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On July 23 2013 04:16 Canucklehead wrote:
The problem is it doesn't matter how big LG is, since all that matters is how much money they give to IM. To be honest, I don't think it's that much, but I'm just guessing. I remember the IM coach was doing a facebook campaign to get people to message LG to tell them how much they like them sponsoring IM because he said they were considering not renewing the sponsorship.
Agree with this point.
I totally forgot there was evidence that points to LG not feeling fulfilled--I was mostly going off what other companies the size of LG were doing.
Another poster brought up how much RedBull sponsors and that's a great point.
The TYPE of marketing a company is used to is just as important as how much they spend on advertising overall.
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The EG-TL going out of Proleague is not a certainty though.
They said they are considering options and imo it will come down to "can we hire a good enough coach to make sure we get most out of the league for a money we are able/we want to pay him?"
One more thing I don't really understand - to a Korean team with already established enviroment, like LG-IM, like ST, like MVP... what exactly is the "notoriously expensive" part of joining SPL? 100k deposit, sure - but they are not really spending those money, they will have it returned if they play all the matches. So what is the difference between SPL and GSTL in that regard?
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What would be really cool to see is a finals between the winner of GSTL and Proleague. Kind of like the Superbowl used to be with American Football(HandEgg) back in the AFL/NFL days
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On July 23 2013 04:19 Ammanas wrote:
The EG-TL going out of Proleague is not a certainty though.
They said they are considering options and imo it will come down to "can we hire a good enough coach to make sure we get most out of the league for a money we are able/we want to pay him?"
One more thing I don't really understand - to a Korean team with already established enviroment, like LG-IM, like ST, like MVP... what exactly is the "notoriously expensive" part of joining SPL? 100k deposit, sure - but they are not really spending those money, they will have it returned if they play all the matches. So what is the difference between SPL and GSTL in that regard?
1, Yeah, I was being a bit dramatic about EG-TL
2. Wasn't aware it was just a deposit
3. Even still, it's still difficult to have 100k locked up from a sponsor to not do anything with for a year. It ties up your sponsor's cash--which is still an onerous commitment for them.
I think for EG-TL it will come down to "can we really compete and win in this league without it being our first priority"
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MVP as an organization actually has a lot more sponsors than it seems.
From Leaguepedia:
Expedia
Ozone
HOT6iX
BenQ
I suppose Expedia would be the biggest one company-wise, but that's just a guess.
Also one of their LoL squads, MVP Ozone, is one of the best teams in Korea right now. They won the last season of OGN Champions, stomping CJ Entus 3-0 (I guess that result should show their importance).
I'm pretty sure that if we theorycraft this topic, we have to factor in things like this aswell. KeSPA can NOT miss out on MVP for their LoL league, so it wouldn't be too unrealistic for them to join Proleague at the same time, I guess (I hope)?
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On July 23 2013 04:18 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Maybe you should wait until they have made their decision. Maybe Papa john sponsors the training house in Korea. + Show Spoiler +We could call it Pizza Hut EG-TL is not out of Proleague yet.
They might not be out of it yet but lets face the facts. EG-TL appeals to the non-Korean audience and are trying to compete in a Korean league that comes on at a bad time for basically everyone else in the world. Proleague is also very cut-throat, all of the 7 other teams focus primarily on Proleague, EG-TL focuses on Proleague but also put a strong emphasis on individual tournaments(MLG, WCS, DH, etc..). It is hard to compete when you have your best player(s) traveling half way around the world every month where they get more exposure and potentially miss a Proleague match. If they want to be competitive in Proleague they are going to have to really buckle down and focus solely on it just like every other team. Keep in mind, the skill level of the players in general is only going to go up overtime, HotS is still relatively new.
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United States37 Posts
Can anyone elaborate on how/why Proleague is so expensive? What exactly are the financial costs of participating in Proleague?
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On July 23 2013 04:28 Stress wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:18 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Maybe you should wait until they have made their decision. Maybe Papa john sponsors the training house in Korea. + Show Spoiler +We could call it Pizza Hut EG-TL is not out of Proleague yet. They might not be out of it yet but lets face the facts. EG-TL appeals to the non-Korean audience and are trying to compete in a Korean league that comes on at a bad time for basically everyone else in the world. Proleague is also very cut-throat, all of the 7 other teams focus primarily on Proleague, EG-TL focuses on Proleague but also put a strong emphasis on individual tournaments(MLG, WCS, DH, etc..). It is hard to compete when you have your best player(s) traveling half way around the world every month where they get more exposure and potentially miss a Proleague match. If they want to be competitive in Proleague they are going to have to really buckle down and focus solely on it just like every other team. Keep in mind, the skill level of the players in general is only going to go up overtime, HotS is still relatively new.
I agree with what you are saying. Still, making the decision is not that easy and has not been made yet so I would wait and see first.
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On July 23 2013 04:22 UmberBane wrote:
KeSPA can NOT miss out on MVP Ozone for their LoL league.
And same goes for both LG-IM teams, imo.
+ Show Spoiler [my little LoL rant] +btw, I really like to watch Korean LoL, but man I just cannot watch those broadcast cause it makes me sad seeing the packed studio and fangirl screams.. When I realize all this was supposed to be reserved for Flash and JangBi and Jaedong etc etc, I am just feeling depressed all the time :/
On July 23 2013 04:30 qGSkipper wrote:
Can anyone elaborate on how/why Proleague is so expensive? What exactly are the financial costs of participating in Proleague?
Afaik (I can be mistaken though, I've never followed BW and all I know about SPL is from this season and lots of BW liquipedia I read after I started to like the league):
-you have to have a big roster to be able to compete (which shouldn't really be that much of an issue for already established ESF teams like IM, ST, MVP imo)
-you have to pay 100k deposit (they will return you the money after sucessfully finishing the season)
-I am not aware of anything else, that would separate SPL from GSTL on the financial side
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Man, this thread is terrible. EG-TL is not out. And comparing company revenue, really? you must be kidding.
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On July 23 2013 04:30 qGSkipper wrote:
Can anyone elaborate on how/why Proleague is so expensive? What exactly are the financial costs of participating in Proleague?
I believe the teams have to put a 100k deposit upfront that they get back at the end of the season if they finish the whole thing.
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My main question is where is your source? You can't just do a write up of certain companies and teams with out any kind of off site information that proves your statements. I only take this as blasphemy and you just trying to bring down teams and their key role in certain tournaments, leagues. If you want to be taken serious, you need to provide evidence and not just post pictures that anybody could have made.
Only reason why I call you out on it, is because Acer is actually still making profit gains. Even though they're not making as much as they used to at one point. They still make profit in every quarter.
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2013/05/07/acer_q1_2013/
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United States33560 Posts
I find that graph to be almost entirely pointless
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I don't know... Proleague has really become bad in terms of production and viewer numbers, live stage and live crowd. Is investing into a tournament like that so heavily really a sound choice for a sponsor who seeks to spend money in competitive gaming or aren't there better ways?
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On July 23 2013 04:35 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:22 UmberBane wrote:
KeSPA can NOT miss out on MVP Ozone for their LoL league. And same goes for both LG-IM teams, imo. + Show Spoiler [my little LoL rant] +btw, I really like to watch Korean LoL, but man I just cannot watch those broadcast cause it makes me sad seeing the packed studio and fangirl screams.. When I realize all this was supposed to be reserved for Flash and JangBi and Jaedong etc etc, I am just feeling depressed all the time :/
I know exaclty what you mean by the little "rant". For me it's always really bittersweet - a very confusing feeling.
To be blunt about LG-IM though, both their teams are on the bottom of the OGN league skill-wise right now, making them only a top 16 or maybe top 12 team in Korea.
Man, If the SC2 and the LoL squads were swapped for both teams, we wouldn't have to theorycraft who'd be the next PL team!  That would be perfect.
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On July 23 2013 04:35 edgeOut wrote:
Man, this thread is terrible. EG-TL is not out. And comparing company revenue, really? you must be kidding.
On July 23 2013 04:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My main question is where is your source? You can't just do a write up of certain companies and teams with out any kind of off site information that proves your statements. I only take this as blasphemy and you just trying to bring down teams and their key role in certain tournaments, leagues. If you want to be taken serious, you need to provide evidence and not just post pictures that anybody could have made.
You can find the revenues of these companies that sponsor the teams on wikipedia. He's making an analysis of which possible esf teams can and will enter proleague.
I don't see why you people are so angry.
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The obvious solution is just to keep merging in Western teams into EG-TL.
EG-TL-Ax-Ac-Al
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On July 23 2013 04:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:35 edgeOut wrote:
Man, this thread is terrible. EG-TL is not out. And comparing company revenue, really? you must be kidding. Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My main question is where is your source? You can't just do a write up of certain companies and teams with out any kind of off site information that proves your statements. I only take this as blasphemy and you just trying to bring down teams and their key role in certain tournaments, leagues. If you want to be taken serious, you need to provide evidence and not just post pictures that anybody could have made. You can find the revenues of these companies that sponsor the teams on wikipedia. He's making an analysis of which possible esf teams can and will enter proleague.
Yes, but why doesn't he include this? This is just bad reporting. A user isn't suppose to search for it, he needs to be able to include all kinds of sources that backs up his story. Like I said, I can just take this as blasphemy since there is no kind of sources.
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I'm just going to ignore this; goes to show you don't even research yourself. Those revenues/net incomes haven't been updated in years.
SK - Revenue Increase USD 13.601 billion (2010)
Acer - Revenue Decrease US$16.18 billion (2011)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull - Doesn't even have the revenue or net income.
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