality of opponents Scarlett has beaten vs pure win percentage. MMA might have a decent win % vs Zerg but look at who he's been beating. His best accomplishment in ZvT lately has been a 2-0 of BboongBboong in the WCG Qualifiers, and I haven't seen BboongBboong play since the first two rounds of GSTL. Other than that he's been mostly stomping through Foreign Zergs not up to Scarlett's level in WCS Europe. Scarlett's match history vs Terran on the other hand is INSANE. She's stomped on every foreign Terran she's come across lately save for a Bo1 loss to Dayshi and has gone almost 50% with Korean Terrans at the level or better than MMA. If she can 2-0 Polt even on one of his bad days I think she has a good chance vs MMA especially if she carries any of her momentum from WCS America in with her.
She hasn't played very many foreign terrans lately. She beat Strelok 3-1 recently and Illusion. Besides that, and her loss to Dayshi, she hasn't played a foreign terran since May. Yes, she beat aLive 3-0, but the first two games in that series were long, close games. And I wouldn't say that aLive is as good at TvZ as MMA is.
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Sick groups indeed. Can't wait!
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On August 15 2013 06:03 Fjodorov wrote:
Whats up with all the sad faces for JD? He has Welmu and MC to beat, how is that not the easiest grp for him even if ZvP is his worst match up...
Yes, people seem to think that Jaedong's ZvP is terrible or something. There are certainly players with better ZvP than him, but that doesn't mean that he is bad in the match up. It's just that his other match ups, specifically ZvZ, are just so much better.
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Nooooo Polt, Bomber, and First all in the same group. AND they have Grubby. No outcome from that group can make me totally happy  .
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On August 15 2013 06:22 Huragius wrote:
Welmu and Naniwa have a really slight chance of advancing second from the group, but that's it for foreigners.
Jim or Scarlett have a better chance than either of them, a MUCH better chance actually.
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Rain/Jaedong
Bomber/Polt
Innovation/Taeja
Maru/Scarlett
These are pretty much the safe picks  I hope Duckdeok does well though.
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On August 15 2013 06:22 Huragius wrote:
Welmu and Naniwa have a really slight chance of advancing second from the group, but that's it for foreigners.
Honestly I think Scarlett has a very good shot of getting second behind Maru in group D. I don't think Welmu has much chance in his group. He was 3-0d by MC at WCS EU finals and Rain and Jaedong likely have his number as well. As for Nani, I don't think he's in top form and even if he was I think Taeja/Innovation would still beat him, not to mention the fact that Duckdeok beat him 3-1 at WCS EU finals.
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Group C is beastly. I'd love nothing more than to see Naniwa beat Innovation.
And Jaedong couldn't have gotten fucked over any harder unless Parting was in his group instead of Welmu. Lawl.
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On August 15 2013 05:51 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:42 LittleRedBoy wrote:On August 15 2013 05:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 15 2013 05:31 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 15 2013 05:23 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 15 2013 05:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
My Predictions:
A. Rain/Jaedong
I'm predicting a Rain stomp through that group with Jaedong narrowly beating MC in the final match to advance. Sadly I don't give Welmu much of a chance here.
B. Polt/Bomber
As good as First played against Fantasy, his absolute dismantling at the hands of Bomber leaves me worried about a chance for a Protoss to advance here. Polt is IMO the strongest player in this group but with how much of a wildcard Bomber can be in TvT I can see him advancing also in second place on the back of his amazing TvP alone.
I just do not see First or Grubby going toe to toe with Polt's TvP and winning.
C. Innovation/Taeja
I do not understand why Group C is currently leading in the Group of Death vote. Innovation and Taeja are in two different leagues compared with Naniwa and Duckdeok. If either of these two do not advance it will be an enormous upset. Then again, Innovation DID lose to Maru and Taeja did drop a map in TvP to Macsed so anything is possible.
D. Maru/Scarlett
This one is honestly the hardest to call. The easiest claim I can make here is that MMA is the weakest player in the group and Maru is the strongest but I have no idea how to call second and third. Scarlett SHOULD win her first place match vs MMA and Maru should win vs Jim but I just do not know who will advance in second place, I went with Scarlett in the end because even though she has expressed concern in her own ZvP, Jim's ZvP vs Jaedong did not look convincing enough to me to give him the odds on nod to advance over her.
Callling MMA the weakest player in group is kinda weird. As someone who was a fan of MMA in his prime I will agree, but times have changed. Of course he is not in top form right now, but anyway, he will definetly beat Scarlett, and can beat Jim. He may lost to Maru of course. He is still elite terran, according to many ratings. You're either overrating MMA's TvZ or underrating Scarlett's ZvT. ZvT is her best match up and from what I've seen of MMA's play lately I wouldn't even consider the two of them close to the same skill level in that match up. It is a team kill though, so MMA might have Scarlett figured out enough to give him an edge but the reverse is just as likely. You wouldn't consider the two of them close to the same skill level in TvZ/ZvT? MMA has a better winning percentage against Zerg than Scarlett does against Terran in HotS. In fact, MMA has only lost 4 Bo3/Bo5 in the past 4 months. Two of those losses were to Hyun and he went 2-3 against Life in a Bo5. On this one I'm looking at quality of opponents Scarlett has beaten vs pure win percentage. MMA might have a decent win % vs Zerg but look at who he's been beating. His best accomplishment in ZvT lately has been a 2-0 of BboongBboong in the WCG Qualifiers, and I haven't seen BboongBboong play since the first two rounds of GSTL. Other than that he's been mostly stomping through Foreign Zergs not up to Scarlett's level in WCS Europe. Scarlett's match history vs Terran on the other hand is INSANE. She's stomped on every foreign Terran she's come across lately save for a Bo1 loss to Dayshi and has gone almost 50% with Korean Terrans at the level or better than MMA. If she can 2-0 Polt even on one of his bad days I think she has a good chance vs MMA especially if she carries any of her momentum from WCS America in with her.
Beating alive, who refuses to make more than a third base and doesn't split his bio until the end of ling/bling/muta attacks, doesn't make you insane at a matchup. And I'm quite sure everyone stomps foreign terrans.
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Group B of death, Group C of upsets. So looking forward to this, still looking into going to Cologne.
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On August 15 2013 06:40 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:51 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 15 2013 05:42 LittleRedBoy wrote:On August 15 2013 05:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 15 2013 05:31 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 15 2013 05:23 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 15 2013 05:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
My Predictions:
A. Rain/Jaedong
I'm predicting a Rain stomp through that group with Jaedong narrowly beating MC in the final match to advance. Sadly I don't give Welmu much of a chance here.
B. Polt/Bomber
As good as First played against Fantasy, his absolute dismantling at the hands of Bomber leaves me worried about a chance for a Protoss to advance here. Polt is IMO the strongest player in this group but with how much of a wildcard Bomber can be in TvT I can see him advancing also in second place on the back of his amazing TvP alone.
I just do not see First or Grubby going toe to toe with Polt's TvP and winning.
C. Innovation/Taeja
I do not understand why Group C is currently leading in the Group of Death vote. Innovation and Taeja are in two different leagues compared with Naniwa and Duckdeok. If either of these two do not advance it will be an enormous upset. Then again, Innovation DID lose to Maru and Taeja did drop a map in TvP to Macsed so anything is possible.
D. Maru/Scarlett
This one is honestly the hardest to call. The easiest claim I can make here is that MMA is the weakest player in the group and Maru is the strongest but I have no idea how to call second and third. Scarlett SHOULD win her first place match vs MMA and Maru should win vs Jim but I just do not know who will advance in second place, I went with Scarlett in the end because even though she has expressed concern in her own ZvP, Jim's ZvP vs Jaedong did not look convincing enough to me to give him the odds on nod to advance over her.
Callling MMA the weakest player in group is kinda weird. As someone who was a fan of MMA in his prime I will agree, but times have changed. Of course he is not in top form right now, but anyway, he will definetly beat Scarlett, and can beat Jim. He may lost to Maru of course. He is still elite terran, according to many ratings. You're either overrating MMA's TvZ or underrating Scarlett's ZvT. ZvT is her best match up and from what I've seen of MMA's play lately I wouldn't even consider the two of them close to the same skill level in that match up. It is a team kill though, so MMA might have Scarlett figured out enough to give him an edge but the reverse is just as likely. You wouldn't consider the two of them close to the same skill level in TvZ/ZvT? MMA has a better winning percentage against Zerg than Scarlett does against Terran in HotS. In fact, MMA has only lost 4 Bo3/Bo5 in the past 4 months. Two of those losses were to Hyun and he went 2-3 against Life in a Bo5. On this one I'm looking at quality of opponents Scarlett has beaten vs pure win percentage. MMA might have a decent win % vs Zerg but look at who he's been beating. His best accomplishment in ZvT lately has been a 2-0 of BboongBboong in the WCG Qualifiers, and I haven't seen BboongBboong play since the first two rounds of GSTL. Other than that he's been mostly stomping through Foreign Zergs not up to Scarlett's level in WCS Europe. Scarlett's match history vs Terran on the other hand is INSANE. She's stomped on every foreign Terran she's come across lately save for a Bo1 loss to Dayshi and has gone almost 50% with Korean Terrans at the level or better than MMA. If she can 2-0 Polt even on one of his bad days I think she has a good chance vs MMA especially if she carries any of her momentum from WCS America in with her. Beating alive, who refuses to make more than a third base and doesn't split his bio until the end of ling/bling/muta attacks, doesn't make you insane at a matchup. And I'm quite sure everyone stomps foreign terrans.
We will see won't we.
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I'm liking Jim's chances a lot here. The other groups are kinda crazy though.
Grubby ;_;
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On August 15 2013 06:05 monkybone wrote:
that's a tough pick for grubby
how so? Every group is very difficult, theres no easy group.
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On August 15 2013 07:00 Snusmumriken wrote:how so? Every group is very difficult, theres no easy group.
There definitely isn't, but I'd say Sun and Maru are very clear favorites to take 1st in their respective groups.
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Goups' game-sequence is important
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Apart from Jim and Scarlett in Group D, don't think that there will be foreigner advances from the groups.. Maybe Welmu cause he got 2 Protoss in his group, but.. - probably not gonna happen.. Kinda want to see Naniwa do well, but also not being a douchy BM, cause Grubby has absolutely no chance in his group.. so IDK 
As for the winner predictions:
Group A: Jaedong > Rain > Welmu > MC
Group B: Polt > Bomber > Grubby > First
Group C: Taeja > Naniwa > Innovation > duckdeok
Group D: Jim > Scarlett > Maru > MMA
For some of these might be on dope though..
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well atleast jaedong can focus heavily on his zvp
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Sad to see so few zergs in the finals. Scarlett's got a pretty good group and JD's doesn't look impossible, though. There's hope for greater racial diversity in the Ro8 (proportionally)!
I expect Polt or Taeja to take the whole thing. Polt winning would be glorious.
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EPT
