On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote: I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.
With what law you have problems?
The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.
Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack
Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.
Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!
really dude? really?
If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.
You're implying the people have any actual power over this, which they don't.
I see you're from the UK, so you're probably not familiar with how things work in good ol' ex-communist Eastern Europe.... How they work in PRACTICE, not in theory, that is.
That sounds like all the more reason to put pressure on the government by boycotting Russian events.
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote: I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.
With what law you have problems?
The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.
Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack
Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.
Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!
really dude? really?
If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.
You're implying the people have any actual power over this, which they don't.
I see you're from the UK, so you're probably not familiar with how things work in good ol' ex-communist Eastern Europe.... How they work in PRACTICE, not in theory, that is.
That sounds like all the more reason to put pressure on the government by boycotting Russian events.
Since this thread is already derailed with all this anti-propaganda law bs, i will just say this: Russian government just does not care about Russian events. Heck, i would bet that they used winter olympics as good cover to get some more money on bank account. On topic: i hope DreamHack shall work, should it actually get there. GL!
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote: I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.
With what law you have problems?
The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.
Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack
Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.
Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!
really dude? really?
If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.
You're implying the people have any actual power over this, which they don't.
I see you're from the UK, so you're probably not familiar with how things work in good ol' ex-communist Eastern Europe.... How they work in PRACTICE, not in theory, that is.
That sounds like all the more reason to put pressure on the government by boycotting Russian events.
Alright. I've tried to help you make an educated and informed decision. If you don't wish to, that's fine as well. But I guarantee that your perspective on this entire issue is far from realistic and won't get anything done.
Seems like an inauspicious time to announce this location, given Putin's absurd war on homosexuality. I won't be watching this one but I'll toast the winner with my American-made charcoal-filtered vodka.
On August 08 2013 01:10 StarDustNA wrote: serious question: can scarlett get in trouble if she attends?
What this have to do with Scarlett?
Do people genuinely do not understand the connection here? I don't want to accuse others of trolling, but.. well, I don't know how to finish that sentence.
On August 08 2013 01:10 StarDustNA wrote: serious question: can scarlett get in trouble if she attends?
What this have to do with Scarlett?
Do people genuinely do not understand the connection here? I don't want to accuse others of trolling, but.. well, I don't know how to finish that sentence.
Since when Scarlett agitates other people go homo? IIRC she never did, so this law has absolutely nothing to do with her. Seriously, i do not understand what this law has to do with Scarlett
On August 08 2013 01:10 StarDustNA wrote: serious question: can scarlett get in trouble if she attends?
What this have to do with Scarlett?
Do people genuinely do not understand the connection here? I don't want to accuse others of trolling, but.. well, I don't know how to finish that sentence.
On August 08 2013 01:10 StarDustNA wrote: serious question: can scarlett get in trouble if she attends?
What this have to do with Scarlett?
Do people genuinely do not understand the connection here? I don't want to accuse others of trolling, but.. well, I don't know how to finish that sentence.
Since when Scarlett agitates other people go homo? IIRC she never did, so this law has absolutely nothing to do with her. Seriously, i do not understand what this law has to do with Scarlett
..because you don't have to be afraid of anything in Russia if you're openly LGBT, right?
On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote: I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.
With what law you have problems?
The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.
Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack
Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.
Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!
really dude? really?
If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.
You're implying the people have any actual power over this, which they don't.
I see you're from the UK, so you're probably not familiar with how things work in good ol' ex-communist Eastern Europe.... How they work in PRACTICE, not in theory, that is.
That sounds like all the more reason to put pressure on the government by boycotting Russian events.
Alright. I've tried to help you make an educated and informed decision. If you don't wish to, that's fine as well. But I guarantee that your perspective on this entire issue is far from realistic and won't get anything done.
Please don't pretend that your opinion is the only 'educated and informed' one. There are boycotts of vodka and attempts at boycotts or removal of the winter olympics because external pressure does work. Your position seems to be the Russian people don't like the law, but can't do anything about it and so we should just ignore it? If so, I disagree.
On August 08 2013 01:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: [quote] With what law you have problems?
The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.
Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack
Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.
Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!
really dude? really?
If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.
You're implying the people have any actual power over this, which they don't.
I see you're from the UK, so you're probably not familiar with how things work in good ol' ex-communist Eastern Europe.... How they work in PRACTICE, not in theory, that is.
That sounds like all the more reason to put pressure on the government by boycotting Russian events.
Alright. I've tried to help you make an educated and informed decision. If you don't wish to, that's fine as well. But I guarantee that your perspective on this entire issue is far from realistic and won't get anything done.
Please don't pretend that your opinion is the only 'educated and informed' one. There are boycotts of vodka and attempts at boycotts or removal of the winter olympics because external pressure does work. Your position seems to be the Russian people don't like the law, but can't do anything about it and so we should just ignore it? If so, I disagree.
As far as I know Dreamhack aren't the ones enforcing the anti-gay law but whatever. If u think the russian government will care if people boycott DH I dont know what you think.
The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.
Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack
Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.
Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!
really dude? really?
If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.
You're implying the people have any actual power over this, which they don't.
I see you're from the UK, so you're probably not familiar with how things work in good ol' ex-communist Eastern Europe.... How they work in PRACTICE, not in theory, that is.
That sounds like all the more reason to put pressure on the government by boycotting Russian events.
Alright. I've tried to help you make an educated and informed decision. If you don't wish to, that's fine as well. But I guarantee that your perspective on this entire issue is far from realistic and won't get anything done.
Please don't pretend that your opinion is the only 'educated and informed' one. There are boycotts of vodka and attempts at boycotts or removal of the winter olympics because external pressure does work. Your position seems to be the Russian people don't like the law, but can't do anything about it and so we should just ignore it? If so, I disagree.
As far as I know Dreamhack aren't the ones enforcing the anti-gay law but whatever. If u think the russian government will care if people boycott DH I dont know what you think.
I've already addressed that, I don't think they will care.
The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.
Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack
Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.
Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!
really dude? really?
If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.
You're implying the people have any actual power over this, which they don't.
I see you're from the UK, so you're probably not familiar with how things work in good ol' ex-communist Eastern Europe.... How they work in PRACTICE, not in theory, that is.
That sounds like all the more reason to put pressure on the government by boycotting Russian events.
Alright. I've tried to help you make an educated and informed decision. If you don't wish to, that's fine as well. But I guarantee that your perspective on this entire issue is far from realistic and won't get anything done.
Please don't pretend that your opinion is the only 'educated and informed' one. There are boycotts of vodka and attempts at boycotts or removal of the winter olympics because external pressure does work. Your position seems to be the Russian people don't like the law, but can't do anything about it and so we should just ignore it? If so, I disagree.
As far as I know Dreamhack aren't the ones enforcing the anti-gay law but whatever. If u think the russian government will care if people boycott DH I dont know what you think.
I normally don't believe that boycotts really do shit, but in this case, I think everything adds up. Olympics, Vodka, Dreamhack, etc, etc, etc.
This thread make me think and I should probably boycott MLG because of the USA government. I guess WCS AM is a nono too then. Wait Blizzard is an American company. Fuck. DH Moscow sounds cool and I bet that the crowd will be loud and cheerful. Perhaps even top the Polish one. ^^
On August 08 2013 00:06 arterian wrote: I guess we can rule out Scarlett attending.
Quoted for truth. I'm not going to watch a tourney that takes place in a country where players are precluded by law in such a vile way.
I guess kudos on the planning it took, but Russia's been mulling the anti-LGBT "propaganda" law for a while now. You consciously decided to not give a shit when you planned the thing, so I consciously decided not to watch.
what does that have to do with scarlett?
I'm just going to assume that's an honest question.
I'm linking directly to Stephen Fry's open letter concerning the Winter Olympics in Russia, and the anti-LGBT propaganda law: Found Here.
In it, he explains that we should not as a world community show Russia that we support them enough to hold something as world-defining as the Winter Olympic games in their country after they have shown such blatant disregard for the LGBT community. Such a vile, direct attack against a group of people should not be support by the IOC, or the world at large. As Stephen Fry says:
Putin is eerily repeating [Hitler's crimes/attitudes/blatant scapegoating with Jews], only this time against LGBT Russians. Beatings, murders and humiliations are ignored by the police. Any defence or sane discussion of homosexuality is against the law. Any statement, for example, that Tchaikovsky was gay and that his art and life reflects this sexuality and are an inspiration to other gay artists would be punishable by imprisonment. It is simply not enough to say that gay Olympians may or may not be safe in their village. The IOC absolutely must take a firm stance on behalf of the shared humanity it is supposed to represent against the barbaric, fascist law that Putin has pushed through the Duma. Let us not forget that Olympic events used not only to be athletic, they used to include cultural competitions. Let us realise that in fact, sport is cultural. It does not exist in a bubble outside society or politics. The idea that sport and politics don’t connect is worse than disingenuous, worse than stupid. It is wickedly, wilfully wrong. Everyone knows politics interconnects with everything for “politics” is simply the Greek for “to do with the people”.
That is why Scarlett probably couldn't go to Dreamhack. She is an open transgender, and any open defense of her lifestyle is AGAINST THE LAW.
We shouldn't show support to any company that would hold their tournament in a location so hostile to one of our own. I don't know if Scarlett was even going to attend, but who cares. The simple fact is that even if she wanted to, she shouldn't in concern for HER LIFE.
I refuse to take part in anything that comes from such a blatant attempt to scapegoat, marginalize, and criminalize a community.
On August 08 2013 01:10 StarDustNA wrote: serious question: can scarlett get in trouble if she attends?
No she can't. Being a gay or transgender ain't forbidden, propaganda is. We're just trying to protect our children. They should choose their fate for themselves when they grow up.
On August 08 2013 02:12 Mauldo wrote:
That is why Scarlett probably couldn't go to Dreamhack. She is an open transgender, and any open defense of her lifestyle is AGAINST THE LAW.
How dumb you are? You don't really know how this law works but you still talk.
On August 08 2013 02:10 AlternativeEgo wrote: This thread make me think and I should probably boycott MLG because of the USA government. I guess WCS AM is a nono too then. Wait Blizzard is an American company. Fuck. DH Moscow sounds cool and I bet that the crowd will be loud and cheerful. Perhaps even top the Polish one. ^^
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