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On August 01 2013 12:03 Doodsmack wrote:
lol @ Mooch's troll...I'm sad I responded to it twice. Maybe I should gift you TL+ just for that.
Didn't know I was trolling, thanks for letting me know.../sarcasm
I honestly don't get some of you guys sometimes. Whatever, I said what I wanted to say somewhat. I'm done battling to get my points across. Lets just hope for the best (for the foreign scene). I'm curious to see a real statement from Theo however. Thanks for the conversation fellas awkward as always here on the interwebs.
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On August 01 2013 07:53 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 07:52 Bayyne wrote:What's going on? It seems like everyday a thread pops up announcing the retirement of someone.  It's a question of lack of results, sustainability to live, little exposure and a dying regional scene with a very bottlenecked platform.
I think most of pro's retire due to not enjoying the game. Remember how foreigners stayed in bw forever, eventhough scene was barely alive.
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I could use a new word besides "retiring." I associate it too strongly with normal age retirement (55 or 65); I think about playing golf, throwing in the towel, getting old, etc. Granted, 30 year old progamers are kind of old for it, and TheOgnis is throwing in the towel, but he's still got plenty of life ahead 
I grew to like him watching that meta (Artosis's show) episode, but didn't know much before. GL
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Oh mah God! I thought he was actually starting to shine a bit. This really makes me sad for the NA scene. I hope he'll be on at least one more episode of Meta to explain some of this.
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well good luck to him, I liked him on Meta, and SOTG(before artosis had to 1up jp)
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I don't care if I am hated for this, but I knew something like this would happen. TheOgnis has always been a whiner. When the 4 range roach patch came out, he blocked me on SC 2 (we used to practice together occassionally) because I didn't agree with him that the new 4 range roach was unbeatable in ZvT. He was literally arguing that David Kim didn't think the roach range patch through and now Terran as a race is doomed. He isn't even that great at this game, GM on NA sure, but that is about it. I don't know why anyone ever liked the guy. I hope in his life he finds what he wants, but this game doesn't seem for him.
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On August 01 2013 11:30 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 11:24 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:17 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:12 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:07 AKIRADEATH wrote:
I just don't get why we're discussing professional streamers in a thread about a retiring progamer. Destiny and Maximus aren't progamers.
I don't imagine progamers who want to be competitive in today's scene have the time to try and also be a streamer of that caliber. They turn on their stream for some ladder games, but a lot of real practice needs to be done offstream. Well the reason I am arguing this is because I feel like most NA players are just missing a piece of the pie if they are not the TOP TOP TOP players, and feel to ignore the entertainment side of things, is just always going to result in retirement. Not to take anything away from what Theo did, dude played some sick games, and if he had fun doing it and feels its time to move on then so be it. He hasn't made an official statement so like i don't really know the real deal of why he quit. I can only assume its income related/life goals and whatever other personal stuff he may have with the game ie burnout and shit like that. Trust me bros streaming is a legit job, it's just like Walmart, you compete against thousands or millions of others for 50 or less slots paying minimum wage. Give me the choice of making minimum wage @ fucking Walmart or playing games, ill choose games 100%. Fuck id choose games over something that even paid more! Buying cars and excess bullshit just doesn't seem right to me, and in fact most people are so fixated on money. You know why? Because that's what the man wants you to do. Society forces these ideas of excess income on people. If you can support yourself, ya know eating, being clothed, roof over your head, not living in shit conditions. What in the actual fuck is wrong with that. Do you really put materialism over happiness? If so that's sad brah. You just missed the entire point that only those 50 make minimum wage, the rest make pocket change.
There are thousands making a very nice living from streaming, and youtube. I suppose you don't venture to other games, and such. WoW, speedrunning, fighting games, hack n slash, league, all various communities make comfortable livings off of twitch. You can become a popular streamer quite easily if you think about a plan, and put it into effect. Either way, I loved Theogbro, sad he's gone.
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In terms of the money situation, let's get real here. According to Aligulac, Theognis is currently #379 in the world. I'd say that's pretty fair. Now let's look at a sport like tennis, which probably has at least 10 times as much money coming in from sponsors, fans, etc. as SC2 has. The #379 ranked male tennis player is a guy called Chase Buchanan. Does anyone want to know how much Chase has made this year? $7,697. His career earnings look better, but most of them come from qualifiers or wild cards into the US Open, an event which on its own makes several times more money than the entire SC2 scene. I'm sorry, the SC2 scene just isn't at the point where players like Theo can expect to get serious money.
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Well you did well Theo GL to your future endeavors
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On August 01 2013 12:32 RagequitBM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 11:30 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:24 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:17 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:12 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:07 AKIRADEATH wrote:
I just don't get why we're discussing professional streamers in a thread about a retiring progamer. Destiny and Maximus aren't progamers.
I don't imagine progamers who want to be competitive in today's scene have the time to try and also be a streamer of that caliber. They turn on their stream for some ladder games, but a lot of real practice needs to be done offstream. Well the reason I am arguing this is because I feel like most NA players are just missing a piece of the pie if they are not the TOP TOP TOP players, and feel to ignore the entertainment side of things, is just always going to result in retirement. Not to take anything away from what Theo did, dude played some sick games, and if he had fun doing it and feels its time to move on then so be it. He hasn't made an official statement so like i don't really know the real deal of why he quit. I can only assume its income related/life goals and whatever other personal stuff he may have with the game ie burnout and shit like that. Trust me bros streaming is a legit job, it's just like Walmart, you compete against thousands or millions of others for 50 or less slots paying minimum wage. Give me the choice of making minimum wage @ fucking Walmart or playing games, ill choose games 100%. Fuck id choose games over something that even paid more! Buying cars and excess bullshit just doesn't seem right to me, and in fact most people are so fixated on money. You know why? Because that's what the man wants you to do. Society forces these ideas of excess income on people. If you can support yourself, ya know eating, being clothed, roof over your head, not living in shit conditions. What in the actual fuck is wrong with that. Do you really put materialism over happiness? If so that's sad brah. You just missed the entire point that only those 50 make minimum wage, the rest make pocket change. There are thousands making a very nice living from streaming, and youtube. I suppose you don't venture to other games, and such. WoW, speedrunning, fighting games, hack n slash, league, all various communities make comfortable livings off of twitch. You can become a popular streamer quite easily if you think about a plan, and put it into effect. Either way, I loved Theogbro, sad he's gone.
TY Glad i'm not the only one who thought that was a very close minded statement.
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On August 01 2013 12:41 Moochlol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 12:32 RagequitBM wrote:On August 01 2013 11:30 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:24 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:17 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:12 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:07 AKIRADEATH wrote:
I just don't get why we're discussing professional streamers in a thread about a retiring progamer. Destiny and Maximus aren't progamers.
I don't imagine progamers who want to be competitive in today's scene have the time to try and also be a streamer of that caliber. They turn on their stream for some ladder games, but a lot of real practice needs to be done offstream. Well the reason I am arguing this is because I feel like most NA players are just missing a piece of the pie if they are not the TOP TOP TOP players, and feel to ignore the entertainment side of things, is just always going to result in retirement. Not to take anything away from what Theo did, dude played some sick games, and if he had fun doing it and feels its time to move on then so be it. He hasn't made an official statement so like i don't really know the real deal of why he quit. I can only assume its income related/life goals and whatever other personal stuff he may have with the game ie burnout and shit like that. Trust me bros streaming is a legit job, it's just like Walmart, you compete against thousands or millions of others for 50 or less slots paying minimum wage. Give me the choice of making minimum wage @ fucking Walmart or playing games, ill choose games 100%. Fuck id choose games over something that even paid more! Buying cars and excess bullshit just doesn't seem right to me, and in fact most people are so fixated on money. You know why? Because that's what the man wants you to do. Society forces these ideas of excess income on people. If you can support yourself, ya know eating, being clothed, roof over your head, not living in shit conditions. What in the actual fuck is wrong with that. Do you really put materialism over happiness? If so that's sad brah. You just missed the entire point that only those 50 make minimum wage, the rest make pocket change. There are thousands making a very nice living from streaming, and youtube. I suppose you don't venture to other games, and such. WoW, speedrunning, fighting games, hack n slash, league, all various communities make comfortable livings off of twitch. You can become a popular streamer quite easily if you think about a plan, and put it into effect. Either way, I loved Theogbro, sad he's gone. TY Glad i'm not the only one who thought that was a very close minded statement.
They're not Starcraft are they?
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On August 01 2013 12:43 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 12:41 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 12:32 RagequitBM wrote:On August 01 2013 11:30 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:24 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:17 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:12 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:07 AKIRADEATH wrote:
I just don't get why we're discussing professional streamers in a thread about a retiring progamer. Destiny and Maximus aren't progamers.
I don't imagine progamers who want to be competitive in today's scene have the time to try and also be a streamer of that caliber. They turn on their stream for some ladder games, but a lot of real practice needs to be done offstream. Well the reason I am arguing this is because I feel like most NA players are just missing a piece of the pie if they are not the TOP TOP TOP players, and feel to ignore the entertainment side of things, is just always going to result in retirement. Not to take anything away from what Theo did, dude played some sick games, and if he had fun doing it and feels its time to move on then so be it. He hasn't made an official statement so like i don't really know the real deal of why he quit. I can only assume its income related/life goals and whatever other personal stuff he may have with the game ie burnout and shit like that. Trust me bros streaming is a legit job, it's just like Walmart, you compete against thousands or millions of others for 50 or less slots paying minimum wage. Give me the choice of making minimum wage @ fucking Walmart or playing games, ill choose games 100%. Fuck id choose games over something that even paid more! Buying cars and excess bullshit just doesn't seem right to me, and in fact most people are so fixated on money. You know why? Because that's what the man wants you to do. Society forces these ideas of excess income on people. If you can support yourself, ya know eating, being clothed, roof over your head, not living in shit conditions. What in the actual fuck is wrong with that. Do you really put materialism over happiness? If so that's sad brah. You just missed the entire point that only those 50 make minimum wage, the rest make pocket change. There are thousands making a very nice living from streaming, and youtube. I suppose you don't venture to other games, and such. WoW, speedrunning, fighting games, hack n slash, league, all various communities make comfortable livings off of twitch. You can become a popular streamer quite easily if you think about a plan, and put it into effect. Either way, I loved Theogbro, sad he's gone. TY Glad i'm not the only one who thought that was a very close minded statement. They're not Starcraft are they?
I'm sorry I wasn't talking about Starcraft only. Hence the Destiny/Maximus References. I'm not that ignorant to ignore that gamer's make money from OTHER games...cmon dawg. Did you really think I was talking purely about SC2 in terms of being an entertainer? I made many references to other games, sources of income blah blah @ one point I even said its important to not corner yourself into one game. And does it really matter that they're not starcraft? It's all the same shit in the end, streaming video games. Or producing content for people who like to consume said content.
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On August 01 2013 12:52 Moochlol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 12:43 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 12:41 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 12:32 RagequitBM wrote:On August 01 2013 11:30 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:24 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:17 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:12 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:07 AKIRADEATH wrote:
I just don't get why we're discussing professional streamers in a thread about a retiring progamer. Destiny and Maximus aren't progamers.
I don't imagine progamers who want to be competitive in today's scene have the time to try and also be a streamer of that caliber. They turn on their stream for some ladder games, but a lot of real practice needs to be done offstream. Well the reason I am arguing this is because I feel like most NA players are just missing a piece of the pie if they are not the TOP TOP TOP players, and feel to ignore the entertainment side of things, is just always going to result in retirement. Not to take anything away from what Theo did, dude played some sick games, and if he had fun doing it and feels its time to move on then so be it. He hasn't made an official statement so like i don't really know the real deal of why he quit. I can only assume its income related/life goals and whatever other personal stuff he may have with the game ie burnout and shit like that. Trust me bros streaming is a legit job, it's just like Walmart, you compete against thousands or millions of others for 50 or less slots paying minimum wage. Give me the choice of making minimum wage @ fucking Walmart or playing games, ill choose games 100%. Fuck id choose games over something that even paid more! Buying cars and excess bullshit just doesn't seem right to me, and in fact most people are so fixated on money. You know why? Because that's what the man wants you to do. Society forces these ideas of excess income on people. If you can support yourself, ya know eating, being clothed, roof over your head, not living in shit conditions. What in the actual fuck is wrong with that. Do you really put materialism over happiness? If so that's sad brah. You just missed the entire point that only those 50 make minimum wage, the rest make pocket change. There are thousands making a very nice living from streaming, and youtube. I suppose you don't venture to other games, and such. WoW, speedrunning, fighting games, hack n slash, league, all various communities make comfortable livings off of twitch. You can become a popular streamer quite easily if you think about a plan, and put it into effect. Either way, I loved Theogbro, sad he's gone. TY Glad i'm not the only one who thought that was a very close minded statement. They're not Starcraft are they? I'm sorry I wasn't talking about Starcraft only. Hence the Destiny/Maximus References. I'm not that ignorant to ignore that gamer's make money from OTHER games...cmon dawg. Did you really think I was talking purely about SC2 in terms of being an entertainer? I made many references to other games, sources of income blah blah @ one point I even said its important to not corner yourself into one game. And does it really matter that they are other games? It's all the same shit in the end, streaming video games.
No it isn't, because your rationale behind even pursuing the gaming thing as a job is the passion for the game.
Passion for SC2 does not = passion for other games, it can do but not necessarily.
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Sad to hear, Micheal we've played starcraft together since the good ole days of Brood War and have recently got back in touch after a long time. Definitely sad to see you go and now we cant drink in November together
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On August 01 2013 12:53 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 12:52 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 12:43 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 12:41 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 12:32 RagequitBM wrote:On August 01 2013 11:30 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:24 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:17 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:12 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:07 AKIRADEATH wrote:
I just don't get why we're discussing professional streamers in a thread about a retiring progamer. Destiny and Maximus aren't progamers.
I don't imagine progamers who want to be competitive in today's scene have the time to try and also be a streamer of that caliber. They turn on their stream for some ladder games, but a lot of real practice needs to be done offstream. Well the reason I am arguing this is because I feel like most NA players are just missing a piece of the pie if they are not the TOP TOP TOP players, and feel to ignore the entertainment side of things, is just always going to result in retirement. Not to take anything away from what Theo did, dude played some sick games, and if he had fun doing it and feels its time to move on then so be it. He hasn't made an official statement so like i don't really know the real deal of why he quit. I can only assume its income related/life goals and whatever other personal stuff he may have with the game ie burnout and shit like that. Trust me bros streaming is a legit job, it's just like Walmart, you compete against thousands or millions of others for 50 or less slots paying minimum wage. Give me the choice of making minimum wage @ fucking Walmart or playing games, ill choose games 100%. Fuck id choose games over something that even paid more! Buying cars and excess bullshit just doesn't seem right to me, and in fact most people are so fixated on money. You know why? Because that's what the man wants you to do. Society forces these ideas of excess income on people. If you can support yourself, ya know eating, being clothed, roof over your head, not living in shit conditions. What in the actual fuck is wrong with that. Do you really put materialism over happiness? If so that's sad brah. You just missed the entire point that only those 50 make minimum wage, the rest make pocket change. There are thousands making a very nice living from streaming, and youtube. I suppose you don't venture to other games, and such. WoW, speedrunning, fighting games, hack n slash, league, all various communities make comfortable livings off of twitch. You can become a popular streamer quite easily if you think about a plan, and put it into effect. Either way, I loved Theogbro, sad he's gone. TY Glad i'm not the only one who thought that was a very close minded statement. They're not Starcraft are they? I'm sorry I wasn't talking about Starcraft only. Hence the Destiny/Maximus References. I'm not that ignorant to ignore that gamer's make money from OTHER games...cmon dawg. Did you really think I was talking purely about SC2 in terms of being an entertainer? I made many references to other games, sources of income blah blah @ one point I even said its important to not corner yourself into one game. And does it really matter that they are other games? It's all the same shit in the end, streaming video games. No it isn't, because your rationale behind even pursuing the gaming thing as a job is the passion for the game. Passion for SC2 does not = passion for other games, it can do but not necessarily.
What? My passion for SC2 means I cannot be passionate about other games? What does that even mean. If I want to be an entertainer in SC2 sure ill play SC2, but the same thing that makes an entertainer popular in SC is basically what makes anyone successful in streaming gaming content.
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On August 01 2013 12:55 Moochlol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 12:53 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 12:52 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 12:43 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 12:41 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 12:32 RagequitBM wrote:On August 01 2013 11:30 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:24 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 11:17 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2013 11:12 Moochlol wrote:
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Well the reason I am arguing this is because I feel like most NA players are just missing a piece of the pie if they are not the TOP TOP TOP players, and feel to ignore the entertainment side of things, is just always going to result in retirement. Not to take anything away from what Theo did, dude played some sick games, and if he had fun doing it and feels its time to move on then so be it. He hasn't made an official statement so like i don't really know the real deal of why he quit. I can only assume its income related/life goals and whatever other personal stuff he may have with the game ie burnout and shit like that. Trust me bros streaming is a legit job, it's just like Walmart, you compete against thousands or millions of others for 50 or less slots paying minimum wage. Give me the choice of making minimum wage @ fucking Walmart or playing games, ill choose games 100%. Fuck id choose games over something that even paid more! Buying cars and excess bullshit just doesn't seem right to me, and in fact most people are so fixated on money. You know why? Because that's what the man wants you to do. Society forces these ideas of excess income on people. If you can support yourself, ya know eating, being clothed, roof over your head, not living in shit conditions. What in the actual fuck is wrong with that. Do you really put materialism over happiness? If so that's sad brah. You just missed the entire point that only those 50 make minimum wage, the rest make pocket change. There are thousands making a very nice living from streaming, and youtube. I suppose you don't venture to other games, and such. WoW, speedrunning, fighting games, hack n slash, league, all various communities make comfortable livings off of twitch. You can become a popular streamer quite easily if you think about a plan, and put it into effect. Either way, I loved Theogbro, sad he's gone. TY Glad i'm not the only one who thought that was a very close minded statement. They're not Starcraft are they? I'm sorry I wasn't talking about Starcraft only. Hence the Destiny/Maximus References. I'm not that ignorant to ignore that gamer's make money from OTHER games...cmon dawg. Did you really think I was talking purely about SC2 in terms of being an entertainer? I made many references to other games, sources of income blah blah @ one point I even said its important to not corner yourself into one game. And does it really matter that they are other games? It's all the same shit in the end, streaming video games. No it isn't, because your rationale behind even pursuing the gaming thing as a job is the passion for the game. Passion for SC2 does not = passion for other games, it can do but not necessarily. What? Nevermind. Not even worth it.
I like progressive metal music and jazz. It's quite a niche thing, hard to make money from. Somebody suggests that I make RnB music in the style of Rihanna because I can make money. 'It's all music right?'
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@ izmatic Bro these people just try to rip you apart. I'm not the kind of person to let my points get shit on, taken out of context and spun in ways unintended. So I tried to fight back, to make myself clear. Obv that is a hard task here on TL. I'm sorry I even bothered @ this point. If it seemed i'm trying to hijack this thread that was not my intention.
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you will be missed theo! =/
@mooch are you writing a book bro? i thought this was about a player retiring, not your blog on how to be a pro streamer.... or how to hijack a thread
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