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Today I am proud and pleased to present, once again, Team sMi. Some of you may know us from our history in BroodWar, and some of you from SC2 amateur leagues. Over the course of BroodWar we were known as one of North America's strongest teams with a lineup featuring many top players (NonY, KawaiiRice, NerO, lastgosu, wannabecool, Suppy, LzGaMeR, iNkA, Stalife, Saddles, and the list goes on). When BroodWar was winding down and the launch of SC2 was drawing closer, we became less active and lost a good chunk of our top players. By the time SC2 hit the scene, we only had Wannabecool still on our roster until he left to pursue an opportunity with It's Gosu eSports.
Over the course of the last three years, we have done what we could to build up our reputation within the community of new amateur teams. I believe that we've done a good job of that. We've competed in just about every league an amateur team could possibly compete in and done fairly well without a sponsor. Our players were and are home grown Master-Grand Master level talents. From time to time we would lose some of them due to the fact that they had out grown what we could offer them without any other type of support. Today, this changes!
Allow me to introduce our starting roster:
The players will be equipped with gear from Razer and Alienware as long as they are with us. We however are not "sponsored" by either company. We do have some behind the scenes investments coming in that I cannot discuss as the investor/s would like to remain anonymous. However, myself and the rest of the management team will do whatever we need to do to support our players even if it has to come out of our own pockets.
And now, here are the people behind the scenes:
Our Philosophy
We strive to make each and every player that is under the sMi tag feel like they are part of a family rather than just a team. We want them all to feel that they can go to anyone within the team about anything. Be it life, SC2, school, or something else, we do what we can to support one another with anything. We care about the well-being of each and every player on our roster and our first priority is to them. We make sure that each and every one of them understands that they can come to us with anything on their minds and try to check in with them whenever we have the opportunity to. We want to know if there is anything bothering them or to just see how things are going for them, not just in SC2, but in their life in general. This is the sort of philosophy that sMi was built on. We're laid back, but very serious when we need to be, and always there for one another. Once you're part of sMi, you're always part of our family.
On that note, I'd like to explain why we won't be calling the players listed above our "Pro Team" and why we call them our "Starters" instead. The reasoning behind this is so that there is as little separation between them and the other sMi members as possible. We believe that a great community and team is as close to one another as it can be. Any large separation between them is a bad. We won't have any sMi Academy or sMi Pro Team, we are and always will be just Team sMi. The only distinction between the "Starters" and the others is that the "Starters" are who will represent sMi in major things and start for the team in team leagues. We want everyone under the sMi banner to mingle and get along as much as possible. A great community behind you is the most important kind of support a player and team can have. That is what the non-starters are, great community support. If one of our "Starters" ever show that they are consistently bad manner and don't get along with others on the team, we will let them go regardless of who they are. No one is too important to act like the world revolves around them.
Goals
We hope to be able to re-establish ourselves as one of the top North American based teams, only this time in SC2. To accomplish this, we hope to have great showings at some of the major tournaments around the globe (MLG, NASL, IEM, HSC, etc.) in due time, win and compete at the top level of team leagues, and of course display our prowess on the ladder. As a team, we want our individual players to consistently improve themselves and accomplish, not only their SC2 goals, but their personal goals as well. In good time, hopefully we'll be able to gain a healthy amount of support from the community and be able to live up to your expectations.
Thank all of you for taking the time to read this. You can expect to hear great things from us in the near future. We look forward to your support!
http://www.smiteam.net
@sMiTeamSC2
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Cool!
Wish you the best of luck :D
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I haven't heard of many of these players, but I wish you guys luck! You guys and Clarity along with some of the other American teams can hopefully revitalize the scene  .
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I know a few members from sMi and they are great people. GOGO DAYZ Fighting!
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Are you guys still active in BW?
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so you recently just got some NA GM level players join and now its time to "introduce" your team...k
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On July 14 2013 09:08 playLoud wrote:
so you recently just got some NA GM level players join and now its time to "introduce" your team...k
But thats how high level teams operate, or didn't you know?!
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Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players?
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go Ryan "onetrickpony" Lee
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hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY
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On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY
haha oh the good ol' days.
On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players?
At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here.
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On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here.
Not very secret tbh. Most people know about the offers and how the team is being ran atm.
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speaking of old BW clans does ToT) or AFM still exist?
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On July 14 2013 09:30 FXOkaRmy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Not very secret tbh. Most people know about the offers and how the team is being ran atm.
I'm unsure what you mean by "how the team is being ran." I run the team and have since 2006. I helped form sMi in 2005 and have always been involved in the management of the team.
If you know of it, then good for you, that still doesn't mean I'll divulge that information for all of the world to see. When the time comes that I can discuss those things, I will inform all of you. However, player salaries/deals are still inappropriate to discuss out in public.
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can't imagine any of those players deserving a salary...but i guess i could be wrong.
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Are your starter players/staff full time or is sc2 not their primary source of income?
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On July 14 2013 09:40 Whiplash wrote:
Are your starter players/staff full time or is sc2 not their primary source of income?
Some of the players go to school and play SC2. That's all. Some of the staff is the same way, however some of us have full time 8-5 jobs and use that as a means to support the team as well.
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#smifighting!!! so excited to make a splash in the scene and hopefully revitalize NA sc2. Look forward to us in teamleagues and follow our players! The support of the community means alot to us
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Good to see sMi. back in action =] Fun rivalry back in BW with you guys haha. Good luck again to sMi!
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Good to see a new NA team with salaried players start up again. Hopefully this helps foster each one of their skill's and leads to a competitive NA team.
sMi hwaiting ~~
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When will the Sponsors be released/told to everyone?
Quite interesting way you put together the team,good luck!
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On July 14 2013 10:49 endy wrote:
Did op say Saddles ?
It did, and I want him to come out of the closet for me, I know he loves me. (He may not know it right off bat because of the id I am on, but if he knew my old id he'd say butt sechs is a go!)
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Pretty cool seeing a new NA team with some heavy hitters. Expecting some big results soon!
glhf sMiFighting!
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Another new team.. sigh..
User was warned for this post
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On July 14 2013 11:18 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Another new team.. sigh..
not a new team, just a team with rich history getting new players.
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gl jim druglord rising, gl ryan gosu lee.
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gl Brett Engle NewB, you rock!
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So is sMi a clan that anyone can join or are there requirements or something?
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What do I have to do to be a starter player for smi
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On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here.
Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right?
Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not?
Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"?
Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered?
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On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered?
absolutely my sentiments. i can't easily follow a team that has a long pedigree of players leaving because they presumably have no compensation since there isn't any visible sponsor.
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On July 14 2013 13:13 blobrus wrote:
So is sMi a clan that anyone can join or are there requirements or something?
There are requirements. For the roster team is highly competitive contracted players. For the non-contracted players, there is still a high level of skill and good manners expected. If you are interested in joining and are a masters or GM level player, then feel free to hang around in the chat channel and get to know the team as this will increase your chances of potentially joining.
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On July 14 2013 13:22 Let it Raine wrote:
What do I have to do to be a starter player for smi
There is alot that goes into it. You have to be very good at the game(top gm player) as well as very mannered. The starter players are those who are contracted and need to fulfill their end of the contract requirements. It isn't easy.
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On July 14 2013 10:42 Yip12343 wrote:
When will the Sponsors be released/told to everyone?
Quite interesting way you put together the team,good luck!
Thanks Yip! Good to hear from ya. We wont be releasing the sponsor as its a private sponsor that only the players and managers know. Hope to see you around bud!
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man I remember chilling in the sMi channels back in bw, I learned so much from them yet I never really saw the team in sc2
glad to learn about the team coming back into view
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On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered?
Our gear is from alienware and razer. This is all I can say. Our sponsor would like to be private. We agreed to these terms set out by the sponsor. The players and managers know the sponsor and the contracts further dismay any concerns any of us had!
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On July 14 2013 13:35 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? absolutely my sentiments. i can't easily follow a team that has a long pedigree of players leaving because they presumably have no compensation since there isn't any visible sponsor.
If our private investor/s wish to not be known, why should I inform everyone of who they are? As stated by Nano, the players will be equipped with gear by Razer and Alienware. Any further information would be like biting the hand that feeds you...
I would also like to make it clear that the players that left us before either went inactive and stopped playing the game competitively or moved on to better opportunities that we couldn't offer. It was all on good terms. We've never promised any of our players anything and not followed through with it.
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Wicked cool. Onetrickpony is freaking amazing player!
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On July 14 2013 14:01 DirtyBirD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:35 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? absolutely my sentiments. i can't easily follow a team that has a long pedigree of players leaving because they presumably have no compensation since there isn't any visible sponsor. If our private investor/s wish to not be known, why should I inform everyone of who they are? As stated by Nano, the players will be equipped with gear by Razer and Alienware. Any further information would be like biting the hand that feeds you...
there was no mention of razer or alienware anywhere in the OP. this is relevant information that you neglected to mention that would further legitimize your team.
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On July 14 2013 14:08 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:01 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 13:35 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? absolutely my sentiments. i can't easily follow a team that has a long pedigree of players leaving because they presumably have no compensation since there isn't any visible sponsor. If our private investor/s wish to not be known, why should I inform everyone of who they are? As stated by Nano, the players will be equipped with gear by Razer and Alienware. Any further information would be like biting the hand that feeds you... there was no mention of razer or alienware anywhere in the OP. this is relevant information that you neglected to mention that would further legitimize your team.
Okay, I apologize for not mentioning that earlier. I didn't think it relevant considering we are not officially sponsored by either organization. I have added a paragraph to the OP under the player roster stating this, "The players will be equipped with gear from Razer and Alienware as long as they are with us. We however are not "sponsored" by either company. We do have some behind the scenes investments coming in that I cannot discuss as the investor/s would like to remain anonymous. However, myself and the rest of the management team will do whatever we need to do to support our players even if it has to come out of our own pockets."
I hope this clears the air and we can move on from this discussion now. We look forward to you hopefully supporting the team in our endeavor to make a name for ourselves in the SC2 scene.
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On July 14 2013 14:08 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:01 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 13:35 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? absolutely my sentiments. i can't easily follow a team that has a long pedigree of players leaving because they presumably have no compensation since there isn't any visible sponsor. If our private investor/s wish to not be known, why should I inform everyone of who they are? As stated by Nano, the players will be equipped with gear by Razer and Alienware. Any further information would be like biting the hand that feeds you... there was no mention of razer or alienware anywhere in the OP. this is relevant information that you neglected to mention that would further legitimize your team.
Ok seriously, I think you are taking this way too far. First off, they can announce their team without having to divulge every personal detail behind it. Why would you attack them for that? Since when do you need to know how a team operates to follow or enjoy them? They are not saying they can compete with A class teams, they are simply announcing the reformation of team smi. If you were involved with SC/BW you would of known who they were, instead of attacking them.
Lastly, are you seriously upset they didnt announce they use razer mice and alienware computers? You need a team to announce what computer their players play on in order for you to follow them? I think you are nitpicking to the absolute extreme, and your posts are just getting silly now.
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On July 14 2013 14:22 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:08 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 14:01 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 13:35 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? absolutely my sentiments. i can't easily follow a team that has a long pedigree of players leaving because they presumably have no compensation since there isn't any visible sponsor. If our private investor/s wish to not be known, why should I inform everyone of who they are? As stated by Nano, the players will be equipped with gear by Razer and Alienware. Any further information would be like biting the hand that feeds you... there was no mention of razer or alienware anywhere in the OP. this is relevant information that you neglected to mention that would further legitimize your team. Ok seriously, I think you are taking this way too far. First off, they can announce their team without having to divulge every personal detail behind it. Why would you attack them for that? Since when do you need to know how a team operates to follow or enjoy them? They are not saying they can compete with A class teams, they are simply announcing the reformation of team smi. If you were involved with SC/BW you would of known who they were, instead of attacking them. Lastly, are you seriously upset they didnt announce they use razer mice and alienware computers? You need a team to announce what computer their players play on in order for you to follow them? I think you are nitpicking to the absolute extreme, and your posts are just getting silly now.
I'm not attacking anyone, I am simply inquiring about what the community is being asked to support. We all remember Eclypsia and the damage they caused to the scene. If the players are being provided with gear, that is a gesture that I support, however no such mention of that fact was even made until we had to dig it up.
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That's a pretty good roster :D!! Good luck new sMi!!!
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hell yea jonsnow ya sick cunt
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On July 14 2013 14:29 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:22 eXigent. wrote:On July 14 2013 14:08 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 14:01 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 13:35 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? absolutely my sentiments. i can't easily follow a team that has a long pedigree of players leaving because they presumably have no compensation since there isn't any visible sponsor. If our private investor/s wish to not be known, why should I inform everyone of who they are? As stated by Nano, the players will be equipped with gear by Razer and Alienware. Any further information would be like biting the hand that feeds you... there was no mention of razer or alienware anywhere in the OP. this is relevant information that you neglected to mention that would further legitimize your team. Ok seriously, I think you are taking this way too far. First off, they can announce their team without having to divulge every personal detail behind it. Why would you attack them for that? Since when do you need to know how a team operates to follow or enjoy them? They are not saying they can compete with A class teams, they are simply announcing the reformation of team smi. If you were involved with SC/BW you would of known who they were, instead of attacking them. Lastly, are you seriously upset they didnt announce they use razer mice and alienware computers? You need a team to announce what computer their players play on in order for you to follow them? I think you are nitpicking to the absolute extreme, and your posts are just getting silly now. I'm not attacking anyone, I am simply inquiring about what the community is being asked to support. We all remember Eclypsia and the damage they caused to the scene. If the players are being provided with gear, that is a gesture that I support, however no such mention of that fact was even made until we had to dig it up.
The big difference was that eclypsia was attempting to compete at the highest level, with top players who were previously salaried on teams before joining. Smi is simply announcing they made a team, and that they have a means to pay their currently not very known players. Players that I assume have not been paid in the past to play.
Whatever happened to people becoming friends, and forming a team with the notion of making it someday down the line? Why does every team have to announce sponsors and gear just to get started? If the players are happy, and they all agree with what smi is providing, then I don't feel the need for them to inform you or anyone outside the team of its inner workings.
Either watch them play, or don't.
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Jon Snow is really fucking good at this game.
Good luck to you guys.
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sMi! I've missed you! gl hf
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On July 14 2013 14:22 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:08 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 14:01 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 13:35 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? absolutely my sentiments. i can't easily follow a team that has a long pedigree of players leaving because they presumably have no compensation since there isn't any visible sponsor. If our private investor/s wish to not be known, why should I inform everyone of who they are? As stated by Nano, the players will be equipped with gear by Razer and Alienware. Any further information would be like biting the hand that feeds you... there was no mention of razer or alienware anywhere in the OP. this is relevant information that you neglected to mention that would further legitimize your team. Ok seriously, I think you are taking this way too far. First off, they can announce their team without having to divulge every personal detail behind it. Why would you attack them for that? Since when do you need to know how a team operates to follow or enjoy them? They are not saying they can compete with A class teams, they are simply announcing the reformation of team smi. If you were involved with SC/BW you would of known who they were, instead of attacking them. Lastly, are you seriously upset they didnt announce they use razer mice and alienware computers? You need a team to announce what computer their players play on in order for you to follow them? I think you are nitpicking to the absolute extreme, and your posts are just getting silly now.
You're taking this too far sir. Nobody is saying that they can't announce their team. The issue was, why should we follow a team without any security.
As for the Alienware/Razer statement, I'm pretty sure that they are not sponsored by those organizations, thus they don't need to provide their information. I have a feeling that Terranist thought that they had a deal with them? Either way, having someone buy your team computers and peripherals doesn't legitimize anything in the slightest. They have systems to play on, which is great! but that's the most basic requirement needed to play a computer game.
Like I said, I'm not trying to bash sMi or anything. I hope all teams have their own level of success and contribute to eSports in their own way.
I just don't see any reason to look at them any differently now than I did before. They now have a private sponsor who can do whatever he wants. There is no "real" sense of security that viewers can look at as fans.
We don't have any outside reason to look at sMi and say "I hope this team succeeds over other teams", aside from supporting the individual players.
I look at this team introduction and I don't see anything but a few players who are on an amateur team trying to go pro. Kind of defeats the purpose of the post. The website also looks very amateur. Kind of like a "for fun" team website.
Any eSports sponsor who wants to keep hidden is shady anyways. I can't see any reason to look at this in a positive way.
Regardless, hope this venture is a beneficiary to eSports.
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Remember u guys from bw!
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On July 14 2013 14:48 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:29 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 14:22 eXigent. wrote:On July 14 2013 14:08 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 14:01 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 13:35 Terranist wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? absolutely my sentiments. i can't easily follow a team that has a long pedigree of players leaving because they presumably have no compensation since there isn't any visible sponsor. If our private investor/s wish to not be known, why should I inform everyone of who they are? As stated by Nano, the players will be equipped with gear by Razer and Alienware. Any further information would be like biting the hand that feeds you... there was no mention of razer or alienware anywhere in the OP. this is relevant information that you neglected to mention that would further legitimize your team. Ok seriously, I think you are taking this way too far. First off, they can announce their team without having to divulge every personal detail behind it. Why would you attack them for that? Since when do you need to know how a team operates to follow or enjoy them? They are not saying they can compete with A class teams, they are simply announcing the reformation of team smi. If you were involved with SC/BW you would of known who they were, instead of attacking them. Lastly, are you seriously upset they didnt announce they use razer mice and alienware computers? You need a team to announce what computer their players play on in order for you to follow them? I think you are nitpicking to the absolute extreme, and your posts are just getting silly now. I'm not attacking anyone, I am simply inquiring about what the community is being asked to support. We all remember Eclypsia and the damage they caused to the scene. If the players are being provided with gear, that is a gesture that I support, however no such mention of that fact was even made until we had to dig it up. The big difference was that eclypsia was attempting to compete at the highest level, with top players who were previously salaried on teams before joining. Smi is simply announcing they made a team, and that they have a means to pay their currently not very known players. Players that I assume have not been paid in the past to play. Whatever happened to people becoming friends, and forming a team with the notion of making it someday down the line? Why does every team have to announce sponsors and gear just to get started? If the players are happy, and they all agree with what smi is providing, then I don't feel the need for them to inform you or anyone outside the team of its inner workings. Either watch them play, or don't.
I only raise the question because of the history of players leaving and no clear financial support is a big red flag if they want lasting support of some fans, especially when the players above are represented as having contracts or gear benefits now. If they want that information to remain private, that's totally fine too.
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Hey, just curious, what does 'sMi' stand for?
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This is amazing! So awesome to know that sMi. is coming back alive from its glory BroodWar days.
sMi.Batman here ^^
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Really glad this team is legit because OneTrickPony, Drunkenboi, and Nanocloud are awesome people.
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I don't understand all the scrutiny here. I think it's good for any team to present itself to the public. And I've had nothing but positive experiences with sMi in the past. I'm sure it's changed a lot since then, but it's nice to see DirtyBirD is still around!
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Great another team with no name players I shit on when I ladder all the time.
User was banned for this post.
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Would have loved a symbol next to names to signify what race they play.
But i'm optimistic and will definitely look forward to watching you guys (hopefully) kick ass.
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On July 14 2013 15:11 ninazerg wrote:
Hey, just curious, what does 'sMi' stand for?
LOL THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED
NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER
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On July 14 2013 17:00 KawaiiRice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 15:11 ninazerg wrote:
Hey, just curious, what does 'sMi' stand for? LOL THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER
smooth motherfuckers inc? wouldn't be a terrible backronym maybe
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On July 14 2013 16:56 kytten wrote:Would have loved a symbol next to names to signify what race they play. But i'm optimistic and will definitely look forward to watching you guys (hopefully) kick ass.
haha great question regarding race. If you visit this page http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_sMi
you will see the breakdown of the players country and race. We updated it the other day, so i'm not sure if the updates have gone through but if you follow that page it should update shortly!
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Why do random people online feel entitled to know everything about a privately run organization?
Anyways, GL with the team. Nice to see the NA scene developing. Will definitely be following this team in the future.
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can u plz get avilo on the team, he is a very good na terran??
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On July 14 2013 09:33 suicideyear wrote:
speaking of old BW clans does ToT) or AFM still exist?
No.
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On July 14 2013 17:00 KawaiiRice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 15:11 ninazerg wrote:
Hey, just curious, what does 'sMi' stand for? LOL THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER
swiss market index!
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jimrising and jonsnow are both strooong zergs :pp
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Why would your sponsors want to be private? isnt the whole point of sponsorship publicity for them? ;o
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On July 14 2013 21:07 prOxySC2 wrote:
Why would your sponsors want to be private? isnt the whole point of sponsorship publicity for them? ;o
AZUBU 2.0
j/k j/k
Looks nice. I know most of these players, hopefully being on sMi now will help them reach their potential. ^^ Good luck to all the parties involved.
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'sMi team! No 'sMine!
Seriously though, good luck. 
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JonSnow's name is Jarod George? That's totally my first and middle name :O
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On July 14 2013 15:11 ninazerg wrote:
Hey, just curious, what does 'sMi' stand for?
It really stands for anything you want it to stand for, it's been like this since brood war days and we like to leave it to each individual's own imagination. Hoping to have a good showing in future tournaments and leagues! Gogogo sMi~!
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Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'.
Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all.
Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!?
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On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!?
Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments.
Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden.
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Best of luck in your endeavours. Would like more team names to prop up during tournaments and leagues. Definitly not an easy road given the established and well organized teams that have an international outreach.
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On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden.
Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers.
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On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers.
Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it?
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anyone know if listal (pad) still around ?
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On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it?
How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched.
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On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched.
Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down.
If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all.
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Good luck! Good to see good community teams getting more active.
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On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it?
that's a really good question but you're right when you say that the answer is mostly irrelevant. there's nothing pitchforkish about caring that if players are being represented as being contracted or compensated, then they are actually getting something tangible in return.
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So awesome to see another NA team give it a shot. glhf!
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On July 14 2013 21:07 prOxySC2 wrote:
Why would your sponsors want to be private? isnt the whole point of sponsorship publicity for them? ;o
No not really. The sponsor may be a former gamer who just wants to support esports or simply a friend helping out.
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Hmm unless I see you guys in GSTL I'm kind of skeptical.
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On July 15 2013 02:02 lolcamel wrote:
Hmm unless I see you guys in GSTL I'm kind of skeptical.
Skeptical of what, exactly, mr 2-post account made today?
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On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all.
Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business
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Welcome back guys.
JimRising, OneTrickPony and JonSnow are all pretty good from what I've seen. Haven't seen the others play before.
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On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business
So what are these implications?
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Loving the reception from a lot of you older school people and new school SC2 people. It feels good to be back. 
So much talk about our private investor.... -_-
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nanocloud wont be playing? he is like really good. he got to gm MMR going like 19-1. and wasnt he like top 16 gm for a little while
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On July 15 2013 02:34 PXEnTei wrote:
nanocloud wont be playing? he is like really good. he got to gm MMR going like 19-1. and wasnt he like top 16 gm for a little while
He won't be playing that much for the time being as he will be focused on his studies.
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On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications?
You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily.
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On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily.
No I'm just curious.
And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic.
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I always thought JonSnow was someones smurf
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On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 22:14 Mallidon wrote:Reading a couple of the replies in this thread (the ones almost reaching for pitchforks already) is amusing. It's like 'How dare you make a thread about your team and then tell us your sponsors are private, get the thumbscrews out... Cannot support this until we know everything....WHAT'S THEIR SHOE SIZE?!?!?!?'. Yeah... No, calm down really. There is any one of 100 reasons why people sponsoring a team don't want to reveal themselves, and guess what... most of them aint shady at all. Anyway, on topic, another SC2 team! Good luck, and can't wait to see some of your players in tourneys, they better be good so get practising!? Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments. Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic.
No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out.
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On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:04 Shinta) wrote:
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Read through the replies and couldn't really find any pickfork-wards comments.
Just curious as to what reasons you consider valid as to why a sponsor would want to be hidden. Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out.
I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows.
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On July 15 2013 04:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 14 2013 23:15 Cokefreak wrote:
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Not everyone wants to be publicly associated with a bunch of gamers. Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out. I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows.
He didn't imply that he had any extra knowledge. He just called out the few people in here trying to act as authorities on sports team sponsorships when they clearly have no clue what they are saying. Anyways, this is pretty off topic and derailing their thread.
Again, GL to the team and it's players.
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On July 14 2013 23:20 FocKer wrote:
anyone know if listal (pad) still around ?
I saw him playing on NrG a few years ago, I think he went to an MLG.
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Seems like a new and high potential team! Best of luck to everyone involved (especially that qt jimrising)
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hell yeah good to see my family back lots a love ^^
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heya rei ^^ long time no see =)
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The more big teams, the better, happy to see growth
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I won't be on much, but always be there in spirit!
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zomg it's gladstone and suppy
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On July 15 2013 06:15 Superiorwolf wrote:
sMi!
Thank you for the support suppy <3
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Yay, hope you guys do well! BW 4 life yo
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On July 15 2013 04:23 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 23:20 FocKer wrote:
anyone know if listal (pad) still around ? I saw him playing on NrG a few years ago, I think he went to an MLG.
The first thing I thought of when seeing this title is to see if Pad joined up :p
But I have no idea what he's doing now.
Anyway, it's great to see sMi back on the scene Hope you guys stay cool.
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On July 15 2013 04:05 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out. I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows. He didn't imply that he had any extra knowledge. He just called out the few people in here trying to act as authorities on sports team sponsorships when they clearly have no clue what they are saying. Anyways, this is pretty off topic and derailing their thread. Again, GL to the team and it's players.
He did imply that he had information about me in specific and my knowledge if business. It was an unnecessary, condescending post that didn't solve anything.
Especially when he, apparently, doesn't even understand the nature of my posts (which you apparently don't either).
I don't know why you guys throw knives and raise such strong opinions against posters like me without even understanding what my posts are saying/asking.
Also, if you, or anyone want to disagree with my opinion that's fine, but just lashing out with a meaningless shut down of a statement neither implies self wisdom not does it make my statements less valid. I know what I know, and other people know what they know. Either share what you know or don't.
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Best of luck sMi, your lineup looks sick! Keep posting content, don't fall off like every other NA team.
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On July 15 2013 07:39 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:05 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 04:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:
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How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out. I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows. He didn't imply that he had any extra knowledge. He just called out the few people in here trying to act as authorities on sports team sponsorships when they clearly have no clue what they are saying. Anyways, this is pretty off topic and derailing their thread. Again, GL to the team and it's players. He did imply that he had information about me in specific and my knowledge if business. It was an unnecessary, condescending post that didn't solve anything. Especially when he, apparently, doesn't even understand the nature of my posts (which you apparently don't either). I don't know why you guys throw knives and raise such strong opinions against posters like me without even understanding what my posts are saying/asking. Also, if you, or anyone want to disagree with my opinion that's fine, but just lashing out with a meaningless shut down of a statement neither implies self wisdom not does it make my statements less valid. I know what I know, and other people know what they know. Either share what you know or don't.
What? Your post itself suggests that you don't understand what you're talking about. The first sentence, "Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business" is wrong. Then you go and contradict yourself within this very post. First you say that he implies he has extra information and then a few sentences later you say his statement doesn't imply self wisdom? I honestly can't glean anything meaningful from either of your posts except that you want information that you aren't entitled to. There are perfectly good reasons why they would keep their sponsor private. Maybe the sponsor is just a personal friend and the company has nothing to gain from exposure in the eSports scene. Why would you tie yourself to an entity with nothing to gain but with possible repercussions? Maybe the details of the sponsorship aren't completely finalized and they don't want to jump the gun? Like Cokefreak said, maybe sponsorship of the team is just a hobby for whomever it is and they don't care for the minimal amounts of ROI or internet popularity. Who knows, it's not our place to know or care. I mean EG sponsors Alliance and while it's not exactly a heavily guarded secret, they don't go around touting that fact for marketing purposes. No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself.
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Just going to say NooKS approved for sMi and leave it at your own interpretation
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I interpret that as NooKS with a winking face and thumbs up, approving sMi's application to be a team.
You shouldn't leave these things to imagination ;_;
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On July 15 2013 08:12 NrG.Bamboo wrote:
I interpret that as NooKS with a winking face and thumbs up, approving sMi's application to be a team.
You shouldn't leave these things to imagination ;_;
Nope far from it. Was on sMi briefly in Bw with that id Just bringing that old alias out of the closet with fear :O
I'm actually in the works with someone on something at the moment, but I'm not going to derail this thread with talks of that.
DirtyBird and NewB gets 
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On July 15 2013 07:55 SupLilSon wrote:
No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself.
Sorry but you still don't seem to understand. The discussion between me, Shinta and Cokefreak was purely theoretical and had nothing to with this team.
Must be other posters you are thinking of.
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On July 15 2013 08:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:55 SupLilSon wrote:
No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself. Sorry but you still don't seem to understand. The discussion between me, Shinta and Cokefreak was purely theoretical and had nothing to with this team. Must be other posters you are thinking of.
Maybe you should reread the thread, but w/e I'm done arguing with you guys. It's not my team or my place to argue for/against them.
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On July 15 2013 07:55 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 15 2013 04:05 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 04:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:
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Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down.
If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out. I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows. He didn't imply that he had any extra knowledge. He just called out the few people in here trying to act as authorities on sports team sponsorships when they clearly have no clue what they are saying. Anyways, this is pretty off topic and derailing their thread. Again, GL to the team and it's players. He did imply that he had information about me in specific and my knowledge if business. It was an unnecessary, condescending post that didn't solve anything. Especially when he, apparently, doesn't even understand the nature of my posts (which you apparently don't either). I don't know why you guys throw knives and raise such strong opinions against posters like me without even understanding what my posts are saying/asking. Also, if you, or anyone want to disagree with my opinion that's fine, but just lashing out with a meaningless shut down of a statement neither implies self wisdom not does it make my statements less valid. I know what I know, and other people know what they know. Either share what you know or don't. What? Your post itself suggests that you don't understand what you're talking about. The first sentence, "Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business" is wrong. Then you go and contradict yourself within this very post. First you say that he implies he has extra information and then a few sentences later you say his statement doesn't imply self wisdom? I honestly can't glean anything meaningful from either of your posts except that you want information that you aren't entitled to. There are perfectly good reasons why they would keep their sponsor private. Maybe the sponsor is just a personal friend and the company has nothing to gain from exposure in the eSports scene. Why would you tie yourself to an entity with nothing to gain but with possible repercussions? Maybe the details of the sponsorship aren't completely finalized and they don't want to jump the gun? Like Cokefreak said, maybe sponsorship of the team is just a hobby for whomever it is and they don't care for the minimal amounts of ROI or internet popularity. Who knows, it's not our place to know or care. I mean EG sponsors Alliance and while it's not exactly a heavily guarded secret, they don't go around touting that fact for marketing purposes. No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself.
I'm sorry but just about everything you said is incorrect and/or misinterpreted. Most of your sentences contradict themselves yet you try to use them against me.
Your post doesn't even give me anything to argue against. Please read more carefully and write up a better argument if you plan on seriously challenging a statement.
The only thing you got right was that I was asking for information because that information would lead to my becoming a fan. Gaining fans and increasing their exposure was the initial intent of the post after all, so the questions were acceptable. Nobody outside from the organization was asked anything, so any and all hate comments against a simple question are just garbage.
I never demanded information, but even after you attempted to defend secrecy, it's still clear that none of those create a valid defense to my saying that it doesn't make sense to not release the information.
Sure, there are reasons for withholding the information, but it doesn't make much sense.
And my posts never derailed the topic, because my questions were directed at the OP.
I've already stated though that its totally fine to not expose the information. It just won't catch my interest and I won't follow sMi. It's not a big deal like any of you are making it out to be.
I also don't take back the best wishes I granted the team in my previous posts.
Wish all the best for y'all.
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On July 14 2013 17:00 KawaiiRice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 15:11 ninazerg wrote:
Hey, just curious, what does 'sMi' stand for? LOL THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER
I may have asked it on purpose. ![[image loading]](http://defiler.ru/chat/smiles-visible/troll.png)
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On July 15 2013 11:24 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:55 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 07:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 15 2013 04:05 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 04:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:
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Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out. I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows. He didn't imply that he had any extra knowledge. He just called out the few people in here trying to act as authorities on sports team sponsorships when they clearly have no clue what they are saying. Anyways, this is pretty off topic and derailing their thread. Again, GL to the team and it's players. He did imply that he had information about me in specific and my knowledge if business. It was an unnecessary, condescending post that didn't solve anything. Especially when he, apparently, doesn't even understand the nature of my posts (which you apparently don't either). I don't know why you guys throw knives and raise such strong opinions against posters like me without even understanding what my posts are saying/asking. Also, if you, or anyone want to disagree with my opinion that's fine, but just lashing out with a meaningless shut down of a statement neither implies self wisdom not does it make my statements less valid. I know what I know, and other people know what they know. Either share what you know or don't. What? Your post itself suggests that you don't understand what you're talking about. The first sentence, "Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business" is wrong. Then you go and contradict yourself within this very post. First you say that he implies he has extra information and then a few sentences later you say his statement doesn't imply self wisdom? I honestly can't glean anything meaningful from either of your posts except that you want information that you aren't entitled to. There are perfectly good reasons why they would keep their sponsor private. Maybe the sponsor is just a personal friend and the company has nothing to gain from exposure in the eSports scene. Why would you tie yourself to an entity with nothing to gain but with possible repercussions? Maybe the details of the sponsorship aren't completely finalized and they don't want to jump the gun? Like Cokefreak said, maybe sponsorship of the team is just a hobby for whomever it is and they don't care for the minimal amounts of ROI or internet popularity. Who knows, it's not our place to know or care. I mean EG sponsors Alliance and while it's not exactly a heavily guarded secret, they don't go around touting that fact for marketing purposes. No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself. I'm sorry but just about everything you said is incorrect and/or misinterpreted. Most of your sentences contradict themselves yet you try to use them against me. Your post doesn't even give me anything to argue against. Please read more carefully and write up a better argument if you plan on seriously challenging a statement. The only thing you got right was that I was asking for information because that information would lead to my becoming a fan. Gaining fans and increasing their exposure was the initial intent of the post after all, so the questions were acceptable. Nobody outside from the organization was asked anything, so any and all hate comments against a simple question are just garbage. I never demanded information, but even after you attempted to defend secrecy, it's still clear that none of those create a valid defense to my saying that it doesn't make sense to not release the information. Sure, there are reasons for withholding the information, but it doesn't make much sense. And my posts never derailed the topic, because my questions were directed at the OP. I've already stated though that its totally fine to not expose the information. It just won't catch my interest and I won't follow sMi. It's not a big deal like any of you are making it out to be. I also don't take back the best wishes I granted the team in my previous posts. Wish all the best for y'all.
Again, I can barely decipher what you wrote... -.-
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Bisutopia19205 Posts
sMi is actually supposed to be read backwards. As in iMs. They are secretly incredible miracle invading American Servers.
but seriously, welcome guys.
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On July 15 2013 07:34 NrG.Bamboo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:23 GoShox wrote:On July 14 2013 23:20 FocKer wrote:
anyone know if listal (pad) still around ? I saw him playing on NrG a few years ago, I think he went to an MLG. The first thing I thought of when seeing this title is to see if Pad joined up :p But I have no idea what he's doing now. Anyway, it's great to see sMi back on the scene Hope you guys stay cool.
I think Pad is still on NrG as far as SC2 goes, or was last time I talked to him (right around the time HotS came out) so not sure if he's NrG still or even active.
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On July 15 2013 12:36 BisuDagger wrote:
sMi is actually supposed to be read backwards. As in iMs. They are secretly incredible miracle invading American Servers.
but seriously, welcome guys.
A secretly miracle incredible, they are.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WnW8cYY.png) Famous Words from LG-IM.Yoda
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On July 15 2013 12:37 fAnTaCy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:34 NrG.Bamboo wrote:On July 15 2013 04:23 GoShox wrote:On July 14 2013 23:20 FocKer wrote:
anyone know if listal (pad) still around ? I saw him playing on NrG a few years ago, I think he went to an MLG. The first thing I thought of when seeing this title is to see if Pad joined up :p But I have no idea what he's doing now. Anyway, it's great to see sMi back on the scene Hope you guys stay cool. I think Pad is still on NrG as far as SC2 goes, or was last time I talked to him (right around the time HotS came out) so not sure if he's NrG still or even active.
Pad is in sMi. He hasn't been active this season but his ID is iampad.
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On July 15 2013 12:30 Neeblet wrote:
gogo sMi!
Thank you Neeb! Good luck in WCS !
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On July 15 2013 19:25 Pandemona wrote:Interesting the amount of management you have, not sure what the situation is for a gaming team, but it seems most are run on low budgets and having so many management and players seems like you might be wasting a bit of money? Just a thought, good luck none the less, some nice NA players you have there i have heard of so they must be half decent, nice sized squad, so the best of luck
The starters listed there aren't the only players on the team and for the most part the management isn't taking any money for themselves.
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I always thought sMi was "Sex Machines" -- or am I thinking of another bw team?? I know one team was named that.
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A picture of your founder drinking. Surely a top notch management team.
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On July 15 2013 23:02 SnowfaLL wrote:
I always thought sMi was "Sex Machines" -- or am I thinking of another bw team?? I know one team was named that.
If that's what you called us then sure... We've always kept our name open to individual interpretation. We used to have a thread, back in the BW days, where people would list their own version of what sMi meant. There were some pretty clever ones.
On July 15 2013 23:17 Butterednuts wrote:A picture of your founder drinking. Surely a top notch management team.
Gotta live the high life! lol As I said, we are pretty laid back, but serious when we need to be. We have fun, but make sure that we do what we need to do.
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On July 14 2013 13:53 NanoClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? Our gear is from alienware and razer. This is all I can say. Our sponsor would like to be private. We agreed to these terms set out by the sponsor. The players and managers know the sponsor and the contracts further dismay any concerns any of us had!
EG's 2nd smurf confirmed.
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lol 8 page worth of comments someone finally noticed
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On July 14 2013 09:04 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Saddles be where?!?!?
You aren't saddling us with saddles...
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sMi reunion class of 04 .....
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So many managers^.^
Good luck and hope to see you do well in future tournaments.
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I miss SMI LUCKY!
Love sMi, I used to cast a lot you guys games :D
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Is sMiSonic and NrSSonic same person? Nonetheless best of luck to sMi and its players.
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On July 17 2013 10:22 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Is sMiSonic and NrSSonic same person? Nonetheless best of luck to sMi and its players.
Yup he is.
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i think dirtybird forgot but our team channel on NA is Team sMi
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I'm totally stoned in that picture you chose
This is gonna be fun, glad to have an active team of sexy bastards together again!
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So... what's the acronym stand for?
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i am a sponsored professional poster and i didnt even know it huzzah
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gj guys
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On July 15 2013 23:30 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:53 NanoClouD wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 DirtyBirD wrote:On July 14 2013 09:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
hope you guys still do CAPS LOCK FRIDAY haha oh the good ol' days. On July 14 2013 09:12 symetrik wrote:
Nothing about the sponsorships/partners or salaries for players? At the moment we'd like to keep most of that private, especially the salaries/deals. It would be inappropriate to discuss things like that here. Even still, nothing about your partner/s? Apparently you're going off of partners and not sponsors right now right? Shouldn't people know about who powers sMi before they can decide to support them or not? Sure, people can like your players as individual gamers, and it's good to give credit to your staff, but why should people like your team? What if your partner decides to stop partnering with you or says "oops, my pocket ran out of cash"? Ofc I hope your team is awesome, and I hope that SC2 can flourish and that a bunch of teams can rise to compete at the top level, but what's the point of supporting a team that won't even reveal who or how the team is being powered? Our gear is from alienware and razer. This is all I can say. Our sponsor would like to be private. We agreed to these terms set out by the sponsor. The players and managers know the sponsor and the contracts further dismay any concerns any of us had! EG's 2nd smurf confirmed.
3rd smurf if my intuition about Cloud 9 is correct.
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that OP looks straight out of a 13 yr old girls facebook. I cant take you seriously because of it lol.
Also, 9 players, 6 managers? O.o dafuq?
I get that you guys are an old-school name so you probably get a bye, but this is more of a clan then a team.
Good luck though
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On July 20 2013 17:45 Capped wrote:that OP looks straight out of a 13 yr old girls facebook. I cant take you seriously because of it lol. Also, 9 players, 6 managers? O.o dafuq? I get that you guys are an old-school name so you probably get a bye, but this is more of a clan then a team. Good luck though
Just because its labeled as a manager, doesn't mean you interpret it that way. If sMi is looking to push forward as a LLC or a company, you will have different divisions such as Marketing, player management, consultants, operations manager, etc...
You need to look at it from a business perspective not a naive one.
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Congrats happy for you all you guys. Especially my good friend Sonic who has shown time and time again his great attitude and massive potential. Hope you continue to excel and compete worldwide.
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On July 21 2013 01:08 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 17:45 Capped wrote:that OP looks straight out of a 13 yr old girls facebook. I cant take you seriously because of it lol. Also, 9 players, 6 managers? O.o dafuq? I get that you guys are an old-school name so you probably get a bye, but this is more of a clan then a team. Good luck though Just because its labeled as a manager, doesn't mean you interpret it that way. If sMi is looking to push forward as a LLC or a company, you will have different divisions such as Marketing, player management, consultants, operations manager, etc... You need to look at it from a business perspective not a naive one.
I've worked for Qualcomm-backed startups with fewer management positions. Perhaps yours is the naive perspective.
Good luck dudes! All the best.
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On July 21 2013 03:51 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:08 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On July 20 2013 17:45 Capped wrote:that OP looks straight out of a 13 yr old girls facebook. I cant take you seriously because of it lol. Also, 9 players, 6 managers? O.o dafuq? I get that you guys are an old-school name so you probably get a bye, but this is more of a clan then a team. Good luck though Just because its labeled as a manager, doesn't mean you interpret it that way. If sMi is looking to push forward as a LLC or a company, you will have different divisions such as Marketing, player management, consultants, operations manager, etc... You need to look at it from a business perspective not a naive one. I've worked for Qualcomm-backed startups with fewer management positions. Perhaps yours is the naive perspective. Good luck dudes! All the best.
So you're trying to compare/contrast a Wireless technology startup to a gaming organization. There is a huge difference between that. Thanks for your input.
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finally filling high level players. gl!
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On July 21 2013 04:39 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 03:51 IPA wrote:On July 21 2013 01:08 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On July 20 2013 17:45 Capped wrote:that OP looks straight out of a 13 yr old girls facebook. I cant take you seriously because of it lol. Also, 9 players, 6 managers? O.o dafuq? I get that you guys are an old-school name so you probably get a bye, but this is more of a clan then a team. Good luck though Just because its labeled as a manager, doesn't mean you interpret it that way. If sMi is looking to push forward as a LLC or a company, you will have different divisions such as Marketing, player management, consultants, operations manager, etc... You need to look at it from a business perspective not a naive one. I've worked for Qualcomm-backed startups with fewer management positions. Perhaps yours is the naive perspective. Good luck dudes! All the best. So you're trying to compare/contrast a Wireless technology startup to a gaming organization. There is a huge difference between that. Thanks for your input.
Yes there is. I was comparing a $2-3MM start-up to a mid-level eSports team (that I like). There is indeed a huge difference between these two endeavors. And thus the comment regarding that much management.
You're welcome!
Again, good luck dudes.
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wow these guys seem pretty sexy
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Go sMi :D
CW tonight, I will be streaming CW on twitch.tv/vGxAthenA
5PM cen time!
Everyone come watch as sMi takes the field for the second time this week in a league CW!
-sMi Management
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On July 21 2013 16:28 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 04:39 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On July 21 2013 03:51 IPA wrote:On July 21 2013 01:08 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On July 20 2013 17:45 Capped wrote:that OP looks straight out of a 13 yr old girls facebook. I cant take you seriously because of it lol. Also, 9 players, 6 managers? O.o dafuq? I get that you guys are an old-school name so you probably get a bye, but this is more of a clan then a team. Good luck though Just because its labeled as a manager, doesn't mean you interpret it that way. If sMi is looking to push forward as a LLC or a company, you will have different divisions such as Marketing, player management, consultants, operations manager, etc... You need to look at it from a business perspective not a naive one. I've worked for Qualcomm-backed startups with fewer management positions. Perhaps yours is the naive perspective. Good luck dudes! All the best. So you're trying to compare/contrast a Wireless technology startup to a gaming organization. There is a huge difference between that. Thanks for your input. Yes there is. I was comparing a $2-3MM start-up to a mid-level eSports team (that I like). There is indeed a huge difference between these two endeavors. And thus the comment regarding that much management. You're welcome! Again, good luck dudes.
The two founders of the team are very inactive and not that involved with the team that much other than when I need to consult them for some things or when they show some support for the team.
We really only have two coaches and two managers (myself included), although one of the coaches does help with some management material. There are a number of things that need to be divided between us and that's why the management team looks that way. Furthermore, we don't just have the players listed in the OP. There are other players who are not on the starting roster that require management as well.
On July 22 2013 06:02 PeterDLai wrote:
Should pick up sMix
lol I'm down with that.
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exactly, I coach sword fighting, nanocloud coaches starcraft, we all have different roles like how he help players dominates in game, and I help players dominates outside of game.
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On July 31 2013 04:59 RemarK wrote:
RIP
they disbanded?
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On July 31 2013 05:17 FXOkaRmy wrote:
RIP in pieces
What happened?
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I have heard personally confirmed facts from unconfirmed sources that SMI and Day9 are dead
Rip
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On July 31 2013 05:17 FXOkaRmy wrote:
RIP in pieces
High five kaRmy!
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On July 31 2013 05:37 Team .SCA wrote:High five kaRmy!
xD =D
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The real question is whether sMi or AZUBU is more fucked
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Edited because I shouldn't commenting on this. None of my business. Sorry.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
AZUBU's attempt to flee to America has clearly been foiled.
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On July 31 2013 11:44 Fusilero wrote:
AZUBU's attempt to flee to America has clearly been foiled.
Don't you mean Clauf ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mJap40O.png)
(EDIT: This was a joke about AZUBU not sMi for future reference)
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On July 31 2013 11:35 rice_devOurer wrote:
what happened???
Since I'm not one of the participating players I'll leave it up to them if they want to divulge any first hand information, but the posts about breaking a part seem pretty confirmed at this point.
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We are still a team, we will not disband nor will we die. I'll make a statement explaining what has happened tomorrow night once I get home from work.
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Everything I heard about their arrangement seemed a bit too good to be true. Unfortunately it seems like that was the case :s
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Sounds really cool, hope you guys geet off to a good start. Some real ladder heroes on that roster in JimRising and JonSnow, others aren't familiar to me but I'm sure they will be! GL
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I don't know how this post came to exist, but okay. Don't remember posting anything else >_.
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