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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 05:02:44
August 16 2013 05:01 GMT
#321
On August 16 2013 06:04 sigm wrote:
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On August 16 2013 03:34 painkilla wrote:
Polt and Taeja are in prime state. They were code S Ro16 when the switched.


Exactly, they were Code S. Now they're playing in WCS AM, which is skill-wise barely Code A tier, maybe not even that. And they switched for the same reason as all the other Koreans who went with AM/EU - they knew they won't get anything done at home, or even if they could, it would take a lot more work than in those two regions. And I don't think that a player going from a harder tournament to an easier one and doing good there shows that they're in prime state.


That's still rubbish though Polt and TaeJa will both go far in this tournament, or at least have great chances to do so. Mvp was code B and probably washed up in your eyes, yet he still made the semis and took innovation to an awesome 5 game series. ForGG did well and crushed sOs. Taeja and Polt are comfortably better than both those two players. They will perform just fine, doesn't matter that they are not in Korea lol.

sigm
Profile Joined December 2010
192 Posts
August 16 2013 15:05 GMT
#322
On August 16 2013 06:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Are you seriously arguing that Polt and TaeJa aren't Code S caliber players? Is that really what is happening here?


What I'm saying is that they both were Code S level before the switch. Most likely they wouldn't have won it, but still, a pretty great achievement nonetheless. Then they both switch over to a weaker tournament and do well there, surprising absolutely nobody. Some people might interpret that as them still being in their prime, or even getting better somehow. I don't. I think that both of them are past their prime by now based on results of more than just this one tournament, and if you'd put them back into WCS KR, they'd have a much harder time than before due to diminished skill level. I might be underestimating them, but that's how I see it.

On August 16 2013 14:01 AxionSteel wrote:
Polt and TaeJa will both go far in this tournament, or at least have great chances to do so.


I agree with this, as they are still reasonably good players, and certainly above any westerners. I'd even give them good chances to beat the EU playing Koreans. I'm certain they'll get out of their groups, I just don't think they'll be able to keep up against the WCS KR squad, that's all.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 15:17:32
August 16 2013 15:17 GMT
#323
On August 17 2013 00:05 sigm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 06:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Are you seriously arguing that Polt and TaeJa aren't Code S caliber players? Is that really what is happening here?


What I'm saying is that they both were Code S level before the switch. Most likely they wouldn't have won it, but still, a pretty great achievement nonetheless. Then they both switch over to a weaker tournament and do well there, surprising absolutely nobody. Some people might interpret that as them still being in their prime, or even getting better somehow. I don't. I think that both of them are past their prime by now based on results of more than just this one tournament, and if you'd put them back into WCS KR, they'd have a much harder time than before due to diminished skill level. I might be underestimating them, but that's how I see it.


Based on results of more than just this one tournament? You realize that even disregarding WCS AM completely, TaeJa has won Assembly and HomeStory Cup, while Polt has won MLG? All three of which quite recent events, needless to say.

Anyway we'll see come WCS finals where they stand.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 16 2013 15:21 GMT
#324
On August 16 2013 03:31 painkilla wrote:
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On August 15 2013 22:13 jalen wrote:
If Maru still be that cheese against jim, he will be in trouble. Jim is not rain that always try to play safe.


This makes no sense. Safe play is supposed to be good against cheese.

Yea but if you only play safe it will get abused like we saw in Maru vs Rain.
CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
August 16 2013 15:36 GMT
#325
Poor Jaedong Group 4 will be awesome to watch can't wait to see what Scarlet is going to do :D
You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44228 Posts
August 16 2013 15:40 GMT
#326
why does jaedong have to land on a group with 3 protosses ? seriously
this is a quote
calh
Profile Joined March 2013
537 Posts
August 16 2013 15:54 GMT
#327
On August 17 2013 00:05 sigm wrote:
I agree with this, as they are still reasonably good players, and certainly above any westerners. I'd even give them good chances to beat the EU playing Koreans. I'm certain they'll get out of their groups, I just don't think they'll be able to keep up against the WCS KR squad, that's all.

If Polt gets out of his group, he will have beaten First or Bomber, or both of them.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
August 16 2013 18:41 GMT
#328
I'm really really really really sad I'll be gone all weekend to miss this. Going to be some siiiiiiiiiiick games next weekend.

Group A: Welmu, Rain
Group B: Polt, Grubby(I believe!)
Group C: Innovation, Naniwa(ALL THE BELIEF)
Group D: Maru, Scarlett

:D
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-17 03:24:04
August 17 2013 03:23 GMT
#329
On August 17 2013 00:05 sigm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 06:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Are you seriously arguing that Polt and TaeJa aren't Code S caliber players? Is that really what is happening here?


What I'm saying is that they both were Code S level before the switch. Most likely they wouldn't have won it, but still, a pretty great achievement nonetheless. Then they both switch over to a weaker tournament and do well there, surprising absolutely nobody. Some people might interpret that as them still being in their prime, or even getting better somehow. I don't. I think that both of them are past their prime by now based on results of more than just this one tournament, and if you'd put them back into WCS KR, they'd have a much harder time than before due to diminished skill level. I might be underestimating them, but that's how I see it.

Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 14:01 AxionSteel wrote:
Polt and TaeJa will both go far in this tournament, or at least have great chances to do so.


I agree with this, as they are still reasonably good players, and certainly above any westerners. I'd even give them good chances to beat the EU playing Koreans. I'm certain they'll get out of their groups, I just don't think they'll be able to keep up against the WCS KR squad, that's all.


I think that's a really terrible assessment of their skill, but we'll see I guess.
spalding
Profile Joined August 2010
95 Posts
August 17 2013 03:34 GMT
#330
Nice groups, really looking forward to this.
Taro134
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore20 Posts
August 17 2013 07:11 GMT
#331
The wcs website says semis are Bo7 instead of Bo5.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/brackets
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
August 17 2013 07:54 GMT
#332
On August 17 2013 16:11 Taro134 wrote:
The wcs website says semis are Bo7 instead of Bo5.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/brackets

Last season was bo5 though...
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 17 2013 07:59 GMT
#333
On August 17 2013 16:54 XtreMe_au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 16:11 Taro134 wrote:
The wcs website says semis are Bo7 instead of Bo5.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/brackets

Last season was bo5 though...

Well, last season 1st round of consolation matches was Bo5. I guess they have no fixed agreement on format themselves and so it varies.
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