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On August 09 2013 00:37 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:33 MetalxStorm wrote:On August 09 2013 00:29 rasers wrote:On August 09 2013 00:27 MetalxStorm wrote:On August 09 2013 00:20 monkybone wrote:On August 09 2013 00:18 MetalxStorm wrote:
I applaud Kespa for supporting IM through this, whether IM will compete in proleague or not.
I call for a boycott of LG products in esports until this situation is resolved.... This is simply unacceptable and is at best an exploitation of the IM team that would be overreacting. what will companies think of the lynch-mob mentality of the esports fanbase? it will most likely be off-putting I agree to some extent. I think its one thing if a company decides to withdraw sponsorship, that is fine. But LG really got screwed over here. They could have been operating under a different title sponsor for half a year and actually been receiving money for it. I'm not trying to go for a lynch-mob mentality, but LG and other companies need to know this is unacceptable and will not be tolerated by the teams or the fans. How about you wait for the other side of the story? oh wait doesn't matte rcause the other side isn't at eam with your beloved players so they don't count right?. hmmm... yea I should wait to hear the multi-billion dollar companies side of the story screwing over a team made up of people my age... that seems morally acceptable. Its not that LG's side doesnt matter, its a David getting screwed by Goliath story. Guess who I'm gonna support? yeah lets just blindly believe the beloved team. cause they are the little angels and we can trust them 100%. cause they play starcraft right?.
As I have stated previously, all potential sponsors need to know this is unacceptable throughout the industry. Not just because its IM... who also has LoL teams btw.
And its also not like IM was crying about this the whole time... They kept it quiet for almost a year while their team was slowly sinking into debt.
And its not just trusting IM 100%... in case you missed it here is the news article
http://www.thisisgame.com/esports/news/nboard/162/?n=48429
Done responding to trolls now.
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I was hoping that LGIM would join Proleague.
Aside from that, this really sucks. While I am sure we are not getting the whole picture, this is really sad and unacceptable from LG. Glad KeSPA is putting pressure to get this figured out.
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welcome to the business world. you want a contract, get a signed contract. dont operate under beliefs and dreams.
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On August 08 2013 18:53 Clefairy wrote:
KeSPA saving a eSF team. New president is really great.
While this is great for unity and stuff. IT is not ok for players not getting paid. Korea's teams need to have more weight to thrown around.
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LG just lost all its reputation for me.
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The wording is a bit shaky and it's hard to grasp what happened.
Let's just wait for the verdict. Honestly though, 10,000USD isn't enough to bring a team out of debt for running on self-funds for nearly a year. In fact, it's unfair to your secondary sponsors that they play second fiddle to LG.
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On August 09 2013 00:54 dnld12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 18:53 Clefairy wrote:
KeSPA saving a eSF team. New president is really great. While this is great for unity and stuff. IT is not ok for players not getting paid. Korea's teams need to have more weight to thrown around.
This has happened too often for teams to remain suckers same thing with players. Maybe you shouldn't jump ship if your sponsor is ~1 month behind payment, but in the end you are an idiot if you continue to support anything without getting paid for what 8 months? The same applies to a team not paying a contracted salary or putting up the money for you to go to an event.
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really amateurish from both parts
kinda sad really
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On August 09 2013 00:15 Tabashi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:06 Cracy wrote:
Reading this thread is painful for me. Much more that qq'ing about OP, nerfs and so on.
From an objective point of view all we have here are claims of some people, who have a position allowing them to use public for their support.
Regardless the truth in their statements.
If what they are saying is true, the person responsible for sponsorships in the IM team should lose job immediately for allowing the team to were the LG tags for almost a year without contract. In most cases people do sth like this you are looking for a fraud.
Also, deciding not to buy a company's merchendise because of what PR people did or did not is plain stupid. That a group of people in a company made (if...) a mistake, doesn't mean their products got worse.
And honestly this actions may only backfire your beloved teams in the long term. Your arguments don't make sense at all. How will it backfire on our "beloved teams"? Basically, what you're saying is that we should let this happen, just like this and that it is IM's fault? If we let this go unpunished, other companies will do the exact same thing, you know... Sending LG a mail about how disappointed you are will perhaps make them realize how big of an error they made by not fulfilling their promise(s) to IM. It is my opinion that a company that treats their partners like dirt, deserves some kind of punishment. EDIT: Congratulations to all the mentally dysfunctional people saying that it is IM's own fault. We MUST show some good will, just like IM did, if we want to make eSports a viable thing!
On August 09 2013 00:20 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:18 MetalxStorm wrote:
I applaud Kespa for supporting IM through this, whether IM will compete in proleague or not.
I call for a boycott of LG products in esports until this situation is resolved.... This is simply unacceptable and is at best an exploitation of the IM team that would be overreacting. what will companies think of the lynch-mob mentality of the esports fanbase? it will most likely be off-putting
You see... some people do understand that.
Any large corporation in the world will do anything to diminish risk. Including cutting losses.
Hey, there's a thought. Let's give them some money to show our good will and never deal with them again...
And I have never said it is IM's fault. I provided you with alternative stories.
I stand by what I have written much earlier.
WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO LYNCH ANYONE.
Now, be a big boy and don't listen to press releases... And if you start answering people try reading all they have written. It helps understanding what they are saying.
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Interesting, the one eSF team that everyone thought had no sponsorship problems, in fact, has a sponsorship problem. Not paying IM while they freely show LG as their primary sponsor for months on end is some pretty shitty business practices(assuming what we are being told is all true) by LG. Hopefully this gets resolved.
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On August 09 2013 01:02 Cracy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:15 Tabashi wrote:On August 09 2013 00:06 Cracy wrote:
Reading this thread is painful for me. Much more that qq'ing about OP, nerfs and so on.
From an objective point of view all we have here are claims of some people, who have a position allowing them to use public for their support.
Regardless the truth in their statements.
If what they are saying is true, the person responsible for sponsorships in the IM team should lose job immediately for allowing the team to were the LG tags for almost a year without contract. In most cases people do sth like this you are looking for a fraud.
Also, deciding not to buy a company's merchendise because of what PR people did or did not is plain stupid. That a group of people in a company made (if...) a mistake, doesn't mean their products got worse.
And honestly this actions may only backfire your beloved teams in the long term. Your arguments don't make sense at all. How will it backfire on our "beloved teams"? Basically, what you're saying is that we should let this happen, just like this and that it is IM's fault? If we let this go unpunished, other companies will do the exact same thing, you know... Sending LG a mail about how disappointed you are will perhaps make them realize how big of an error they made by not fulfilling their promise(s) to IM. It is my opinion that a company that treats their partners like dirt, deserves some kind of punishment. EDIT: Congratulations to all the mentally dysfunctional people saying that it is IM's own fault. We MUST show some good will, just like IM did, if we want to make eSports a viable thing! Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:20 monkybone wrote:On August 09 2013 00:18 MetalxStorm wrote:
I applaud Kespa for supporting IM through this, whether IM will compete in proleague or not.
I call for a boycott of LG products in esports until this situation is resolved.... This is simply unacceptable and is at best an exploitation of the IM team that would be overreacting. what will companies think of the lynch-mob mentality of the esports fanbase? it will most likely be off-putting You see... some people do understand that. Any large corporation in the world will do anything to diminish risk. Including cutting losses. Hey, there's a thought. Let's give them some money to show our good will and never deal with them again... And I have never said it is IM's fault. I provided you with alternative stories. I stand by what I have written much earlier. WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO LYNCH ANYONE. Now, be a big boy and don't listen to press releases... And if you start answering people try reading all they have written. It helps understanding what they are saying.
Now, be a big boy and think like one: Why would IM spread false information about this whole situation? The truth will be found out anyway. If IM would lie, they would just dissuade other companies from offering them sponsorship in the future (like I said in my last comment, the last one on page 13 --> And if you start answering people try reading all they have written. It helps understanding what they are saying. <-- Same applies to you, good sir)
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Terrible news for eSports really.
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On August 08 2013 23:31 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:04 dreamseller wrote:
here we have a clear indicator that results mean very little for sponsorship viability in sc2. teams and players should take note, you need to bring more than results to the table for marketability. This! I hope more people read this!
Something EG realized ages ago.
Some koreans seem to think 'Hey, I won a big tournament! Sponsors, you can now throw money at me!!'
Honestly, this looks bad for both sides.
If LG is not interested in sponsoring them anymore, just come clean and say it. Don't let these progamers get their hopes high for nothing. This way it looks like they were leeching these guys (even though they don't need that).
And, IM, too, looks bad here. 10 months!?!? Are you kidding me!? If it was 1 or 2 months of waiting, ok, understandable (I wouldn't wait that long, too, though). Waiting for 10 months is being very naive. Looks like they wanted to pretend to be important, being backed by a big corporation, when there was nothing.
This situation makes me rage.
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On August 09 2013 01:16 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:31 Big-t wrote:On August 08 2013 23:04 dreamseller wrote:
here we have a clear indicator that results mean very little for sponsorship viability in sc2. teams and players should take note, you need to bring more than results to the table for marketability. This! I hope more people read this! Something EG realized ages ago. Some koreans seem to think 'Hey, I won a big tournament! Sponsors, you can now throw money at me!!'
Well this is kind of a touchy topic. In an ideal world (from my POV) the people who perform the best should get rewarded the most, which is obviously not the case and doesn't even need to be discussed anymore. However, I always felt that the Korean audience was a little bit "closer" to this, where they mostly value performance + professionalism/manners, while the Western audience is a bit farther away from this in that sense and puts more value into other things.
I don't think LG-IM did anything wrong the way they presented themselves. They delivered results and their players always seemed very professional and well-behaved. I think in Korea those two factors are still weighing the most, don't they? Unlike, as you mentioned, an organization like EG where they give their sponsors exposure mainly from the personality side with some results sprinkled in here and there.
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what the heck is this ;o good thing the team has been winning a lots of prize money at IEM and from GSTL to cover these costs that aren't being paid
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im done with lg
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I knew there was a reason not to discuss on Internet forums...
I'll bite the bait one last time...
Tabashi, if what you said was true, no one would ever lie about things... Because the truth will come out... And yet, people lie.
And I don't exactly understand why do you talk about a lie. I certainly never said they had.
PR isn't about the truth of lie. It's about perception.
Creating a positive image or creating background for some future actions. Or... managing a fuck-up.
You don't have to lie for that. You just have to cast some light on facts.
I know because I do it for living every other day.
As for IM's faults - I just said that I would hold responsible the person who allowed the IM team to wear LG tags for a year if what was written here was true. That was a fuck-up. Even if you believe they will pay in the end. Even if you are lead to believe so. It still is a fuck-up.
As for LG's faults - I said we have no information regarding their actions. Or even a decision making process.
Given the amount of information we have we can't blame anyone. It is entirely possible that LG screwed up or IM screwed up. And you know what - we will probably never know.
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KeSPA must want IM in the PL.
Sucks for IM. I hope it turns out well for them.
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Amazing to think that EG gets so much crap from the community when they pay their players very well. And actually pay them, not just promise to pay them. And send their players to proper tournaments and give them accomodation to train. And get sponsorship deals with actual companies who give them money and goods. And these actually get delivered by these sponsors. All this should be normal and standard but it seems very rare because of all the dodgy rip-off merchants and scam-artists and criminals involved with SC2.
I've just been reading about Team Smi and their troubles, plus the NanoCloud debacle, then the Azubu conspiracy, and now this the LG-IM sponsorship masquerade. And previously the Maddelisk expose about her old team, the Dimaga wage denial, the Manilla tournament farce, the VeraLynn identity fraud, the Cloud prize-money deferral.
Sad to see all these terrible things keep happening in SC2. There are not too many whales out there, but seemingly a lot of sharks.
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On August 09 2013 01:25 UmberBane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:16 Ace Frehley wrote:On August 08 2013 23:31 Big-t wrote:On August 08 2013 23:04 dreamseller wrote:
here we have a clear indicator that results mean very little for sponsorship viability in sc2. teams and players should take note, you need to bring more than results to the table for marketability. This! I hope more people read this! Something EG realized ages ago. Some koreans seem to think 'Hey, I won a big tournament! Sponsors, you can now throw money at me!!' Well this is kind of a touchy topic. In an ideal world (from my POV) the people who perform the best should get rewarded the most, which is obviously not the case and doesn't even need to be discussed anymore. However, I always felt that the Korean audience was a little bit "closer" to this, where they mostly value performance + professionalism/manners, while the Western audience is a bit farther away from this in that sense and puts more value into other things. I don't think LG-IM did anything wrong the way they presented themselves. They delivered results and their players always seemed very professional and well-behaved. I think in Korea those two factors are still weighing the most, don't they? Unlike, as you mentioned, an organization like EG where they give their sponsors exposure mainly from the personality side with some results sprinkled in here and there.
It's not surprising that those pros who were with SC2 since the beginning would expect the scene to work like that, wasn't it that way in BW as well? where only the best players would become popular?
Even korean LoL still works that way from what I heard in the interview Chobra did with Grilled, there's sadly not enough interest towards SC2 in Korea to sustain all those big sponsorship deals, IM's LoL squads are terrible so not even they can save the team.
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