EPT[QUOTE]On July 23 2013 05:57 Rhaegal wrote:
considering most SC2 fans are also big Dota 2 fans. .[/QUOTE]
Speak for yourself, I might give TI3 a watch but I couldnt care less about dota.
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
[QUOTE]On July 23 2013 05:57 Rhaegal wrote: considering most SC2 fans are also big Dota 2 fans. .[/QUOTE] Speak for yourself, I might give TI3 a watch but I couldnt care less about dota. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:09 Emzeeshady wrote: I know, that was the whole point of my comment. The only problem is twitch will be laggy due to the sheer amount of people on it. Of course, so what were you questioning in the first place? Twitch shouldn't be awful for us in the Americas because a lot of people will probably jump to the client. Europe's pretty screwed though. | ||
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:04 Turbulencedota wrote: Well, dota 2 and starcraft hold hands(usually) to push e-sports to mainstream. They collaborate. Blizzard just shot themselves in the foot with this. WCS will have low viewer count, and even than, one can speculate how many of those viewers will run WCS in the background while watching TI3 So an "expected" lower viewer count will somehow make you enjoy the games less? I just want to watch Soulkey and MVP straight up smash kids, if there were 10 viewers it wouldn't affect the games... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:12 schaf wrote: I'm wondering about that as well. Even if you really are into both games, it's hard anough to have a kind-of-normal life and still follow the SC2 scene. I guess DOTA2's is not much smaller (haha)... I just don't think it's really feasible to follow both games and not leaving out some things (like SPL or, for example a WCS not of your region). And what about weekend-events that have both games? oO I am not going to watch all of TI3 or WCS, even if they were on different weekends. I have yard work to do. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:12 schaf wrote: I'm wondering about that as well. Even if you really are into both games, it's hard anough to have a kind-of-normal life and still follow the SC2 scene. I guess DOTA2's is not much smaller (haha)... I just don't think it's really feasible to follow both games and not leaving out some things (like SPL or, for example a WCS not of your region). And what about weekend-events that have both games? oO Yeah, can we get the mods to comment on this (based on user preferences I guess)? I see some people making the claim that there is significant overlap in the fan-base but that doesn't make sense to me intuitively. TL is probably has solid data on this. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:14 Rhaegal wrote: So an "expected" lower viewer count will somehow make you enjoy the games less? I just want to watch Soulkey and MVP straight up smash kids, if there were 10 viewers it wouldn't affect the games... Lower viewer counts are bad for the game, and this will be the biggest test on twitch's service that I can think of to date. And I love watching WCS and dota 2, but TI3 is just too big of a deal to miss, and with blizzard making the decision, it's their loss. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 23 2013 04:28 Finrod1 wrote: How stupid is this? Many sc2 fans are dota2 fans aswell. I'm not going to miss ti3 so... thats it then. edit: and we probably cant watch either because twitch will be dead^^ well so many sc2 events we cant look even for OTHER games and i personally dont know any person who watch both (more lol sc2 etc) so ... its impossible to not hit aynthing i rly rly dont think sc2 should look for dota2 ... i mean really next time we look for football (not handegg) or what ? i mean come on ... sc2 is best and sc2 watchers know  if someone have to decide between dota2 and sc2 finals ... thats not a questions guys | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:02 Random_Guy09 wrote: Speak for yourself, I might give TI3 a watch but I couldnt care less about dota. If only I would kill everyone that responses to a "most people are xxx" question with "well, i am not" | ||
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
They've also proved countless times that they're fucking retarded. | ||
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
I first came to TL for SC/SC2, but now I'm sticking around mostly for DotA2... | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:16 Yoshi- wrote: If only I would kill everyone that responses to a "most people are xxx" question with "well, i am not" well perhaps the "most people" sentences (is no question) is the problem ??? because you generalize from YOUR point of view, me having like 100 guys in sc2 and i think 2 or so watch or play dota2 ? i mean dont speak for everyone because you wont hit everyone On July 23 2013 06:18 RiSkysc2 wrote: Blizzard has proved in the past that if we scream and shout loud enough they will budge. They've also proved countless times that they're fucking retarded. ok then i scream louder GOOD DATE because all other dates would be horrible for me its like perfect fitting xD | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:08 c0ldfusion wrote: Since we're all talking about this now anyway, I just want to throw this question out there, is there actually a big overlap between Dota2 spectators and SC2 spectators? Part of the point of Blizzard supporting esports and WCS is because they want to ATTRACT new viewers to their game. Blizzard isn't planning on making any significant money on stream revenue and viewer count. Blizzard is counting on esports maintaining and growing the SC2 fan base so that people: a) Buy SC2/HotS; b) Will buy LotV when it finally comes out; and c) To some extent, grow to like the Blizzard brand more and consider buying their other products. So, Blizzard doesn't gain anything from people keeping the stream open in the background, for example. Blizzard needs to win mindshare, and I think this is very counter-productive (by killing a lot of the hype for WCS by triple-booking themselves on one weekend and then also trying to compete with TI3 for viewership while simultaneously giving up any chance of pulling in a DOTA2 player who might consider checking out this WCS thing if it were on any other weekend). | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
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Turbulencedota
Romania29 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:14 Rhaegal wrote: So an "expected" lower viewer count will somehow make you enjoy the games less? I just want to watch Soulkey and MVP straight up smash kids, if there were 10 viewers it wouldn't affect the games... e-sports is not just about the quality of the games anymore. Teams will get less exposure in WCS >> bad for sponsors, etc. | ||
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Turbulencedota
Romania29 Posts
[QUOTE]On July 23 2013 06:02 Random_Guy09 wrote: [QUOTE]On July 23 2013 05:57 Rhaegal wrote: considering most SC2 fans are also big Dota 2 fans. .[/QUOTE] Speak for yourself, I might give TI3 a watch but I couldnt care less about dota.[/QUOTE] Well, maybe you're going to care about WCS being on the same date as TI when some sc2 sponsors will pull out because of the shitty management of Blizzard | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:19 Turbulencedota wrote: e-sports is not just about the quality of the games anymore. Teams will get less exposure in WCS >> bad for sponsors, etc. wcs is a minus so whatever blizzard still pump the money in, perhaps they learn not to make all 1 day and split eu and us to finals too [QUOTE]On July 23 2013 06:20 Turbulencedota wrote: [QUOTE]On July 23 2013 06:12 Usagi wrote: [QUOTE]On July 23 2013 06:02 Random_Guy09 wrote: [QUOTE]On July 23 2013 05:57 Rhaegal wrote: considering most SC2 fans are also big Dota 2 fans. .[/QUOTE] Speak for yourself, I might give TI3 a watch but I couldnt care less about dota.[/QUOTE] Well, maybe you're going to care about WCS being on the same date as TI when some sc2 sponsors will pull out because of the shitty management of Blizzard[/QUOTE] meh as if the finals would have bad viewercounts ^^ it will be nice as usual ... nothing to fear | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:16 Yoshi- wrote: If only I would kill everyone that responses to a "most people are xxx" question with "well, i am not" How about backing up random bullshit claims like "most SC2 fans are also big Dota 2 fans" with some factual evidence instead?  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:18 RiSkysc2 wrote: Blizzard has proved in the past that if we scream and shout loud enough they will budge. They've also proved countless times that they're fucking retarded. They might be able to move EU, but NA has to be that weekend or the end of August. And if its the end of August, they won't have enough time for season 3 and Blizzcon. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:16 Yoshi- wrote: If only I would kill everyone that responses to a "most people are xxx" question with "well, i am not" why? It wasn't even a question, just a bold statement with no source. Feel free to say that you are, but I think it's a valuable contribution as long as there are not 200 people doing that at once | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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