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Dreamhack Open Moscow in October 2014 - Page 2

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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
August 07 2013 15:44 GMT
#21
How about we don't make this another gay rights debate? I can't possibly see any downsides to more dreamhack.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 15:47:27
August 07 2013 15:45 GMT
#22
I would have hoped that they keep event at Saint Petersburg coz it's much easier to go there as non russian. It's also the most "western" city at russia and I think also safer. (But expensive also )

EDIT:Huge typo
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Vertitto
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland750 Posts
August 07 2013 15:45 GMT
#23
cannot w8 to hear Tetris Theme Song, Katyusha and Kalinka during breaks between the matches. Go Go Dreamhack DJ !
FISH MAKE BLUB BLUB
Eggi
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
478 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 15:47:29
August 07 2013 15:46 GMT
#24
If youre letting politics get in the way of esports,
honestly get off the internet and gaming in general.

It actually disgusts me people are like that.
You're not supporting russia by watching the games, youre supporting esports.

If you do not want to go to the venue(if you live in russia) so be it.
but saying that youre not going to watch(when you live outside of RUS)
Honestly. What the fuck.

it would be the same as if russians were watching MLG and saying
"oh i wont watch MLG because its in america and they *mostly* support gay marriage"

honestly, grow a brain please.
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
August 07 2013 15:47 GMT
#25
Russia is against LGTB, ok, what does that have to do with Dreamhack? I would be fine with having Dreamhack in Saudi Arabia too, more Dreamhack the better!
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
hwatti
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland136 Posts
August 07 2013 15:49 GMT
#26
While I agree that Russian lawmakers and laws are twisted, the people are lovely. Why not let the lovely Russians enjoy a Dreamhack?
Weird side out
phipsL
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany189 Posts
August 07 2013 15:57 GMT
#27
On August 08 2013 00:32 Mauldo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 00:06 arterian wrote:
I guess we can rule out Scarlett attending.


Quoted for truth. I'm not going to watch a tourney that takes place in a country where players are precluded by law in such a vile way.

I guess kudos on the planning it took, but Russia's been mulling the anti-LGBT "propaganda" law for a while now. You consciously decided to not give a shit when you planned the thing, so I consciously decided not to watch.


what does that have to do with scarlett?
I'm a f*cking walking paradox.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
August 07 2013 16:02 GMT
#28
I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 07 2013 16:05 GMT
#29
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.

With what law you have problems?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 07 2013 16:06 GMT
#30
Yeah dude totally! I'm sure the Russian government gives a rat's ass whether DreamHack Moscow gets 50k viewers or 49k... zzzzzzz
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 16:08:09
August 07 2013 16:07 GMT
#31
On August 08 2013 01:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.

With what law you have problems?


The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics (or awarding it somewhere else) I should give this a miss too.
♥ Liquid`Sheth ♥ Liquid`TLO ♥
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 07 2013 16:08 GMT
#32
On August 08 2013 01:07 Iyerbeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 01:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.

With what law you have problems?


The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.


Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
August 07 2013 16:09 GMT
#33
On August 08 2013 01:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 01:07 Iyerbeth wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.

With what law you have problems?


The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.


Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack


Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.
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StarDustNA
Profile Joined June 2011
61 Posts
August 07 2013 16:10 GMT
#34
serious question: can scarlett get in trouble if she attends?
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 07 2013 16:12 GMT
#35
On August 08 2013 01:09 Iyerbeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 01:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:07 Iyerbeth wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.

With what law you have problems?


The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.


Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack


Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.


Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!

really dude? really?
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 07 2013 16:13 GMT
#36
On August 08 2013 01:10 StarDustNA wrote:
serious question: can scarlett get in trouble if she attends?

What this have to do with Scarlett?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
August 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#37
On August 08 2013 01:12 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 01:09 Iyerbeth wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:07 Iyerbeth wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.

With what law you have problems?


The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.


Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack


Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.


Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!

really dude? really?


If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 16:24:05
August 07 2013 16:20 GMT
#38
On August 08 2013 00:41 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 00:32 Mauldo wrote:
On August 08 2013 00:06 arterian wrote:
I guess we can rule out Scarlett attending.


Quoted for truth. I'm not going to watch a tourney that takes place in a country where players are precluded by law in such a vile way.

I guess kudos on the planning it took, but Russia's been mulling the anti-LGBT "propaganda" law for a while now. You consciously decided to not give a shit when you planned the thing, so I consciously decided not to watch.

That haven't stopped people from watching tournaments from other countries that have equally bad laws. Esports shouldn't become some political statement one way or another.


Everything is life is tied together, nothing is separable.

There is nothing wrong with making a political statement with anything. When Chick-Fil-A chose to make a political statement that is irrelevant to their business, that is okay. And when people chose to go or not to go to Chick-Fil-A because of it, that is okay too.

So if people choose not to watch this because it is in Russia, that is okay, regardless of whether they have watched E-Sports events in countries with "equally bad laws" in your opinion. It is up to each individual to decide.

However there is a problem with telling people not to make a political statement when they want to. That is a real problem.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 16:21:40
August 07 2013 16:21 GMT
#39
On August 08 2013 01:18 Iyerbeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 01:12 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:09 Iyerbeth wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:07 Iyerbeth wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.

With what law you have problems?


The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.


Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack


Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.


Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!

really dude? really?


If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.


You're implying the people have any actual power over this, which they don't.

I see you're from the UK, so you're probably not familiar with how things work in good ol' ex-communist Eastern Europe.... How they work in PRACTICE, not in theory, that is.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Pjorren
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden777 Posts
August 07 2013 16:22 GMT
#40
Imagine a Dreamhack DOTA tournament in Moscow. Man that's going to be amazing!
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